marquimvfs
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It's middle gen refresh will be called Xbox OptimusPrime
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Gravemind
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X2 and P. Series C would be good to have in the family room for a streaming box and for entertaining friends who come visit.
Wouldn't be surprised at all to see all 4 as an option in their next gen strategy.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
"help us find something that will stick to the wall please !
we have no fucking idea, what we are doing"
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
None of those. A cloud streaming Portal with a $10/month gamepass.
VAVA Mk2
Member
Would be hilarious if they released a gargantuan console made of metal in 2026 as a big "fuck you" to everyone.
bitbydeath
Member
Shouldn’t 4K, 60FPS be the low-end machine?
Jaguar Victory
Member
Would you rather have a PS6 or a XBOX PC2 with XBOX and PC launchers? I'd take the latter tbh..
CLW
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Hero of Spielberg
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My high school friend and I used to imagine absurd things like this we'd do if we became billionaires just to mess with people
HeisenbergFX4
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Yeah I dont like those labels he put on there
Gamerguy84
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ZehDon
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Well, except the C...
If they drop the subsidised console model, they could sell a million console units lifetime and still make money. That's basically what keeps their Surface line of hardware alive: it makes a small profit, so there's no reason to stop despite poor market penetration.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Shitass pet fu*kers. How do they keep expanding!?!My high school friend and I used to imagine absurd things like this we'd do if we became billionaires just to mess with people
Zuzu
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I'm kinda interested in a next generation Xbox but it really needs to meet the following conditions for me:
1. I need Microsoft to tell us what is going to happen with our digital libraries if they leave the hardware business completely one day.
2. It needs to be such a big leap forward in power that it's very likely to be better than the PS6 (assuming the next generation Xbox releases before the PS6). I'm ok with it costing more than a PS6 but it's got to be noticeably more powerful and capable. If it's unlikely to be significantly better than a PS6 then I might just wait and get the PS6 if I get another console.
3. Ideally, if they're going to make a profit on the hardware, then I would like it to open up to other online games' stores. I'm not rigid on this condition though. I might still buy it even if it's still a closed platform if the first two conditions are met.
1. I need Microsoft to tell us what is going to happen with our digital libraries if they leave the hardware business completely one day.
2. It needs to be such a big leap forward in power that it's very likely to be better than the PS6 (assuming the next generation Xbox releases before the PS6). I'm ok with it costing more than a PS6 but it's got to be noticeably more powerful and capable. If it's unlikely to be significantly better than a PS6 then I might just wait and get the PS6 if I get another console.
3. Ideally, if they're going to make a profit on the hardware, then I would like it to open up to other online games' stores. I'm not rigid on this condition though. I might still buy it even if it's still a closed platform if the first two conditions are met.
Team Andromeda
Member
Already starting saving for the next box. I bet it will come in at £750 for us Pal twats
Hero of Spielberg
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Yeah it’ll be eye watering in Australia too
lol I’ll probably buy it. I mostly just play backwards compatible games these days like ninja gaiden and metal gear anyway. I love my series X and use it for most of my entertainment needs.
My Xbox digital library is a “who’s who” of the greatest games ever created aside from a needed dose of Mario admittedly. Idk I guess I have low needs for a console now and it’s probably time I buy a computer.
My Xbox digital library is a “who’s who” of the greatest games ever created aside from a needed dose of Mario admittedly. Idk I guess I have low needs for a console now and it’s probably time I buy a computer.
SenkiDala
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That's not a middle gen refresh for me, but a new gen (they start 1 year earlier than Sony who will release the PS6 in 2027 possibly, a 7 years. gen is normal). That would be like the 360 being a year earlier than the PS3.
Curious to see that.
PS : they need to sort of their naming system.
Curious to see that.
PS : they need to sort of their naming system.
Team Andromeda
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Us poor Pal sods have always been shafted LOLYeah it’ll be eye watering in Australia too
The vp of next generation title was something they used to introduce Ronald. It's not an actual title.Do you have something from MS where they announced they closed down their hardware division?
Xbox Series X|S Architect Officially Named 'VP Of Next-Generation' At Microsoft
We love it when a plan comes togetherwww.purexbox.com
2024 has been the year that Microsoft has officially started talking about its next-generation console plans, and we now have some fresh news on who's helping build new hardware for Xbox. Jason Ronald, who was front and centre of designing and introducing Xbox Series X|S, has been named 'VP of Next-Generation' over at Microsoft.
Xbox's Next Console Will Feature The 'Largest Technical Leap Ever' In A Generation
Bold claim!
"We're also invested in the next generation roadmap. And what we're really focused on there is delivering the largest technical leap you will have ever seen in a hardware generation, which makes it better for players and better for creators and the visions that they're building."
Speaking with The Verge, Phil said that he's "very proud of the work that the hardware team is doing [...] into the future", and that includes "creating hardware that sells to gamers".
Here's what Phil had to say in November 2024:
Xbox handheld prototypes are already in the works, Phil Spencer confirms, but the actual device is still years away
"I love us building devices," says Phil Spencer
That's according to a new report from Bloomberg, which spoke to Spencer yesterday, reporter Jason Schreier says. The Microsoft Gaming CEO says that the "expectation is that we would do something" in the handheld hardware area, but the company is still figuring out exactly what that looks like. Prototypes are being worked on, and Spencer has advised the team to observe the existing market and ultimately bring its vision to life based on what it learns from that. With all that in mind, the device itself is expected to be years away at this point.
The company's focus for the time being is making the Xbox app a better experience on portable devices that already exist, as well as partnering with hardware creators to ensure the things they're making work well with Xbox's games, but Spencer still drops a tantalizing tease of what's to come. "Longer term, I love us building devices," Spencer told Bloomberg. "And I think our team could do some real innovative work, but we want to be informed by learning and what’s happening now."
Prototypes, years away, studies being done....
By all means cling to Sarah Bonds hopes and dreams but I'm afraid we are solidly in the FUD zone now.
scarlet0pimp
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Just got a PS5 pro but am going to be day for for the new Xbox for sure. I dont mind XBox releasing games on PS and PC. I have them all and game pass sub, my group of friends play on XBox mainly just prefer xbox interface and xbox live. Series S is also amazing to take to friends house for LANs so hope they do another small console.
Kvally
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So all you had to say was no. The only clinging going on here is you based on your opinion.The vp of next generation title was something they used to introduce Ronald. It's not an actual title.
Here's what Phil had to say in November 2024:
Xbox handheld prototypes are already in the works, Phil Spencer confirms, but the actual device is still years away
"I love us building devices," says Phil Spencerwww.gamesradar.com
That's according to a new report from Bloomberg, which spoke to Spencer yesterday, reporter Jason Schreier says. The Microsoft Gaming CEO says that the "expectation is that we would do something" in the handheld hardware area, but the company is still figuring out exactly what that looks like. Prototypes are being worked on, and Spencer has advised the team to observe the existing market and ultimately bring its vision to life based on what it learns from that. With all that in mind, the device itself is expected to be years away at this point.
The company's focus for the time being is making the Xbox app a better experience on portable devices that already exist, as well as partnering with hardware creators to ensure the things they're making work well with Xbox's games, but Spencer still drops a tantalizing tease of what's to come. "Longer term, I love us building devices," Spencer told Bloomberg. "And I think our team could do some real innovative work, but we want to be informed by learning and what’s happening now."
Prototypes, years away, studies being done....
By all means cling to Sarah Bonds hopes and dreams but I'm afraid we are solidly in the FUD zone now.
I have no need to hope or dream. I enjoy all my consoles and will continue to go where the games are. It’s truly a win win for me.
There's no indication Surface has made a profit recently they did have some small success in early years, but numbers were hidden in 2023 after their sales and revenue tanked.
Well, except the C...
If they drop the subsidised console model, they could sell a million console units lifetime and still make money. That's basically what keeps their Surface line of hardware alive: it makes a small profit, so there's no reason to stop despite poor market penetration.
"That's a pretty spectacular collapse in FY2023. (Note that the number for FY2024 in the chart above is a projection.)
Teasing those numbers out of Microsoft's financial reports was a bit of a challenge. The company stopped reporting actual Surface revenue numbers in FY22, instead choosing to disclose changes from the previous year's revenue in percentage terms. To make comparisons even murkier, the company in 2023 changed the "Surface revenue" line item to "Devices revenue growth," folding in revenue it receives from sales of keyboards, mice, and other peripherals."
Can Microsoft recover from the collapse of its Surface business?
After nearly a decade of steady growth, revenue from Microsoft's Surface devices plunged in 2023, and next year doesn't look much better. Fasten your seatbelts.
www.zdnet.com
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I guess it's rumor based, but certainly it makes sense for the surface team that already does hardware to continue on with next generation Xbox hardware if that ends up being an actual product that can be bought versus vaporware.
Rumor: Next-Gen Xbox Console Will Not Be Developed by the Same Designers
Some newly surfaced evidence suggests that Microsoft reassigned the task of designing the next-gen Xbox console to a different team.
gamerant.com
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I kinda wonder if you've got any chance of those things coming to pass. All, IMO, of course. but:
1.There's no way any manufacturer is saying "Hi, here's our new system. Now, here's what we do if we quit hardware." They just made the biggest commitment to hardware that any company will ever make - releasing hardware.
2. I think you need to buy a system for what it can do today, not for what it will compete with in 2/3 years time. It'd bet that it'd be cheaper for you to buy a new console every 3/4 years than to buy one that can outperform everything coming out in 2/3 years time.
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AyraSutoraifu
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Xbox Sumimasen
DeltaPolarBear
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You are assuming Xbox is doing the manufacturing. That is a big assumption. For all we know the machine is made by someone else and MS is offloading the risk.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Well, in that case they'd already have already quit hardware...?
DeltaPolarBear
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They haven't announce it yet.
Kazekage1981
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its going to be consoles, not just a standard box you put next to the tv. It will be handheld, standard box, perhaps VR? I think things are going to be a drastic change and shift
hououinkyouma00
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I'm very interested but more due to what it will be versus actually owning it. I just don't see much of a reason to own a Xbox while owning a PC outside of a small selection of OG Xbox and 360 games which ultimately hasn't been worth spending $100s on or holding on to a console for.
I actually really like the idea of it simply being a PC inside of a Xbox shell. My PC is a ITX build in a Fractal Terra which is 10.4 liters, the Series X I believe is 6.8? I can fit a 4090/5080 in there if I wanted to so you can easily get huge power out of a small footprint and I think it would be really cool to see Xbox basically go the OEM gaming PC route where despite being a PC functions like a console.
They've talked about having other launchers available, and if I can have a PC that boots into the Xbox interface and still has access to stuff like my digital 360 library I think I might buy one depending on the power available and price. I have a 5600x/4070S pc right now so obviously would need a reason to upgrade power wise.
Do I think they will do this? Probably not but it's what I would want out of a new Xbox device.
//DEVIL//
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Exactly. As long as Xbox games comes to Playstation at one point of their life, the Xbox is dead.
HeisenbergFX4
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Same could be said about the PS6 if PlayStation games keep coming to Steam
//DEVIL//
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There is a reason there is no growth in the PS5 compared to PS4 . ... or at least that big of a growth that Sony wants.
But in the case of Sony, you kinda have to wait at least a 1 year for the game to get ported to PC. so that keeps the PlayStation valuable for those that actually love Sony's first-party games ( who the fuck wants more horizon ? ) anyway.
the same can't be said about the Xbox. My PS5 Pro is basically an exclusive games machine. Got Stellar blade used, finished it, and sold it. Have a GT7, not on PC, Finished GOW: R and sold it before it hit the PC, and so on.
but buying an Xbox ? if you don't have a PC with the 2070s and above then yeah I guess could be worth it. otherwise, no Xbox is dead. and their sales figures show that.
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mayham2199
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I think the difference there is a console and PC are not the same. Hell I tried PC gaming and I couldn't stand it. Casual users don't want to deal with that. They just want plug and play which is what Xbox and PS offer but now one of them is going to have all the games while Xbox wont.
Just be clear Horizon 1 sold over 20+ million and 2 sold over 9+ million. You might not like it but clearly millions of people do and it's the most any Guerrila game has sold. People clearly want it more then they want more Killzone.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Totally agree with that but its also why I said Steam and not specifically PC gaming as I too know several that wont game on PC
Just will be interesting if Xbox does indeed pull off a PC based “console” that gives you the console like experience but can access Steam
And we dont know what line Sony will draw in the sand with future titles how long they wait to release on Steam
mayham2199
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I'm very interested to see if they can pull it off. I just know it's very hard to implement something like this with 3rd party software that will require updates pushed by Steam and still keeping it working with the Xbox UI. On top of that makes me wonder if Xbox is going to inadvertently open themselves up to people just pirating games on their consoles or hackers in their games.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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I'm hoping for similar. Given MS/Azure fincial success supporting things beyond just MS e.g. Linux support, we might just see an open console platform.
That shit brings modding along as well and we're talking good things.
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James Sawyer Ford
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No, the same logic does not follow
HeisenbergFX4
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Of course not to people like yourself
RetroGamingUK
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There's no indication Surface has made a profit recently they did have some small success in early years, but numbers were hidden in 2023 after their sales and revenue tanked.
"That's a pretty spectacular collapse in FY2023. (Note that the number for FY2024 in the chart above is a projection.)
Teasing those numbers out of Microsoft's financial reports was a bit of a challenge. The company stopped reporting actual Surface revenue numbers in FY22, instead choosing to disclose changes from the previous year's revenue in percentage terms. To make comparisons even murkier, the company in 2023 changed the "Surface revenue" line item to "Devices revenue growth," folding in revenue it receives from sales of keyboards, mice, and other peripherals."
Can Microsoft recover from the collapse of its Surface business?
After nearly a decade of steady growth, revenue from Microsoft's Surface devices plunged in 2023, and next year doesn't look much better. Fasten your seatbelts.
What’s gone wrong with Surface?
Topher
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Best we can hope for is a Windows UI than is tailored for gaming, I think. I doubt MS is going to embrace Linux in their consumer products.
James Sawyer Ford
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That use logic?
There’s hardly any PS games not on PC and yet the PS5 has 7% higher sales in the US than PS4 despite higher console prices and no GTA yet
But yeah playstation hw is doomed just like Xbox
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HeisenbergFX4
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What are you talking about being doomed?That use logic?
There’s hardly any PS games not on PC and yet the PS5 has 7% higher sales in the US than PS4 despite higher console prices and no GTA yet
But yeah playstation hw is doomed just like Xbox
And bringing sales back up, that must be your latest marching orders compared to your statement of
James Sawyer Ford
Member
What are you talking about being doomed?
And bringing sales back up, that must be your latest marching orders compared to your statement of
Are you following the conversation?
You just said PS6 could be dead (like Xbox) if PS games keep coming to steam, yet that’s already the case on PS5. There’s very few games not ported to PC. And yet PS5 is more successful than PS4 by most contextual metrics.
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//DEVIL//
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Why I m being quoted lol
James Sawyer Ford
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Just to show the conversation being replied to…I think we can all say dead and doomed are synonymous lol