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[Buggy Loop]

The announcement from last night, the move to change from old DLSS Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) to transformer model is applicable for all RTX hardware

See ENHANCED: DLSS Super Resolution.

Even Switch 2 with rumoured old ass Ampere will have the best upscaling tech of console world

Next gen, if a console manufacturer goes with AMD, the other should go with Nvidia, the one with the deeper pockets. It's getting ridiculous how good Nvidia is getting at AI.

 

[tmlDan]

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Three]

It's going to be funny seeing people now defend possibly sub 720p upscales with artifacts that's for sure.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Because its true

PS5 FSR is not even in the competition

PS5 pro with PSSR is... eh

 

[Wooxsvan]

and you think nintendo will even use/license the tech from nvidia rather than doing their own like PSSR?

 

[Buggy Loop]

and you think nintendo will even use/license the tech from nvidia rather than doing their own like PSSR?

What are you even talking about?

Nintendo's deal with Nvidia is they also use Nvidia's inhouse API, NVN.. NVN 2 for Switch 2 has already been leaked

 

[Dacvak]

I mean, I guess it’s true that the Switch 2 will have more advanced upscaling than the PS5 or Xbox thanks to the Nvidia hardware. It remains to be seen how it’ll be implemented, though. DLSS and upscaling isn’t free, and the existing higher quality DLSS modes come at a significant frame time cost.

It’s still best to keep hopes in check. The tech may be more advanced than other consoles, but the implementation could be severely limited to keep TDP down.

 

[tmlDan]

Because its true

PS5 FSR is not even in the competition

PS5 pro with PSSR is... eh

please be serious, 99% of it is based on implementation not just the tech existing

 

[Little Mac]

Remember that Nintendo gonna Nintendo. It’s an exciting time for sure but always keep your expectations in check.

 

[Buggy Loop]

please be serious

I am

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FSR & PSSR has nothing on this tech

 

[SimTourist]

I'm gonna laugh when Switch 2 doesn't have support for dlss

 

[DeepEnigma]

And Pokémon games will still look like 30 year old hot trash.

 

[Wooxsvan]

What are you even talking about?

Nintendo's deal with Nvidia is they also use Nvidia's inhouse API, NVN.. NVN 2 for Switch 2 has already been leaked

i must have missed that they are using "dlss". i saw in the patent the other day which made it seem like they were building their own, obviously using nvidia hardware

 

[Cyberpunkd]

OMG, holy shit, WTF, I cannot imagine how sharper those few pixels will be when I play either looking at a 7" screen in handheld, or sitting a few meters away from the TV!

I really hate this DF timeline.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Yeah that massive bandwidth and raster performance of a 60W 8nm 2013 era hardware is surely going to have tons of beefy headroom for state of the art upscaling similar to a $2000 GPU

 

[Buggy Loop]

I mean, I guess it’s true that the Switch 2 will have more advanced upscaling than the PS5 or Xbox thanks to the Nvidia hardware. It remains to be seen how it’ll be implemented, though. DLSS and upscaling isn’t free, and the existing higher quality DLSS modes come at a significant frame time cost.

It’s still best to keep hopes in check. The tech may be more advanced than other consoles, but the implementation could be severely limited to keep TDP down.

The enhanced DLSS upscaler has even less latency than previous CNN model of DLSS. It gets better performances.

Even TURING will benefit from this

No need for new hardware, no new tensor cores. It's the trained model that has changed.

 

[coffinbirth]

Who gives a shit if it's wasted on dealing with 540p being upscaled to 1080p?

 

[Lucifers Beard]

The smart thing to do would be to wait until Nintendo officially announce what the console can do, rather than just speculate with extreme confidence. You can bet your ass that someone here is bookmarking this for a big fucking 'atoldaso' moment.

 

[DeepEnigma]

CNN

 

[Buggy Loop]

Yeah that massive bandwidth and raster performance of a 60W 2013 era hardware is surely going to have tons of beefy headroom for state of the art upscaling similar to a $2000 GPU

Yea i don't expect much from you guys and tech knowledge, really not much, like a tiny little spoon, that's what you don't get. The training MODEL has changed. It runs on ALL RTX tensor cores, all the way back to Turing, and performs better with lower ms of rendering.

Very hard concepts I know

whAt iS mL? Aiii?

 

[Fake]

And RT.

 

[Dacvak]

OP you’re comin’ in quite hot today. Have some cocoa and relax.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Even the most Nintendo guys at the Install Base forum have settled for a decent upgrade for the Switch 2.

It seems that there are still some that will be very disappointed when this thing launches

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I'm fine with this since 1080P is what I'll always use.

I just hope they'll have a big budget dark fantasy Zelda like Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time again or that WII U tech demo style. Or else I'm skipping on the Nintendo console yet again.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The training MODEL has changed. It runs on ALL RTX tensor cores, all the way back to Turing, and performs better with lower ms of rendering.

What’s so hard for you to understand that a 2013 piece of hardware is going to look like dogshit and will not have the headroom to implement DLSS equally as a 2025 $2000 gpu?

You’re the same guy that said 8nm wasn’t confirmed. So much for your “tech knowledge”. Derp

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The smart thing to do would be to wait until Nintendo officially announce what the console can do, rather than just speculate with extreme confidence.

You don't get it, it's all about dem clicks. Just look at this shit thumbnail:

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I mean... it's not going to suddenly make it compete with the Series S, but as long as the performance stays at a consistent 60fps for a vast majority of games, that's good enough.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Who gives a shit if it's wasted on dealing with 540p being upscaled to 1080p?

As opposed to PS5 648p internal resolution with FSR pixel soup?

A lot better

 

[Cyberpunkd]

but as long as the performance stays at a consistent 60fps for a vast majority of games

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I guess you're predicting there will be no performance modes, at all...

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I guess you're predicting there will be no performance modes, at all...

Given this is Nintendo most things point to NO than YES, I'm sure there are many people in Kyoto thinking: "Two options will be super confusing for kids and parents".

 

[Matt_Fox]

Set Sharpness to 100!

 

[DeepEnigma]

As opposed to PS5 648p internal resolution with FSR pixel soup?

A lot better

Ah yes, classic war-bait thread.

Always a great exercise in intellectual dishonesty.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Games will look the same and run just as bad because resources will be wasted on having RT shadows. I fucking swear the industry is fucked.

 

[IAmRei]

slow down, and hold your horses, and keep calm
as my profile picture shown, i don't really care about graphic.
and as long as the games are great, upgrade to whatever,
at least do everything right is super fine for me

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Anyone expecting technical wonders from Nintendo is gonna get exactly what Diddys facial expression announces.

 

[Buggy Loop]

What’s so hard for you to understand that a 2013 piece of hardware is going to look like dogshit and will not have the headroom to implement DLSS equally as a 2025 $2000 gpu?

You’re the same guy that said 8nm wasn’t confirmed. So much for your “tech knowledge”. Derp

The upscaling does not need 2025 $2000 GPU. I'm not talking about Multi frame generation, DLSS frame generation, the DLSS Super resolution.

Are you dense?

DLSS upscaling is DLSS upscaling, it does not NEED the Blackwell architecture

A 2060 will run it. All RTX models will run it. The training model, you know, on Nvidia supercomputers at their office, is what changed. It's still using the same tensor cores that allowed any RTX cards to have DLSS.

"The model has demonstrated better temporal stability, less ghosting, and higher detail in motion.

The new transformer model architecture will provide years of headroom to deliver continuous image quality improvements, as we have done with the CNN architecture for the past 6 years."

 

[GymWolf]

People are in for a rude awakening when this thing is gonna release.

 

[RoboFu]

shhh you are upsetting the PS5 PRO buyers. they have had a hard news day with all the new gpu talks.

 

[Schmendrick]

I am

Bookmark this thread

FSR & PSSR has nothing on this tech

Handheld power limitations as well as for-mobility-downscaled core-numbers also have nothing on this tech.
DLSS, while amazing, neither comes "for free" nor does it run on thin air.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The upscaling does not need 2025 $2000 GPU. I'm not talking about Multi frame generation, DLSS frame generation, the DLSS Super resolution.

Are you dense?

DLSS upscaling is DLSS upscaling, it does not NEED the Blackwell architecture

A 2060 will run it. All RTX models will run it. The training model, you know, on Nvidia supercomputers at their office, is what changed. It's still using the same tensor cores that allowed any RTX cards to have DLSS.

"The model has demonstrated better temporal stability, less ghosting, and higher detail in motion.

The new transformer model architecture will provide years of headroom to deliver continuous image quality improvements, as we have done with the CNN architecture for the past 6 years."

You do understand that DLSS isn’t equally performant across hardware, right?

 

[coffinbirth]

As opposed to PS5 648p internal resolution with FSR pixel soup?

A lot better

Neither of those are as extreme an upscale. Better tech sure, and will be just fine for an 8" screen... but this thing will not look great on a big tv.

 

[Three]

As opposed to PS5 648p internal resolution with FSR pixel soup?

A lot better

And why do you think that game runs at 648 to 864 @ 60fps on a PS5. Now imagine what resolution said game would need to run at to maintain that framerate on a 60W handheld. A Nintendo one at that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ah yes, classic war-bait thread.

Always a great exercise in intellectual dishonesty.

shhh you are upsetting the PS5 PRO buyers. they have had a hard news day with all the new gpu talks.

 

[Buggy Loop]

You do understand that DLSS isn’t equally performant across hardware, right?

You do understand we have NVN leaks that state it has DLSS right?

This new DLSS model has less latency, will have a huge impact on RTX GPUs with low ressources, such as the 2050 that DF analysed. Those ms reductions will benefit those chipsets a lot more than the big flagships.

 

[Imtjnotu]

The announcement from last night, the move to change from old DLSS Convolutional Neural Networks (CNN) to transformer model is applicable for all RTX hardware

Even Switch 2 with rumoured old ass Ampere will have the best upscaling tech of console world

Next gen, if a console manufacturer goes with AMD, the other should go with Nvidia, the one with the deeper pockets. It's getting ridiculous how good Nvidia is getting at AI.

 

[Robb]

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You do understand we have NVN leaks that state it has DLSS right?

This new model has less latency, will have a huge impact on RTX GPUs with low ressources, such as the 2050 that DF analysed.

I said it’s not equally performant. AI up scaling is heavily dependent on adequate internal resolutions, and a console using 12 year old hardware performance or worse is going to have very poor internal resolutions resulting in AI up scaling not looking anywhere near as good as more modern hardware

 

[Buggy Loop]

I said it’s not equally performant. AI up scaling is heavily dependent on adequate internal resolutions, and a console using 12 year old hardware performance or worse is going to have very poor internal resolutions resulting in AI up scaling not looking anywhere near as good as more modern hardware

Even the old ass DLSS was leagues better than FSR for low resolution



You see those details in OP from new model? You can live with a lot lower base resolution and still end up better than FSR