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[Syphon Filter]

Will Xbox games still be coming out on Xbox? Yes. Will they be on D1 on game pass? Yes. Do I care if other people play those games on other consoles? No. So who the fuck cares. I'm not 11 years old.

there is no point getting an xbox since you can get those games on ps now in addition to any potential game that sony has. gamepass isnt good since you are renting and dont own the games. MS will leave hardware after one more imo.

 

[CLW]

OP/ColtEastwood got his new talking points from daddy Phil

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

The only benefit is that the games they don’t cancel will probably have more polish than just thrown on GamePass since they need to sell the games on other platforms.

But this lessens competition which hurts gamers in the end. There will be less innovation and borderline predatory money making schemes. Also the people with a big 360 digital library will be totally fucked at some point.

 

[onQ123]

OP/ColtEastwood got his new talking points from daddy Phil

Check the date

 

[DryvBy]

Fans of the console would be understandably disappointed if Microsoft's decisions led, ultimately, to the end of the device. If it were just a matter of "expanding to more devices" then sure, but there is an ecosystem at stake here. I think most of the fans want Xbox consoles to be an ongoing concern and this could be a threat to that.

This is the big pie here. We live in a world where when the Dreamcast died, it sucked but I bought games on another device. Now everything is mostly digital and when that store goes under, it's game over. You owned nothing after all.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

I’ve have purchased and played on PC, Xbox and PS since PS4. So I own digital games on all three

I’m not hurt as I’ve expected them to move in this direction since Nadella took over. He’s always been all about being “platform agnostic”.

I will be hurt if Microsoft doesn’t do right by everyone and bring legacy software purchases to pc and complete this Xbox on pc project.

 

[Three]

I think it's the dishonesty that's more likely to hurt some than the fact that the games have gone elsewhere. Saying things like "just 4 games", "not Indiana jones" did them no favours when it comes to their devoted fanbase.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

there is no point getting an xbox since you can get those games on ps now in addition to any potential game that sony has. gamepass isnt good since you are renting and dont own the games. MS will leave hardware after one more imo.

Potential Sony games this gen like Returnal and uh… I guess GT7 (but only if you have PSVR2). Wow.

The reason to get an Xbox now is the same as before all of this started. You prefer the UI, you prefer the Xbox controller, you have a lot of purchases in the ecosystem, you prefer XBL to PSN, and of course GamePass.

And most people look at all of that and say no thanks and go PS5 and that’s fine. People don’t have to all enjoy the same products. Otherwise we’d all be enjoying the same GaaS slop that sells on these consoles 24/7.

 

[onQ123]

I think it's the dishonesty that's more likely to hurt some than the fact that the games have gone elsewhere. Saying things like "just 4 games", "not Indiana jones" did them no favours when it comes to their devoted fanbase.

Phil was holding on to hope that the upcoming games would sell a little better on Xbox & that Call of Duty on Gamepass would boost console sales & subscriptions by a large amount.

The projections without PlayStation & other devices would have seen that $69 billion investment go down the drain fast .

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

What would be the point in buying an XBOX then if XBox if Microsoft games come to other platforms? I understand more platforms equates to more sales for the companies, but at this rate Sony WILL have a monopoly because there will be no reasons to buy an XBOX if you have a PlayStation and it seems like a lot of people don’t realize this. Nintendo seems to be doing just fine with exclusive games. I still put the majority of the blame on the finicky XBOX community who refused to buy and support games most likely contributing to Microsoft’s third party trajectory.

 

[gow3isben]

So many franchises would die in the coming years if Xbox tried to rely on Xbox consoles alone .

Devs & publishers need the confidence that their hard work & money is not being wasted creating games or the game quality will get lower & lower so be thankful that Xbox games will have a backup plan.

Less exclusives = minimal sales = more third parties feeling it viable to ignore it with only minor incentive from the opposition needed

 

[onQ123]

What would be the point in buying an XBOX then if XBox if Microsoft games come to other platforms? I understand more platforms equates to more sales for the companies, but at this rate Sony WILL have a monopoly because there will be no reasons to buy an XBOX if you have a PlayStation and it seems like a lot of people don’t realize this. Nintendo seems to be doing just fine with exclusive games. I still put the majority of the blame on the finicky XBOX community who refused to buy and support games.

I believe the plan is to sale devices that don't sale at a loss , so they will be selling high end devices that will not sale as much but money will be made from the sells of the devices.

Maybe even Xboxes with Nvidia GPUs .

 

[Gryllis]

Xbox games being elsewhere doesn't hurt Xbox players, but it does hurt the people who still buy an Xbox console. It'll lead to less console sales, which means less third party support. So while more Xbox games are available to more players, Xbox console players will have access to less games.

This isn't just about where Xbox publishes its first party games.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox games being elsewhere doesn't hurt Xbox players, but it does hurt the people who still buy an Xbox console. It'll lead to less console sales, which means less third party support. So while more Xbox games are available to more players, Xbox console players will have access to less games.

This isn't just about where Xbox publishes its first party games.

You do realize the drop-off in sales was already happening & PlayStation is about to go PS2 on Xbox Series in the next few years these 3rd party Devs/Publishers already have Xbox on the chopping block but luckily PS5 , Xbox Series & PC specs are so close that ports mostly just cost time.

 

[Js562]

Will Xbox games still be coming out on Xbox? Yes. Will they be on D1 on game pass? Yes. Do I care if other people play those games on other consoles? No. So who the fuck cares. I'm not 11 years old.

 

[Gryllis]

You do realize the drop-off in sales was already happening & PlayStation is about to go PS2 on Xbox Series in the next few years these 3rd party Devs/Publishers already have Xbox on the chopping block but luckily PS5 , Xbox Series & PC specs are so close that ports mostly just cost time.

Exactly. But this generation got off to a decent start before sales plummeted, so there's a decent enough installbase for Series X. There'll be a point where if the next-gen struggles to sell from the outset, it doesn't make sense to bother with an Xbox 5 release.

 

[Kataploom]

If first-party Xbox games are going to be released on other systems, then it will change the value proposition of the console. If one of the central benefits of the Xbox console no longer exists, then people who bought the console have every right to be disappointed.

I don't get that reasoning... Does the console stop working or something like that? I guess those buy consoles for the wrong reason, and whatever that is, being able to play games is not the main one

 

[TheGodfather07]

Potential Sony games this gen like Returnal and uh… I guess GT7 (but only if you have PSVR2). Wow.

The reason to get an Xbox now is the same as before all of this started. You prefer the UI, you prefer the Xbox controller, you have a lot of purchases in the ecosystem, you prefer XBL to PSN, and of course GamePass.

And most people look at all of that and say no thanks and go PS5 and that’s fine. People don’t have to all enjoy the same products. Otherwise we’d all be enjoying the same GaaS slop that sells on these consoles 24/7.

Microsoft are doing a poor job if they cant even retain customers from last generation. Somethings gone wrong hasn't it? They're gonna drop from 58m xbox ones sold to less than 35m for series s/x. That's quite a steep drop. This trajectory was happening before the 4 games going multiplatform aswell. So it wasn't even that, even though it did accelerate the decline. In your opinion, why such a steep decline from last generation? These things don't just happen for no reason. Millions are leaving the xbox ecosystem and going elsewhere.

 

[SteadyEvo]

This is such an ignorant statement, I keep hearing.

Like Microsoft execs are sitting around, saying "GamePass is such a great deal, we are losing money on it, but that's ok because we love our gamers so much. So, let's sell our games on PS5 and use all those profits so we can lose even more money with GP. We love our cult members that much."

Sorry, but every player choosing to play Microsoft games on PS5 and Switch 2 instead of Xbox and GamePass is one more reason for Microsoft to kill or invest fewer resources into GamePass, not vice-versa.

I want another Xbox damnit! Give me what I want!!!! Fond memories of all their consoles, even through the red ring of death.

One more console MS. A farewell tour for the fans. We deserve it. I been with you since Day 1.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I want another Xbox damnit! Give me what I want!!!! Fond memories of all their consoles, even through the red ring of death.

One more console MS. A farewell tour for the fans. We deserve it. I been with you since Day 1.

You have no idea how many people wanted the SEGA Neptune. And yet their prayers were left unanswered.

Microsoft never cared for Xbox itself anyway, it was always just a minor project on the side that was a blip in the radar.

That was until the Activision purchase. That was when Xbox made itself too visible and made into a problem that needed fixing. I truly believe had they not done that, you could probably still have been able to afford one more traditional console.

 

[SteadyEvo]

You have no idea how many people wanted the SEGA Neptune. And yet their prayers were left unanswered.

Microsoft never cared for Xbox itself anyway, it was always just a minor project on the side that was a blip in the radar.

That was until the Activision purchase. That was when Xbox made itself too visible and made into a problem that needed fixing. I truly believe had they not done that, you could probably still have been able to afford one more traditional console.

They'll release 1 more. Already admitted to it but could be lying. They're going out with a bang. Like Dreamcast it will be fondly remembered and we will miss the day when MS made consoles.

 

[onQ123]

Exactly. But this generation got off to a decent start before sales plummeted, so there's a decent enough installbase for Series X. There'll be a point where if the next-gen struggles to sell from the outset, it doesn't make sense to bother with an Xbox 5 release.

Only problem is that install base is made up of half Series S who probably moved on to better ways to play right now & people who are used to not buying games on Xbox because of Gamepass.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Microsoft are doing a poor job if they cant even retain customers from last generation. Somethings gone wrong hasn't it? They're gonna drop from 58m xbox ones sold to less than 35m for series s/x. That's quite a steep drop. This trajectory was happening before the 4 games going multiplatform aswell. So it wasn't even that, even though it did accelerate the decline. In your opinion, why such a steep decline from last generation? These things don't just happen for no reason. Millions are leaving the xbox ecosystem and going elsewhere.

No next gen games (or games period for awhile after X|S launched, all we got was next gen updates for Xbone games like Gears 5 and FH4)

The games we did get were mostly not great for awhile.

I’m sure there were lots of people who owned an Xbone last gen but went PS4 before the gen ended, adding to that dropped install base number while not really being lost install base. Not saying most or even half or anything.

MS has their games in order now and have for a year or so, but they are two gens too late for most of the market to care. Which is ironic when you consider Xbox is putting out good stuff and Sony is fumbling.

Most of that was fine for me because I preferred the controller and UI for Xbone over my PS4, and I hadn’t played games like Gears 5, so Series X updates for it were nice holdovers. But Phil said it best awhile back when he said they lost the important gen and now everyone has their libraries. I view it a lot like an iPhone user, does it really matter what an Android phone does? Nah, most will never switch now, they’re too acclimated. And it will be even harder for Xbox now since those good games they’re putting out are coming to Nintendo and Sony. But I think most of us here are fine with that if it means more hardware.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Damn RickMasters is really feeling it.

 

[TheGodfather07]

No next gen games (or games period for awhile after X|S launched, all we got was next gen updates for Xbone games like Gears 5 and FH4)

The games we did get were mostly not great for awhile.

I’m sure there were lots of people who owned an Xbone last gen but went PS4 before the gen ended, adding to that dropped install base number while not really being lost install base. Not saying most or even half or anything.

MS has their games in order now and have for a year or so, but they are two gens too late for most of the market to care. Which is ironic when you consider Xbox is putting out good stuff and Sony is fumbling.

Most of that was fine for me because I preferred the controller and UI for Xbone over my PS4, and I hadn’t played games like Gears 5, so Series X updates for it were nice holdovers. But Phil said it best awhile back when he said they lost the important gen and now everyone has their libraries. I view it a lot like an iPhone user, does it really matter what an Android phone does? Nah, most will never switch now, they’re too acclimated. And it will be even harder for Xbox now since those good games they’re putting out are coming to Nintendo and Sony. But I think most of us here are fine with that if it means more hardware.

I think it was the effects from last gen taking effect. It was beyond terrible during the xbox one era. I actually bought won to play ori and cuphead, as neither were available on PS4, so i know how bad it was. Outside of one handful of good games, the other good things were backwards compatibility and the introduction of gamepass. The xbox one did so much damage to the perception of the brand and that's why series s/x never really got off the ground. The early games lineup didn't help for sure.

 

[Sethbacca]

This. And the ones still arguing the case for why people on PC should have to wait a year for their “left overs” as they like to call those games when it suits them. Not words they use when they want these games to win a game of the award with Geoff keily though coming out on PS for the first time round though. The hypocrisy…..

After watching MS crash and burn their entire hardware ecosystem by doing PC day and date for their console exclusives, Sony would have to be fucking retarded to do it themselves. Do I personally care? Not really. It would be a massively fucking dumb business decision though if they care about their hardware division at all.

 

[Nigel]

Given hardware sales I doubt Xbox can survive with exclusives. They also lost so many consumers last gen which was important as people built up their digital libraries. Microsoft are also more service driven.

 

[GinSama]

Having the IP going to other platforms is not the problem. The problem is the effect in the long term....so yeah like many of us said already what's the point of having two consoles running the same game,

I have all the consoles of Ms and all of Sony but continuing like this there is no point of having the two of them, and I do not mind having only one console, hey less money I spend right???


The problem will be the lack of competition, you can say whatever you want, but having competition, other options is good for everyone. there is literally no scenario where having two consoles brands fightin against each other for the market is bad for the player.


I'm not a troll or a fanboy but I do not like this direction , is not about the games going to other platforms is about the possibility for the hardware to finish and the lack of exclusives games .....

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

And it will be even harder for Xbox now since those good games they’re putting out are coming to Nintendo and Sony. But I think most of us here are fine with that if it means more hardware.

But that's the logic disconnect. The hardware is not going to be subsidized by games released on PlayStation or Nintendo. The very concept is absurd. The hardware need to justify itself or it will go away. And releasing games on other consoles is exactly what will kill the hardware.

You might like the console, but unless there is a financial reason for its existence, it will die. Every pillar that supports the console is being taken away from it. Xbox said they didn't care about console sales. But the reality is that they just don't care about the console period.

Having the IP going to other platforms is not the problem. The problem is the effect in the long term....so yeah like many of us said already what's the point of having two consoles running the same game,

I have all the consoles of Ms and all of Sony but continuing like this there is no point of having the two of them, and I do not mind having only one console, hey less money I spend right???


The problem will be the lack of competition, you can say whatever you want, but having competition, other options is good for everyone. there is literally no scenario where having two consoles brands fightin against each other for the market is bad for the player.


I'm not a troll or a fanboy but I do not like this direction , is not about the games going to other platforms is about the possibility for the hardware to finish and the lack of exclusives games .....

Sony had been ignoring Xbox as competition for the entire life of the Xbox Series. Arrogant Sony had been in place for years now. You are not talking about the future, you are talking about the current reality, which is that Xbox failed to challenge Sony. And the answer is for Xbox to exit the console space as soon as possible so others can get their chance to take their shot.

The belief that you need to put Xbox on life support forever is actually beneficial to Sony. A fake competition is very useful to keep Amazon away.

 

[Tajaz2426]

Oh no, no. You stop right there person, you are not taking these monumental good times away from me. At this point I am demanding your resignation and your silence. I am retired of these threads are my 80’s, again.

I enjoy all systems and game on PC to Switch, but I had to suffer through the likes of that Ricky guy every damn day and you’re not taking this once in a lifetime unicorn type great sexual feeling that is reverberating through my loins!

Not happening, I have my popcorn, the nacho cheese stuff that is more actually salt than cheese and I am reading every little page of sorrow from the money and fandom wasted listening to a company milk you, as you believe everything they say.

Now, I am trying to enjoy my Redbull and read pages of sadness. Please quit interrupting, sir/madam/ (insert whatever crazy pronoun thing in your head).

 

[sainraja]

then there is no point getting an xbox.

Some people prefer the ecosystem Xbox has. I think MS played it safe with XSX by focusing mostly on 'power' and software features (e.g. quick resume) this time around but in the future, given their new approach, they might be more experimental with their hardware. So we should see MS do more things like Sony tried with the dual sense, the back touch with VITA or how Nintendo did with the Wii. Obviously success for features like that aren't guaranteed. I know they are aiming for a portable hardware so let's see how that turns out.

 

[Manwithoutfear]

So many franchises would die in the coming years if Xbox tried to rely on Xbox consoles alone .

Devs & publishers need the confidence that their hard work & money is not being wasted creating games or the game quality will get lower & lower so be thankful that Xbox games will have a backup plan.

I'm afraid we as gamers only benefit from having three healthy gaming console companies. If Microsoft becomes a sega, then we all lose. Competition pushes innovation and helps keep costs in check.

 

[meech]

What would be the point in buying an XBOX then if XBox if Microsoft games come to other platforms? I understand more platforms equates to more sales for the companies, but at this rate Sony WILL have a monopoly because there will be no reasons to buy an XBOX

Someone likes gamespass. And he also cant afford or dont want to own a capable gaming pc. ( a lot of people use laptops or tablets for internet) That would be a reason to buy an xbox that is cheaper than a gaming pc. Of course, its not excluded that gamepass becomes available on Playstation. Then there would be no reason to own a xbox at all.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Oh no, no. You stop right there person, you are not taking these monumental good times away from me. At this point I am demanding your resignation and your silence. I am retired of these threads are my 80’s, again.

I enjoy all systems and game on PC to Switch, but I had to suffer through the likes of that Ricky guy every damn day and you’re not taking this once in a lifetime unicorn type great sexual feeling that is reverberating through my loins!

Not happening, I have my popcorn, the nacho cheese stuff that is more actually salt than cheese and I am reading every little page of sorrow from the money and fandom wasted listening to a company milk you, as you believe everything they say.

Now, I am trying to enjoy my Redbull and read pages of sadness. Please quit interrupting, sir/madam/ (insert whatever crazy pronoun thing in your head).

Whatever happened to Rik?

I recall him saying he had a Series X in every room.

His tears would be most succulent right now.

 

[Det]

It's not possible to sustain a brand based on Astroturfing for a long time and finally people are seeing reality

If it were Sony presenting a "last of us part 3" with these graphics at the launch of the PS5, we would have hundreds of columns saying "Sony better close the playstation because they don't know how to make games"

MS astroturfing made sure that this, Craig from Halo, wouldn't mark the Xbox brand on the internet... But in the real world people got it

Xbox and Phill have always been inferior to Sony in everything since the PS4 and guys like Duske Golem "balancing things on the Internet" by making fake news about the PS5 wouldn't sustain the xbox for long... Its expiration date is over of MS Astroturfing


EDIT:

I opened Twitter and we already have "damage control" with "but look, the xbox won't become Sega"

Every time a negative consensus is formed about the Xbox, covered by reason as in the case of Halo Infinite, someone rushes to the internet to do damage control

Is Halo Infinite rubbish?

Alex bugaga runs to make a video saying that "it just needs a ray tracing patch" and that "spiderman 2 4k 60fps with RT isn't all that"
I'm not surprised by this disgusting Xbox going bankrupt, look at the level of complacency around this shit

 

[Soapbox Killer]

it’s easy to feel betrayed after being invested in ANYTHING for years, not just Xbox. I bet Dallas Maverick fans who bought Luka Doncic jerseys fell betrayed after investing inc him for years. Seems natural

 

[onQ123]

I'm afraid we as gamers only benefit from having three healthy gaming console companies. If Microsoft becomes a sega, then we all lose. Competition pushes innovation and helps keep costs in check.

Looks at $699 PS5 Pro , $499 Xbox One ( at launch ) $499 PS5 & Xbox Series X ( 4 years after launch) , $599 PS3 model ( at launch) $499 Xbox One X ( at launch) $199 PlayStation Edge controller, the hell are you talking about?

 

[SteadyEvo]

This is such an ignorant statement, I keep hearing.

Like Microsoft execs are sitting around, saying "GamePass is such a great deal, we are losing money on it, but that's ok because we love our gamers so much. So, let's sell our games on PS5 and use all those profits so we can lose even more money with GP. We love our cult members that much."

Sorry, but every player choosing to play Microsoft games on PS5 and Switch 2 instead of Xbox and GamePass is one more reason for Microsoft to kill or invest fewer resources into GamePass, not vice-versa.

I disagree. They've gone all in on Gampass. The 3rd party approach is to make money and keep the subscription service going and growing. With over 1/2 subscribers on console another is almost guaranteed.

From strictly a financial standpoint it makes more sense to use Gamepass vs buying each MS I'm interested in.

No matter what way you look at it, going 3rd party is prolonging Gamepass and the development of a next gen console.

Every player buying MS games outside of GP are just helping MS keep their gaming division going strong.

Mark my words, in 2 gens MS will be the dominant force in gaming by a country mile. And I have no horse in this race as I've always owned all 3 console each gen. Just seems so obvious to me.

 

[SteadyEvo]

it’s easy to feel betrayed after being invested in ANYTHING for years, not just Xbox. I bet Dallas Maverick fans who bought Luka Doncic jerseys fell betrayed after investing inc him for years. Seems natural

He got traded?! I don't follow basketball. Too many fouls and complaining to the refund after every play. Annoying

 

[Sooner]

I disagree. They've gone all in on Gampass. The 3rd party approach is to make money and keep the subscription service going and growing. With over 1/2 subscribers on console another is almost guaranteed.

From strictly a financial standpoint it makes more sense to use Gamepass vs buying each MS I'm interested in.

No matter what way you look at it, going 3rd party is prolonging Gamepass and the development of a next gen console.

Every player buying MS games outside of GP are just helping MS keep their gaming division going strong.

Mark my words, in 2 gens MS will be the dominant force in gaming by a country mile. And I have no horse in this race as I've always owned all 3 console each gen. Just seems so obvious to me.

 

[mayham2199]

I disagree. They've gone all in on Gampass. The 3rd party approach is to make money and keep the subscription service going and growing. With over 1/2 subscribers on console another is almost guaranteed.

From strictly a financial standpoint it makes more sense to use Gamepass vs buying each MS I'm interested in.

No matter what way you look at it, going 3rd party is prolonging Gamepass and the development of a next gen console.

Every player buying MS games outside of GP are just helping MS keep their gaming division going strong.

Mark my words, in 2 gens MS will be the dominant force in gaming by a country mile. And I have no horse in this race as I've always owned all 3 console each gen. Just seems so obvious to me.

I think MS will be a dominant force as a 3rd party publisher.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

I think MS will be a dominant force as a 3rd party publisher.

Hold your horses, if they were that great people would have flocked to Xbox already

 

[Tams]

Slurpy, herp, derp, derp.

 

[mayham2199]

Hold your horses, if they were that great people would have flocked to Xbox already

Yea but they didn't have so many devs before. On top of that it seems like they are even acting as publisher to the other teams just to bring more great games out. This could be how they stop devs\publishers from leaving them outright. We will publish your game and you can put it anywhere just make sure it's on Xbox.

With that said you're right it's still no guarantee just what I can see happening. We are already seeing massive publishers having trouble these days as it is. Then they have GP sucking the sales out of everything on top of that. Something other 3rd parties don't have to worry about.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I think MS will be a dominant force as a 3rd party publisher.

CoD alone guarantees that.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

He got traded?! I don't follow basketball. Too many fouls and complaining to the refund after every play. Annoying

Biggest story of the day!

 

[Shaki12345]

Xbox has advantages over PlayStation. Here are a few:

- day 1 Microsoft games
- backwards compatibility with 2 generations with much improved graphics
- Much better app support and developer mode
- you can use it as a Media Center (Kodi, VLC). This is not possible on PS
- Internet Browser
- Better Deals on the Store compared to PlayStation if you're a GamePass subscriber.
- Xbox Cloud Gaming works great. I play my Series X games in the bedroom on my Xbox One S without any real lag.
- If you like the above you can also get Microsoft Rewards to make your GamePass subscription cheaper.

I play more on Xbox at the moment because I have a huge backlog and most older games simply run and look much better on Xbox. Xbox has VRR with backwards compatibility and A LOT of older games are locked 30 on PS5, while they are 60 and upscaled and filtered on Xbox. Big win if you like older games.

If Sony's backwards compatibility will be as bad with PS6 as it is now, I will buy a new Xbox for sure.

 

[ProtoByte]

As a primarily PlayStation gamer, I am hurt by Xbox games coming to PlayStation. It lessens the pressure on Sony to compete.

 

[SteadyEvo]

Hold your horses, if they were that great people would have flocked to Xbox already

So why is this forum foaming at the mouth for Xbox games while simultaneously hating the company bringing them to your preferred platform?

Neogaf.gif

 

[onQ123]

As a primarily PlayStation gamer, I am hurt by Xbox games coming to PlayStation. It lessens the pressure on Sony to compete.

People keep repeating this silly theory but it's backwards.

Sony still needs to sell their own software