Shaki12345
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That's already a big enough challenge for them. They need Microsoft and their AAA content.
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No Xbox fan should be hurt by Xbox expanding to more devices only the trolls & warriors will be hurt
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Sure buddy
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I mean, just look at the schedule.
Cross gen Horizon 2
Cross gen Ragnarok (underwhelming btw)
Spider-Man 2 rehashed and with cut Symbiote Invasion content for the sake of MJ LARPing TLOU
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Astro Bot (cool game, but cmon)
Intergalact-ick
Delayed Wolverine
That's pretty pathetic compared to their PS4 slate and it's not deniable. Their PS4 slate also was actually exclusive. It's not a coincidence that that happens when there's way less pressure coming from Xbox.
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SteadyEvo
Member
I hear you man. This is just a Sony biased forum unfortunately
Hmm...not really. MS quality has been improving as of late and it appears like that Will continue.
Some will choose to be $70 per game outside of Xbox. And some would rather pay for subscription on Xbox for a year and only pay $240(full price but can easily be found on sale).
And with the rising cost of everything in life Gamepass will become more attractive IF the high quality continues.
JTCx
Member
This ad came a little too late bruh.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
well, trolls and warriors are moving the goal post/adapting to new talking points. (play anywhere or Backwards compatibility)
now they are trying to make "Publisher Wars" a thing. Or how "Sony ponies" are funding Game Pass. The fact of the matter is that outside these people, normal gamers are never going to associate ABK/Zenimax's games as Microsft's. (Just like with Minecraft).
And when you look at MS as a publisher, its track record is just miserable.
So, they are going to continue fighting the good fight, which will make fascinating to see how it becomes increasingly difficult to justify "beeding green"
1. Inevitable GP price increases
+
2. Output of irrelevant/lackluster games
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3. Studio closures/internal consolidation
=
less games, practically no new IPs (relying on ongoing and big franchises)
This strange breed of individuals is on the verge of extinction.
now they are trying to make "Publisher Wars" a thing. Or how "Sony ponies" are funding Game Pass. The fact of the matter is that outside these people, normal gamers are never going to associate ABK/Zenimax's games as Microsft's. (Just like with Minecraft).
And when you look at MS as a publisher, its track record is just miserable.
So, they are going to continue fighting the good fight, which will make fascinating to see how it becomes increasingly difficult to justify "beeding green"
1. Inevitable GP price increases
+
2. Output of irrelevant/lackluster games
+
3. Studio closures/internal consolidation
=
less games, practically no new IPs (relying on ongoing and big franchises)
This strange breed of individuals is on the verge of extinction.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
bitbydeath
Member
Didn’t help for the cost increase we got this gen.
BlackTron
Member
This is supposed to not-hurt xbox fans?
drganon
Member
The ambassador program is over.
Topher
Identifies as young
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You do know PS5 has more backwards compatible games than Xbox and that's just going by PS4 alone, if we throw in the other PlayStations games it only gets bigger.
VRR works as well
Lower input lag with the DualSense and DualSense Edge controllers as well.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
He didn't say total number of BC games tho, he's talking about generations. PS3 games being relegated to cloud only streaming is such a fucking disappointment, with the odd morsel of a 'up-rendered' re-release now and then being the only crumb thrown to fans.
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He didn't say total number of BC games tho, he's talking about generations. PS3 games being relegated to cloud only streaming is such a fucking disappointment, with the odd morsel of a 'up-rendered' re-release now and then being the only crumb thrown to fans.
Stop making up words
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
The BC games on PS4 alone are arguably better and probably critically better than all of those generations.He didn't say total number of BC games tho, he's talking about generations. PS3 games being relegated to cloud only streaming is such a fucking disappointment, with the odd morsel of a 'up-rendered' re-release now and then being the only crumb thrown to fans.
It might be quirky with PS1-3 on PS5 but MS doesn't sell 360 and XBOG games physically or digitally anymore so that's quirky as well.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Again, not the point the user was making.
huh? they absolutely do .. any BC game that works on Xbox One or Series consoles, that hasn't been de-listed for any licensing etc crap, can be bought both digitally or physically where possible.
Digitally you can find most, if not all, of them on Xbox's own website ..
Xbox Backward Compatible Games | Xbox
Discover the library of Xbox backward compatible games.
www.xbox.com
Physically, places like estarland.com would have most of them too.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Again, not the point the user was making.
huh? they absolutely do .. any BC game that works on Xbox One or Series consoles, that hasn't been de-listed for any licensing etc crap, can be bought both digitally or physically where possible.
Digitally you can find most, if not all, of them on Xbox's own website ..
Xbox Backward Compatible Games | Xbox
Discover the library of Xbox backward compatible games.www.xbox.com
Physically, places like estarland.com would have most of them too.
Xbox Support
support.xbox.com
"The Xbox 360 Store will stop supporting new purchases on July 29, 2024. This includes the ability to buy games, DLC, and other content on the console and the Xbox 360 Marketplace."
Didn't say you could never find physical games I said MS doesn't make them or sell them anymore.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Xbox Support
"The Xbox 360 Store will stop supporting new purchases on July 29, 2024. This includes the ability to buy games, DLC, and other content on the console and the Xbox 360 Marketplace."
That link is for the old Xbox 360 store, any and all BC content has been moved to the current store years ago. Games, DLC, add-ons etc.
We're talking about BC right now.
If you somehow genuinely believe that it's not possible to buy BC X360 or OG Xbox games anymore, that is not the case.
Ok, so? BC isn't physical only.
You can buy them digitally with only 2, 3 games that were disc only that can still be bought in various stores.
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i know this is old but this 1000%
I'm confused boss.
About 10 years ago when I used the word NeoGaf was in a big uproar & According to some it was a word that I made up and even up to a few months ago people brought it up as something that I was just making up but then Sony started putting it in the description of older games being played at higher resolutions on PS4/5
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
About 10 years ago when I used the word NeoGaf was in a big uproar & According to some it was a word that I made up and even up to a few months ago people brought it up as something that I was just making up but then Sony started putting it in the description of older games being played at higher resolutions on PS4/5
I am in true awe of how you cat-fished me into yet another opportunity to post a long self-quote screenshot.
You are a master at your craft, sir.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Huh? I'm talking BC right now as well.
I posted what I read last year.
If that isn't the case I'm confused.
More collectors want physical copies of old games but that isn't my point.
The BC is quirky if you can't find certain titles physically for some.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok sounds like there might have been some comprehension snafu.
Just to reiterate, you can buy all the available BC games still. The store that closed down last year was the store that you could access from the Xbox 360 console dashboard and the decade+ Xbox 360 web store.
The current store, both web and on console, lets you buy all the BC games that are available digitally. The BC library has not been de-listed.
Obviously physical only is a different matter as those no one's printing 2 decade old discs outside of very specific reprints or re-releases like when a Limited Run Games type place does it.
That word is one of the reasons that I post my own quotes
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
So it was only shut down on the 360 consoles?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Correct. The Xbox 360 dashboard store and the web version of it (marketplace.xbox.com) that was used to buy games for X360 is what got shut down last year.
But long before it shut down, any games and content that's backwards compatible, had been moved to their current version of the store.
eg, you can buy one of my favorite games of all time, Deadly Premonition's Xbox 360 version and play it on Xbox One or Series consoles.
Jibran#one
Member
I mean if all Xbox games are coming to ps and ps also has exclusives , what's the point of having an Xbox ?
Is it like a gamepass exclusive machine ? When my gamepass is done after a year I'm done with Xbox for good.
They are extremely extremely stupid in killing of their own hardware.
Is it like a gamepass exclusive machine ? When my gamepass is done after a year I'm done with Xbox for good.
They are extremely extremely stupid in killing of their own hardware.
Unknown?
Member
What you remember of PS4 likely had tons of 2nd party and 3rd party exclusives. PS4 had huge gaps.
Shaki12345
Member
If you read my post you know I said that Xbox offers better backwards compatibility+ VRR and better framerates.You do know PS5 has more backwards compatible games than Xbox and that's just going by PS4 alone, if we throw in the other PlayStations games it only gets bigger.
VRR works as well
Lower input lag with the DualSense and DualSense Edge controllers as well.
samuelgregory
Neo Member
Is it just me or does it feel like xbox has kinda stopped putting in effort as far as retention and there main stays go. I feel like gamepass titles have only gotten worse (except for bolt gun) just seems like xbox is trying to stretch themselves to thin across all of there new studios and it's making all of them suffer and especially with Playstation having stuff like helldivers 2 and other games iv wanted to play for years (bloodborn) I'm truly considering getting one. I get that the console wars are dead but its just sad to see how far xbox has fallen.
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SteadyEvo
Member
You don't think they're releasing another console?
SteadyEvo
Member
MS has already announced working on their next console.
Jibran#one
Member
The console can suck a dick , what I'm asking is if all Xbox games are multiplatform then why not just get playstation and play it's exclusives .
How hard is it to convey Ur message , I mean if they don't want to kill their hardware shouldn't they announce something by now
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I really like game pass and I genuinely like that all their games are coming out on multiple platforms. It opens up more possibilities of positive discussion. More opportunities that games like Indiana jones that the genre struggles with sales to meet enough units sold to warrant sequels and keep studios afloat.
Also, as a player. It gives more opportunities for fun online connections in games like forza.
Whatever is best for the industry to keep games coming.
I'm also one of those that's going to ride game pass until the wheels fall off. For me as a gamer it's a massive positive. There's so many games I've played through completion that I wouldn't have normally bought. I then throw the dev some cash and buy the game if it's that great. Usually on steam at a later date.
It also makes me look out for sequels or try other games in genres I may have not tried.
Basically if netflix and gamepass and all other streaming sites went away I would go back to buying/renting films and games but until then....I'm getting my moneys worth.
Also, as a player. It gives more opportunities for fun online connections in games like forza.
Whatever is best for the industry to keep games coming.
I'm also one of those that's going to ride game pass until the wheels fall off. For me as a gamer it's a massive positive. There's so many games I've played through completion that I wouldn't have normally bought. I then throw the dev some cash and buy the game if it's that great. Usually on steam at a later date.
It also makes me look out for sequels or try other games in genres I may have not tried.
Basically if netflix and gamepass and all other streaming sites went away I would go back to buying/renting films and games but until then....I'm getting my moneys worth.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
If you read my short response you would know PS5 also offers VRR for BC.
It doesn't offer as many titles or as many AAA titles so I disagree with the better part as well.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Ah, just the best of the best Playstation/gamer fandom segment I love to interact with here on GAF.
panda-zebra
Member
Not a fan of this thinking and it's so prevalent. It's a pretty lazy and misjudged reading of what actually takes place. The financial realities of weak competition actually stifle and restrict innovation rather than ensure it. Along with the whole But we need Microsoft to keep Arrogant Sony from rearing its ugly head line it's such a feeble, nonsense excuse for an argument under just the tiniest drop of scrutiny.
Weak, inneffective competition is bad for everyone - bad for the innovators themselves and the end users of their innovations. It enforces restriction, stifles creativity and ensures mediocrity. It has the potential to screw everything for everyone. Different ways fiscally-doped competition actually stifles innovation and fucks the wider industry:
- The ps4's trackpad was innovation, but nobody was every going to support it. Not because it was useless or crap, but because the competition didn't have it and creators simply went for the easy and sensible business case solution of effectively ignoring its existence else face wasted resources making 2 interfaces/interaction solutions for their games. In a world where xbox does not exist the trackpad is ubiquitous and so analogous to mouse that it's a given to support it. We have better games with better interactions bringing desktop and comfy couch experiences closer to each other. Instead we end up with nothing more than a big dumb wobbly button of two halves. It actually sees better use and implementation in the way it was intended as a PC peripheral. This is innovation and progress stifled by the very existence of paper "competition".
- On the flip side here's innovation born from an inability to effectively compete on equal terms. The 8th generation. MS releases a comparatively slightly weak xbox one and struggles for years competing with the ps4, so next time out maybe they need to innovate. Do they learn to never again end up on the lowest rung of the ladder and do we end up with a power struggle that sees platform holders competing for an advantage? To an extent we do with the Series X and ps5, but here's the innovation - they embrace their prior basement tier offering status and instead redefine what that very lowest rung on the ladder can look like in the shape of the Series S. How does the gen play out with such competitive innovation keeping costs in check? It doesn't matter how good Series X and ps5 are, despite MS's promises and despite superfans' insistence, it's a piss-poor millstone around the neck of the entire generation (and perhaps even beyond); forever tethering possibilities of what 9th gen games can ever hope to be with a baseline so low it guarantees and enables the longest cross-gen deadzone wilderness imaginable. This is shit competition doing their own "innovating" while keeping costs in check.
- Innovation doesn't have to be hardware-based. Xbox live innovated a way to get people to pay a monthly fee to make use of their own paid internet service to play online. Genius. But that golden goose wasn't enough as there was far more room for innovation in this space. Game Pass. The sustainable subscription that boosts discoverability and bulks engagement figures for poor, struggling Indies and occasional day 1 3rd parties. Except that's exclusively for the chosen few, and only while MS is throwing around cash to pad out the service early doors to bulk subscriber figures when their own offerings can't hope to come fast enough. Shoulder shrugs to those guys who didn't get an invite to the party back then and instead got saddled the ever more difficult task of selling games to a userbase increasingly conditioned to laugh at the idea of purchasing anything because there's always the chance it'll be "free" one day or they're just too busy gorging on more games than anyone could reasonably ever hope to engage with anyway. But then also, actually, nah... screw those original guys too years later 'cause MS buys half the industry and can do in-house padding for less. The true end game, Game Pass final form. Burn millions now, earn billions and billions in perpetuity. And back then they actually had the brass balls to gaslight developers and the gaming public into thinking Game Pass actually led to increased game sales (which it probably only ever did for a miniscule number of games very early on when subs were low to begin with). Beautiful. This was neither true competition nor real innovation. just a desperate play for one last crack at domination while leaning once again on the wider company's financial position. But it's thE bEst vAlUE In gAmIng!!11 Sure, Philanthropist Spencer doing gaming a favour, you only had to check his cool Gamer™ T-shirts under the jacket or the contents of his shelves to know this relatable multi-multi-multi-millionaire was truly one of us. The service erodes. Tiers appear. Prices go up and up. Pushing innovation and keeping prices in check...
Their next disruptive task is clear - to dismantle all walled gardens and put an end to the very existence of platforms. They see little future in having their own anymore, so tearing down those of everyone else is practically guaranteed to destroy the competition's viability and leave them free to Katamari Damacy what's left of the industry in the aftermath. That's the only reason Nadella's entertaining any of Phil's shit these past years. Real innovation and sure to keep costs in check... lol.
If MS truly is in the business of making great games, their presence on PSN should only seek to increase competition for spend. What's more effective competition for a PS owner's cash: a 1st party exclusive on xbox that they can't even buy as a PS owner, or a 3rd party Forza or Halo or Gears or Flight Simulator or Minecraft or Indiana Jones on PSN than they can?
Don't buy into that faux-competition gaslighting bullshit. Xbox is the console. Those are Microsoft games. The only way MS balance gaming side books right now is by selling everything they have in as many places as possible. Activision/Blizzard/King is the framework for their path forward. MS didn't buy ABK so it could just become part of xbox and fuel GPU, that's never made financial sense on any level, simply fanboi-tier wishful thinking. They bought ABK to lead a MS gaming subscription services future, they just have yet to formulate a suitable offering when so many walled gardens still exist and can resist.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Only, that's exactly what they did from the court documents leaked from that acquisition, and it blew up in their faces. They have another quarter like this one, or if it gets worse, Nadella is going to pull the plug completely. The last thing anyone is thinking about at Microsoft is competitiveness and competition; they're just trying to stop the hemorrhaging.
panda-zebra
Member
I don't buy that was 100% the way all the the top brass saw it going down. People like Spencer were balls-deep in that fantasy for sure, but it's hard to imagine Nadella and Amy Hood as 100% believers, instead thinking of a bigger play on a wide stage - everything everywhere and demolishing closed platforms. Or maybe I give them too much credit and the sued car salesman did a number on even them.
But could they really pull the plug any time soon even if they wanted to? On just the hardware business/xbox side it'd be relatively trivial, but they're not gong to be able to offload the whole of the gaming side easily, efficiently or without huge losses. It'd all have to be broken up and parcelled out or whoever wanted it would face MS's own ABK hassles x10. Seems they simply have to find a way to make it work and hardware being a part of it seems very unlikely.
Better! Next gen I won't have to buy an Xbox! I'm interested in games, and if Microsoft releases them on other devices even better. And anyway, even Sony after PS6 I don't think they'll make another Hw. We will probably be full Cloud.
SteadyEvo
Member
The point of the console is gamepass. Not paying $70 for every new release. Lets say MS releases 4 games I want to play, thats $280 before tax. For less money I get those exact same games on release plus access to a bunch more. Believe it or not, all gamers don't prefer PS and PC.
And they've already addressed the next gen console when they 1st announced their 3rd party plans and gamers where losing their shit. Or are we just going to ignore that?
SteadyEvo
Member
SteadyEvo
Member
Bro! How does that statement even make sense. They invested heavily in GamePass and didn't get the results they wanted.
Now compared to the other console install bases, 30 million(gp subs) isn't alot but do you completely drop your existing customers? If they're trying to stop bleeding i don't believe that's the answer.
Why not both? Release everything Day 1 everywhere and keep Gamepass going on NextBox. Everybody wins.
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LRKD
Member
The only way this is a acceptable take is if you see it as a binary choice of A. Xbox goes out of business and all their games disappear. Or B. Xbox goes multiplatform and keeps making games. It's not an ideal choice for anyone if we are all being honest, and not just fanboying. Going from 3 down to 2 console choices just isn't good.
Ideally Xbox and PS would both be doing incredibly well to the point where even fan boys are buying the other console to play some of the games. Just like when Xbox first went against the PS2, both consoles had such heavy hitters lots of people double dipped, or desperately wanted to. Instead, we've gotten to the point where gamers on other platforms don't even care about the offerings that are going multiplatform. Eh Spiderman 2 on pc? Who cares? Halo Infinite? Not even for free lol.
Ideally Xbox and PS would both be doing incredibly well to the point where even fan boys are buying the other console to play some of the games. Just like when Xbox first went against the PS2, both consoles had such heavy hitters lots of people double dipped, or desperately wanted to. Instead, we've gotten to the point where gamers on other platforms don't even care about the offerings that are going multiplatform. Eh Spiderman 2 on pc? Who cares? Halo Infinite? Not even for free lol.
Jibran#one
Member
So it's for people who are on a budget ?
Because I think the more important point when u buy a console is which games do I really want to play and if one console has all the exclusive games and the games from Xbox I'll most definitely get that console
FalsettoVibe
Member
I wouldn't say people are trolls or warriors......people are just kinda tribal by nature, and want to feel good about their investments I suppose.
RickMasters
Member
I hear ya…… but hardware is almost always sold at a loss….but for a compmany that went from being real legit tech giant in the 90s with the best TVs and VCRs and hi fi separates….to being a company that relies on games…… we can’t say Sony have had an easy ride into the 21st century. I’ll bet they got more challenges than MS ahead just to stay relevant.