Will these be the numbers you use for the prediction thread if nothing more official comes out?
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NPD July 2012 Sales Results [Up3: 3DS Hardware Correction - 124K+]
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Will these be the numbers you use for the prediction thread if nothing more official comes out?
If X-Mas sales are weak this year, I could absolutely see Vita halting production temporarily (if not permanently) early-mid next year. Sony still has hope that X-Mas might go well for Vita, so they will keep the plants humming for now to have a decent holiday supply ready (although if retailer orders come in low - then they might reconsider building up a hefty holiday supply).
Nintendo shut down production of the Gamecube for a while in summer 2003. They were sitting on too much supply, with too little sales - so they just shut things down for a while to help clear out the backlog of inventory.
It gets expensive to have to run manufacturing lines for tiny numbers of units. At some point, it becomes less expensive to just shut down for 3 months or 6 months or whatever and clear out the inventory that you've built up. Under normal circumstances, with these sales that Vita has been putting up for months now - I would actually expect them to either go with a big price drop to clear inventory, or to halt production early-mid next year for a while. But with the PS4 coming soon, they likely won't do that. The news of the shutdown would get out to the public, and that would be horrible PR right before the launch of a new platform.
However, if PS4 isn't being released until 2014 then yeah - I could see a shutdown in production next year (if holiday sales suck this year).
Petrae
Member
More than reasonable. In fact, that's more accurate than what was listed previously.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
It took the PS2 nine years to reach $99.
specialguy
Banned
MS PR could have meant 49.4%. Given the intrinsic margins of error here, I'm not sure what you did helped anything rather than just rearranging numbers.
Edit: But given Petra's comment, nvmind.
frankie_baby
Member
We dont know if the hardware is being sold at a loss or not but if they were to cut the price they certainly would be selling at a loss but without said price cut (and significantly better support) they aint getting close to 20 million
We'll see when Darksiders II comes out.
SlipperySlope
Banned
At first I thought "Handhelds? Like in plural?"
Then I thought "Oh yeah, there are two handhelds on the market".
Count Dookkake
Member
Yep, DS and 3DS.
yes. 12k-odd per week vs 9k-ish
by definition, a 19-month streak would end at month 19.
KillerTravis
Banned
It's strange that decided to cater more towards the western market with the Vita after doing the exact same thing with the PSP and failing, except the PSP at least had interesting games for the japanese market so it was very successful there.
thing with the wii is that unlike the ps2, it already comes with stuff. you'd basically be getting a $100 console with a $50 game at $99.99.
There is this for people who can't afford $300 up front.
PRICE DROP MOTHA FUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Apparently not nowadays. Companies don't give a flat fuck anymore. Maybe there's a chance for holidays.
$99 w/ 2 year contract of $14.99 a month.
Maybe it will go down to $49.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I don't have the numbers in front of me right now (on phone), but I'm pretty sure the PS2 has sold almost 20M more units since the $99 price cut.
No. Price cut was April 2009.
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/31/playstation-2-now-99/
Sales since then? 2.4 million, give or take.
metalslimer
Member
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Sorry, I meant worldwide. I had no idea NA PS2 sales made up such a lackluster portion of those WW numbers since the $99 cut. I retract my part of the argument in relation to PS2 sales, seems I made a boo-boo
Edit: I still believe the Wii will see a resurgence with a $99 price tag, and will at least hold off the 360 until the end of next year.
creamsugar
Member
For the 2 new 3DS music games,
SE ≈ SEGA * 6
And
SE ≈ Diablo like * 2
SE ≈ SEGA * 6
And
SE ≈ Diablo like * 2
KillerTravis
Banned
You mean Heroes of Ruin? That's also Square Enix.
metalslimer
Member
Well this is confusing...but Theatrhythm sold 6x more than Rhythm Thief and 2x more than Heroes of Ruin?
Has to be, but none of this helps because we have no base to work with lol
TheNatural
My Member!
I remember the days when consoles being out 7 years meant they were $99 or less ... period. Not $99 plus contract that makes you pay more than the actual total price.
This generation has been the worst in videogame history for actual budget priced systems. Instead of just dropping prices, they keep the price and replace the SKU with a bigger, worthless hard drive or redesign.
And they wonder why sales are so shitty.
Translation: Theatrhythm = 6x Rhythm Thief, 2x Heroes of Ruin. But I still have no idea what the ballpark we're talking about is.... c'mon, creamsugar, give us something.
metalslimer
Member
Well we know Theatrythm didn't sell more than 88k or probably even more than 60-70k, so that means Rhythm Thief and Heroes of Ruin bombed.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Which isn't surprising.
alfredofroylan
Member
I bought my copy from PlayAsia because I couldn't find a single copy anywhere. Sega's doing terrible these days. Heroes of Ruin is not a surprise is a new title with no publicity at all.
Was harder than I thought due to not storing GAF_Agg's number in the main point-related tables, since GAF_Agg is ineligible for point rankings. Found three where the GAF_Agg was 500-1000 off from the total, and two others since January 2010 where it rounded to the value used for the predictions. One month in 2011 (can't say what month, as the number wasn't publicly released that month
), and PSP in July 2010. Therefore on average, looks like GAF_Agg hits the "jackpot" about once a year. Oh. :lol
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Yeah, I assumed you were talking about US sales since it is an NPD thread.
Not this gen or last. As pointed put already the PS2 took 9 years to reach $99.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
47k
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
If only they had a plan.
KillerTravis
Banned
Which one?
Theatryhthm = 47K => Rhythm Thief = 8K (
Really liked the demo) => Heroes of Ruin = 24KEdit:
Amazon was selling Rhythm Thief for $10 off, and it sold out. Was hoping that meant better sales for it.
MasterSheen
Member
I'm assuming Theatrhythm.
Vita.... right? That number could apply to a whole bunch of stuff.
Vita, I think.
Theatryhthm = 47K => Rhythm Thief = 8K (
Edit:
Amazon was selling Rhythm Thief for $10 off, and it sold out. Was hoping that meant better sales for it.
With the reality of Rhythm Thief being one of the last non-blockbuster titles that Sega is going to be publishing at retail, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it sold out of whatever meager shipment they put out for it.
speculawyer
Member
Holy crap. The industry is really dead. New consoles are needed badly.
Most of that list is discounted software that has been around for a long time.
Most of that list is discounted software that has been around for a long time.
No, you're reading it wrong. People are buying more and more in digital downloads. According to the NPD overall revenue actually increased yoy, just retail revenue decreased. The only problem are console sales. They could sell better with a substantial price cut but even then there's this thing: Last gen saw sales of 150 million for PS2, 25 million for Gamecube and 30 million for Xbox. This gen saw sales of 90 million for Wii, 65 million for Xbox 360 and 60 million for PS3. Which means that the market is already bigger than last gen and it's no wonder sales are going down at some point due to market saturation.
Except hardware isn't everything. You better release the next console when you're sure it has no flaws instead of going early to the market and having another 1 billion RROD-like fiasco at your hands. Or make that two billion cause that number is only for the damages to existing customers, the whole RROD cost MS a lot of potential sales.
MasterSheen
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<50k
What the what.