Oh no doubt - I'm not arguing or trying to get anything across really. In fact - I agree with you 100% on this.
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NPD Sales for July 2015
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Oh no doubt - I'm not arguing or trying to get anything across really. In fact - I agree with you 100% on this.
He's not talking about the Wii generation though.
GTA would be close behind.
The reason Minecraft edges it out is it's E rating and low intro price.
Removing data to make a point dissolves the point.
Money out of the traditional market is money out of the traditional market. It affects everyone. Losing part of a market is not a net positive. Losing entire demographics is not a net positive. In fact the word losing indicates just that.
Yeah I think that will help Sony, but not massive amounts. CoD's "home" is with Xbox IMO no matter where the early DLC or competitive goes. People will switch over but not enough to make PS4 the CoD home sales wise in US, I'll be surprised if it does.
As for BC we don't know yet, according to EvB they are testing CoD4, MW2 and BO2 and Phil Spencer is in talks with Activision etc and says "talks are positive".
Of course not all games MS test will be released for the public, they are probably just getting ahead of the curve incase Activision does agree with it so that they have it ready to launch or they could just be testing a wide range of games to make sure the emulator works.
Melchiah
Member
If we are including handheld consoles to the equation, should we also include their current competitors, the phones and tablets?
The market is shrinking, if we only count the combined sales, letting the Wii U numbers draw the PS and XB numbers down. It's only affecting Nintendo at the moment, and we can only guess how it would have been if the Wii's successor hadn't been such a failure.
As for casuals and motion controls, the PS3 attracted the same amount of customers in the end as the 360, despite of its lesser popular motion control method. I don't think a single game franchise, even as popular as COD, mattered that much either.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
btw these are Minecraft physical numbers. Basically no one I know who bought this game physically, I wouldn't be surprise if digital to physical ratio almost 50:50. Also all the iOS, WP, Android purchases. DAMN
The Artisan
Member
I don't know about that man...
retail mostly concerns how dedicated hardware does and how well the software for dedicated hardware does. tablets, like pcs, are difficult to track with regards to how many people use them as gaming devices.
the dedicated market is a declining space. you have to put a lot of blinders up to see success, and usually that's in regards to how the xbox one and ps4 are doing in the us, or how the ps4 is doing worldwide.
TheXfactor
Member
that defiantly helps, i honestly have no idea how these kids play on touch screen devices for minecraft. i tried it once and i wanted to go right back to the computer. its controls were awwfull
Not any more. Not with the amount of people who switched from 360 to PS4.
Joke post, click his tag.
Bait question? I'll play along though......
Then I think it will solidify them taking Nov (which I think they would at the current price assuming bundles for CoD and Battlefront) and Dec
If they did it going into Halo month I think it would make that month very interesting, much more so than the UC collection
While BC may help bring some X360 owners over to XB1 now. I think that we have enough data this gen to show that at same or even similar prices, more people are going to buy a PS4 over an XB1. They have only won months where they had great deals.
Chobel
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This doesn't make any sense, not 2 weeks ago Activison was not supporting BC.
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"CoD's "home" is with Xbox IMO no matter where the early DLC or competitive goes", that will change. Maybe not this year, but it will by next year.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
You do know that last year COD sold the most on 360 on NPD. 360 still has massive install base who are yet to switch. Gears, Halo and COD this year will definitely help most of them covert.
This holiday is going to be very very interesting.
Ohhhh that's awesome! I'd love to see how smooth the connection would be between people playing CoD together on X360 and XB1.
A lot of people switched to PS4 that's true but AW in its debut month still sold more on both 360 and XB1 than it did on the PS4. I know it's been almost a year since then and more consoles have been sold so things could change this year but I don't think it will. We'll see though, should be interesting to see.
Are you referring to them not being on the list of publishers supporting BC? Because that could just mean they aren't yet on board but haven't said no either.
www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-backward-compatibility-microsoft-in-posit/1100-6429470/
They are still in talks with Activision for whatever reason and talks are positive apparently.
Congrats, Sony.
Also, for those that care, this is another month where the Amazon monthly relative rankings have predicted the NPD gen 8 console winner.
March 2015 was the only month where this has failed to be true, so far.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015-07/videogames
Also, for those that care, this is another month where the Amazon monthly relative rankings have predicted the NPD gen 8 console winner.
March 2015 was the only month where this has failed to be true, so far.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2015-07/videogames
What are Ytd's for Ghosts/AW for US? PS4 being CoD home is going to happen and alot of 360 only gamers are going to be PS4 only gamers because of it. The switch is real.
How interesting.
Again that was before this partnership. With DLC coming to Playstation first I have to believe many will switch. Twitch and youtube content creators literally HAVE to get the PS4 version in order to showcase the new content and their subscribers and followers will get that version in order to play with them.
The game will obviously sell well on both. But I think PS4 gets the edge especially if they have a bundle on release.
Melchiah
Member
I think exactly the same vice versa. You have to put blinders up to see failure; dismissing the sales increases by putting the three together, and ignoring how the sales have decreased on one platform.
Sakura
Member
I ain't no mathematician but shouldn't that be 1:1?
gimmmick
Member
Windows 10 release, the age of sony is indeed done. What will be next month's excuse be?
RedAssedApe
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are there any pie charts or graphs in this thread? that's what i come for
Chobel
Member
But until they say yes, MS can't test any Activision BC game. That's the part where it doesn't make sense.
harrisk954
Member
Lol... Yeah... I think he meant 50/50!
Regret Upon Approval
Member
I presume they wanted to say 50/50 split.
They never said they weren't, it just wasn't confirmed yet.
Can't speak for any other retailers, but at least in our stores, PS4 leads on preorders for Black Ops III and Battlefront (Interestingly, we actually saw a decent switch of XB1 to PS4 preorders with the full announcements of the competitive stuff and the DLC switch.). I'd assume that Sony fostering a "best place to play ______" is the reason that they've now targeted almost every popular genre in the various dominant markets. I mean, for shooters you have Destiny, Battlefront, Battlefield and COD all with Sony, at this point, right?
And they still manage their tremendous diversity elsewhere, which means the PS4 avoids the 'shooter/dudebro' image, while still appealing to them. It's been very interesting to see the differences as such.
Most of them? How do you figure?
I'd never expect to see Resonance of Fate in the top sales list for anything... that's awesome.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Hmm interesting. Still, FIFA at #9 overall in the US is great! Remember this is happening in EA's country of origin whom 20 years ago almost didn't launch the first FIFA on fears that it wouldn't sell.
Any word on how Madden and FIFA stack up to each other but on a worldwide scale? I know FIFA wins but by how much?
it's not a matter of putting all three together. microsoft is going to have a tough fight ahead of them to sell 90 million xbox ones. sony's not selling 85 million ps vitas. only sony has a chance at making one platform sell as well as their previous hardware did in a six year period (and it's a pretty good chance).
no one's coming out of this gen without taking a hit.
think of this more of warning signs, or maybe the start of a more pronounced decline, than the actual death of dedicated consoles. and this isn't just lower hardware sales in a vacuum either. there aren't as many publishers in the retail space anymore and there are fewer games being made there to boot.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a decrease for the PS4+XB1 worldwide (if not in the US) by the end of this generation. I don't see the two systems selling a combined 170M this generation. Obviously, Nintendo dropping 85M units worldwide will make things look much worse.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
lol yes I meant 50/50 1:1 ratio
Because shooter crowd still prefers Xbox, latest COD sold the most on 360 in last years chart. Just using the common sense at this point. 360 shooter crowd who wants to convert are probably waiting for next gen Halo or COD. and of course Battlefront.
If not this holiday, then I don't know if anything would make them want to upgrade.
All the more reason Microsoft should have held onto that COD contract
Those people who only play COD on 360, they are going to want the DLC first no?
I'm not sure the actual sales numbers but here's the NPD threads for both AW and Ghosts in their debut months:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=950407
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=733905
I just noticed both PS3 and PS4 Ghosts outsold XB1, so the PS4/X1 split could be much closer than I originally thought.
Oh I don't know about that, all I know is according to EvB they are apparently testing it internally right now. I think he finds out from 360 games that have their own page on the XB1 because he's posted pics of other games before and one of them went BC (Shadow Complex).
Chobel
Member
From my understanding saying no and having no confirmation is the same to MS, they can't test the game without publisher explicit approval.
But two of those games are going to be on PS4. And CoD and Battlefront are both going to have DLC partnerships with Playstation. Not to mention more of their friends are likely to have Playstations at this point.
gen 6 hardware: microsoft (24m) + sony (156m) = 180m
gen 7 hardware: microsoft (90m) + sony (175m) = 265m
gen 8 hardware: microsoft (60m) + sony (115m) = 175m
with nintendo:
gen 6: +103m = 283m
gen 7: +255m = 520m
gen 8: +80m = 255m
and people have been telling me i've been generous with my predictions. it's not even the full story of gen 6, where there were other handhelds and consoles involved. the full number there is closer to 300m.
Sammy Samusu
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1.) Lego: Jurassic World (360, 3DS, PS3, Xbox One, Wii U, PS4, Vita)
3DS version sold really well.
3DS version sold really well.
The Mad Draklor
Member
To how much of an extent and for how much longer?
Interesting, thanks for that info.
I fully expected Battlefront to lead the sales on PS4, Sony hit the jackpot with that deal IMO. Black Ops 3 leading pre orders at your stores is very surprising though, I never would have expected that.
Melchiah
Member
I'm not sure what Vita, or handhelds in general, have to do with the matter. They weren't even included in the chart that was discussed.
The worldwide XBO sales are likely to go down from last gen when this gen is wrapped, but I think that's more to do with their launch issues than the decline of the console market.
There may be a downfall in sales in the coming years, but the past 21 months haven't really warranted the doom-mongering.
that, or sales really dropped off in the second month.
edit: it beat batman. nevermind.