LegendofDragoonLives
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This makes no sense, I thought Rise sold over a million?
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NPD Sales Results for January 2016
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Blackleg-sanji1
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More jap developer's get on board the ps train as we can see happening.
I dont care who runs the market or how that benefits someone personally but I'll agree it's a benefit if you like rpgs and niches.
slavesnyder
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That's bait.
CosmicQueso
Member
its one thing to like the policies and games, another to say that we should be happy one company is leading over another.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Sometimes it's the same thing .
demigod
Member
It did, sold thru to........retailers.
Welfare
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ethomaz
Banned
WW yes... these numbers are US only.
Meant to put PS1 in there too
Primethius
Banned
More Japanese games with an increased chance of localization?
demigod
Member
*consumers.
Lol i hope you're joking. Greenberg's sold thru are retailers, he fooled you guys. With those numbers its impossible to sell "well over" a million.
Check again, Europe is on that list.
Welfare
Member
No, he said sold through, which is different to sold in, and it does make sense that TR sold over 1 million by the end of 2015.
Bruno MB
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I was happier when I didn't have to pay to play online and PS Plus game offerings were much better.
CosmicQueso
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You're late to the TR > 1m party. That was analyzed to death in Dec NPD thread and there's a very reasonable path to that number.
And sometimes it isn't?
MS had the policies, services and games consumers found more appealing last gen. Would people say "we can all agree we are happy MS is the leader this gen" back then?
No. Because that's silly.
And sometimes it isn't?
MS had the policies, services and games consumers found more appealing last gen. Would people say "we can all agree we are happy MS is the leader this gen" back then?
No. Because that's silly.
slavesnyder
Member
The post was senseless after "We can all agree..."
Where did he think he is?
MS proving that you could charge for multiplayer has set an awful precedence for consumers. That the concept was a goer when the market leader was Wii might indicate competition can have adverse outcomes for consumers. If you like simplifications.
ethomaz
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demigod
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No because his sold thru is ALWAYS meant to retailers, thats who pays them. Then explain to me the "well over" part.
Welfare
Member
No, after being asked for clarification on whether it was sold to retailers (sold in) or sold through to consumers, he replied sold through.
"Well over", I don't know. Maybe the ROTW likes Lara more than the US, which I think is the case for previous games in the series.
demigod
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I said Europe. I'm pretty sure that list of his is Europe and not just UK, correct me if im wrong.
Believe what you want, but i sure as hell wouldn't believe a liar like Greenberg. The numbers speaks for itself.
When a PR or marketing person uses phrases like "well over" you ignore it. It's meaningless which is exactly why they say it.
it could be 1,000,001 sales and PR would still say "well over". They're talking about an indefinite period of time using an indefinite description. Nobody should give it a second thought.
All that matters is the solid number of 1 million.
MS reacting to poor January?
I can't believe this is still a thing... lol.
We don't need to believe nothing, it sold one million. And NPD numbers are nothing, keep in mind that US is not the World.
demigod
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Proof? Lol ok then. And those numbers are not US only.
Welfare
Member
Yeah, numbers say over 1 million lol
If you believe he's lying, then that's ok. Actually no it's not because it's delusional, but it's ok.
The public numbers we have are the US and UK. That's it. Getting to 1 million from there is easy and the math has been done before.
demigod
Member
K where's your proof?
ethomaz
Banned
UK and first week France only are the know numbers... all the others numbers are unknown.
So I'm sure it is not Europe.
You've been given proof.
You've just rejected it because it didn't suit your narrative.
It sold a million.
Either way it's a good way to stay competitive. They have to do something. Because for the majority of the year I don't see how they put a dent into that gap.
SF5 launch.
CosmicQueso
Member
I need a new hobby. Getting crotchety in my old age. What do you suggest?
Is it tax return season yet? Could be fighting for those taxpayers looking to spend money on themselves.
Edit:
Great minds
Welfare
Member
Tax return season.
You also ask for a proof?
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/684140018797953025
But yeah, you don't like this proof so this doesn't count right?
And lol what mean this is not only USA? NPD is USA, and NPD say TR has sold over 400K by end of 2015, withouth bundle, withouth digital...
Proof is only proof if it agrees with the things I want it to prove. Without any real numbers stated as cold hard fact out of the horses mouth, all of these "proofs" are just circumstantial evidence leading to a conclusion but not proof!
You may say all those numbers add up to over a million, I say you counted wrong or the wrong thing. I've been keeping a close eye on that math stuff and I know it can be variable. Why else would Indiana try to define Pi as a definite number!? Math is clearly irrational and needs to seek serious psychological therapy.
Don't even get me started on this imaginary math... how can you add things that don't exist!?
You may say all those numbers add up to over a million, I say you counted wrong or the wrong thing. I've been keeping a close eye on that math stuff and I know it can be variable. Why else would Indiana try to define Pi as a definite number!? Math is clearly irrational and needs to seek serious psychological therapy.
Don't even get me started on this imaginary math... how can you add things that don't exist!?
Welfare
Member
Math can even kill! Why have we not locked it up yet?!?!
Unless we are off on PS4, this numbers sounds good because fits in the pie. I will use them.
3rdamention
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To be fair, Greenberg does have a tweet from a few years back where he says very specifically that when they say sold through, they mean to retailers, in his words "retailers are our customers."
Whether that is still their way of reporting sales, who knows with Greenburg..
demigod
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You also ask for a proof?
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/684140018797953025
But yeah, you don't like this proof so this doesn't count right?
And lol what mean this is not only USA? NPD is USA, and NPD say TR has sold over 400K by end of 2015, withouth bundle, withouth digital...
No shit sherlocke this is NPD. You might want to check what the discussion was about before sticking your nose in. And no Greenberg is not proof, yeah i knew you couldn't provide the facts.
Holy shit, again.
412,000 in USA. no bundle, no digital. let's say digital is 20% of total sales... 515,000 in USA. Let's say the bundle has sold only 5k, yes is a super limited bundle but this is still very low, but let's say 5k.
520,000.
USA is what, 90% of NA? 575,000 in NA then.
UK is well over 100K by first week of December, and since that, the game always charted in TOP 20, and XenoBlade was at #32 with 10k of sales.
So, >200K in UK including digital are super likely.
And only with UK and NA we can have almost 800K.
France and Germany.
Let's say those countries are only 50k both, this is super unlicky since in France, WITHOUTH DIGITAL the first week was 26,000, but ok let's say those countries are including bundle and digital only 100K ( which is impossible, this is too low).
Almost 900K only NA+UK+FRA+GER.
...Is one million worldwide still impossible?
And now you will probabily thing "but those numbers are just speculation" indeed they are, i mean i don't even know why i write those numbers, one million is ALREADY confirmed, i should not even say a possible scenario for tell you that 1 million is possible, but since you guys believe 1 million can't be possible, i need to write all this stuff for people like you.
Guesstimates that follow a logical and based flow of thought and mathematical processing are valid unless, in the case of disagreement, provided counter evidence of wrong or misplaced data handling.
Scoffing at a guess for being a guess, even if informed, is a fallacy of argument.
Welfare
Member
Pretty clear.
Tone it down there buddy. Greenberg is proof, even if you don't like him.
That is an average that rises every year. What would you say TR digital ratio would be? You can't.
You also can't argue with a wall, so I'm not sure why he's bothering with you.
demigod
Member
No he is not, look up what 3rdamention wrote.
Welfare
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I didn't realize someone could actually miss orange link text.
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Indeed for what we know they can even be bigger lol. You can't know this, for what we knwo, ROTT digital sales can be even 30%, and you have no source for say this is not possible.
The fact is one. Greenberg said 1 million. And say this is not true.
Since you are the only who asked for a proof, now is my turn.
Tell me the proof which have Tomb Raider under 1 million.
bryanee
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They're saying that Greenbergs idea of sold through has in fact in the past meant to mean to retailers and not consumers.
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