AmaterasuOni
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Yeah, and EU should get cheaper games and US more expensive. Right?
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NPD Sales Results for June 2015 [Up2: Batman, Splatoon]
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Yeah, and EU should get cheaper games and US more expensive. Right?
I think the real question is whether Microsoft is going to drop the price again this coming holiday. They can't be too profitable with the Xbox One's price being where it is right now. I could wager that everyone is expecting them to lower the price because of the usual Microsoft Holiday Desperation, but I'm starting to have doubts over whether they'll lower it again. I know Phil said himself that he wants to 'win' this generation, but I don't know if the Xbox team would be able to overpower the wrath of angry investors.
Disaster Nebraska
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If Witcher 3's performance is any indication, Fallout 4 will still sell better on PS4.
~70k more than it's competitor is pretty damn good. Considering that it's MS home territory and $50 more expensive.
I shutter when I think about ROTW, especially EU.
Wins hardware AND software.
I think it would be good for their profits, because XboxOne isn't a real competitor for PS4 in EU mainland and RotW, even if it was clearly cheaper.
I'm not saying that I would appreciate that, but I think it would be a good move for them (financially). People who would know about the price difference probably have a PS4 already.
Sony is struggling in the US and they face stronger competition. EU/Rotw sales are still insane. So they should be agressive and even take losses in the US, which they can make up elsewhere.
I have to confess that I mentioned Knack as flamebait/joke
Um.... What?
Anyway, Sony have already changed the price in certain markets to reflect demand or exchange rate changes. But when it comes to an actual price drop that is something that will be applied worldwide and not something exclusive to the US. Sony would do themselves no favours by just dropping the price in the US.
anexanhume
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If MS bundles it I would expect XB1 version to do more based on that fact alone. MS will move a lot of some kind of bundles this holiday no doubt.
I think it would be good for their profits, because XboxOne isn't a real competitor for PS4 in EU mainland and RotW, even if it was clearly cheaper.
I'm not saying that I would appreciate that, but I think it would be a good move for them (financially). People who would know about the price difference probably have a PS4 already.
Sony is struggling in the US and they face stronger competition. EU/Rotw sales are still insane. So they should be agressive and even take losses in the US, which they can make up elsewhere.
I have to confess that I mentioned Knack as flamebait/joke
WUT? Sony is market leader in the U.S.
Disaster Nebraska
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You're missing the point. Witcher 3 had exclusive marketing with XBox One including some bundles if I'm not mistaken, and still sold more on PS4.
Certainly, Fallout may sell more on Xbox One. That possibility has a lot of facts behind it: Bethesda games were typically associated with Xbox last gen, the games ran better, and they sold more on 360 compared to PS3.
But then again, Witcher 2 was a console exclusive to 360 last gen and the sequel still sold more on PS4. PS4 is also likely to sell more copies of CoD, Battlefield, and Battlefront this holiday season. In turn, it might push people to also pick up FO4 on their new CoD box.
IndoAssassin
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I think it would be good for their profits, because XboxOne isn't a real competitor for PS4 in EU mainland and RotW, even if it was clearly cheaper.
I'm not saying that I would appreciate that, but I think it would be a good move for them (financially). People who would know about the price difference probably have a PS4 already.
Sony is struggling in the US and they face stronger competition. EU/Rotw sales are still insane. So they should be agressive and even take losses in the US, which they can make up elsewhere.
I have to confess that I mentioned Knack as flamebait/joke
I guess MS is on a sinking ship then?
Good point.
GravityInsanity
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Sony is struggling in the US and they face stronger competition. EU/Rotw sales are still insane. So they should be agressive and even take losses in the US, which they can make up elsewhere.
I have to confess that I mentioned Knack as flamebait/joke
Obliterator
Member
Keep in mind ESO sold more on XB1.
Not saying that is a reflection of what will happen with FO4 but its possible Fallout could do more on XB1
Depends. If you want to play Arkham Knight soon then get it now. The bundle is good value.
If you can wait then end of this year should have some good deals.
If you have the money and the time, grab one and enjoy yourself. You'll only end up saving $50 or $70 by waiting.
Yes they are, but their sales are not phenomenal (compared to last gen and/or EU/RoTW). And MS isn't far behind. I think they MS and Sony head to head in the US. The difference is negligable.
So they should be more agressive in pricing in the US. They can do this, without making losses, as the make enough profits elsewhere. Eurape peons won't care (except for the UK maybe). Afterall this is about NPD and the US. I think they easily could do a price cut in the US. If it's 50$ or 100$, I can't say. Don't bother about "struggling". It was meant relatively.
Lmao
Correct me if I'm wrong but both consoles are ahead of where the PS3/360 were at this point in their lifetime
joecanada
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I think it would be good for their profits, because XboxOne isn't a real competitor for PS4 in EU mainland and RotW, even if it was clearly cheaper.
I'm not saying that I would appreciate that, but I think it would be a good move for them (financially). People who would know about the price difference probably have a PS4 already.
Sony is struggling in the US and they face stronger competition. EU/Rotw sales are still insane. So they should be agressive and even take losses in the US, which they can make up elsewhere.
I have to confess that I mentioned Knack as flamebait/joke
ignoring the struggling comment altogether, how do you know this would be good for their profits? you do realize that selling a product at a loss COSTS you more money the more you manufacture right?
At a break even point you make zero money, so profits are the same , zero
break even is probably ok with the PsPlus subscribe rate, but I doubt a loss would be acceptable.
Firelord Chargrilled
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I think it would be good for their profits, because XboxOne isn't a real competitor for PS4 in EU mainland and RotW, even if it was clearly cheaper.
I'm not saying that I would appreciate that, but I think it would be a good move for them (financially). People who would know about the price difference probably have a PS4 already.
Sony is struggling in the US and they face stronger competition. EU/Rotw sales are still insane. So they should be agressive and even take losses in the US, which they can make up elsewhere.
I have to confess that I mentioned Knack as flamebait/joke
AmaterasuOni
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PlayStation has far superior MMORPG in FFXIV. That's not even a competition.
AmaterasuOni
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This peon thing here. You're a troll, am I right?
krypt0nian
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In your mind sure.
Yes in my mind. I stated it as opinion not fact. But thanks for clarifying for everyone else.
If anything, ESO on the PS4 is competing with another massive MMO RPG: FF14.
FF14 also recieved a significant expansion recently, so those players are locked up there.
I'm not aware of any MMO RPG on the XB1 that's comparable to FF14 on the PS4 that would split the fan base; ESO on XB1 doesn't have much competion.
These threads are amazing.
Better versions of games and higher user base platforms sell more games regardless of bundles being sold on the competitor platform. That hasn't changed since ages ago, even last gen when Sony was doing marketing deals and bundles, 360 versions sold more and now PS4 games sell better. Why is this a surprising to anyone.
Better versions of games and higher user base platforms sell more games regardless of bundles being sold on the competitor platform. That hasn't changed since ages ago, even last gen when Sony was doing marketing deals and bundles, 360 versions sold more and now PS4 games sell better. Why is this a surprising to anyone.
DeepEnigma
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If it is only in your mind and not a fact, the statement is baseless.
Switch phasers to Advance Warfare.
I don't know this. And never said that I have some inside facts.
What I said is: Sony can afford to make a loss in the US, while being profitable per hardware sold on a worldwide basis. More hardware sold leads to more PS+ subscriptions, more software sales and more PSN movie downloads. If this is worth it or not depends on the loss they take.
The general concept on taking a (mild) loss on hardware is not new.
I just think that a price cut in the US would be a wise investment for them. I didn't say that they should lose 100$ per unit sold.
We've seen all the deals Sony did and now they have a new sku. 350$ wouldn't necessarily lead to a huge loss. At least this is my assumption.
BTW: The concept to lose money on US consoles and make it up elsewhere isn't new.
Console hardware has always been the cheapest in the US. The US market isn't the strongest for Sony anymore. See Ubi earnings report. So Sony is in a good position to drop the price in the US if they maintain the price everwhere else.
Not to mention all the other F2P MMO games lie Planetside 2.
Ah shit, I should have clarified, I meant RPGs D:
Yup, there seems to be quite a few big MMOs on the PS4.
Or PS4 has more choice in terms of MMO offerings. And better ones too.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Sony getting money from PS+ is not a sure thing .
Yes as more consoles sell they going to get more subscribers but after a while it will drop .
There are a lot of factors at play .
Yes as more consoles sell they going to get more subscribers but after a while it will drop .
There are a lot of factors at play .
It won't drop until the platform starts winding down. The subscriptions will increase for 3-4 more years. Money in the bank.
Why should the rest of the world subsidise US price cuts?
Trogdor1123
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we get any cool pie charts yet?
Disaster Nebraska
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Legit point. I didn't realize that. It's an even stronger point since didn't ESO get a beta on PS4 first or something? I dunno, I feel like PS4 had more marketing for that one.
So yea, I guess the takeaway is that sometimes games with exclusive marketing still sell better on the competitor's console.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yes it will increase but at what rate.
Will dropping the price by a $100 going to be off set by PS+.
Keep in mind it will take Sony years to get that money so it's a balancing act.
For short term and long term profit .
Me, too. It was meant as a joke - sorry if you found this was offensive.
I never meant to troll (besides the Knack comment).
NPD threads seem to be a dangerous territory! Lesson learned.
MatrixMan.EXE
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ESO on XB1 also has no competition in the form of FFXIV Online, which is proving to be doing pretty well on PS4.
Your opinion seems a bit baseless and is a big stretch. There are plenty of MP focused games that have sold more on PS4.
Not immediately but for sure in the long run for the platform life cycle. Any user subscription loyalty will bring more money the earliest it's achieved. I'm sure Sony has those numbers and will pull the trigger at the sweet spot.