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Nuclear fusion: French scientists manage to maintain plasma for 22 minutes, setting a new record and overtaking China

KyoZz

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At its Bouches-du-Rhône site in France, the Atomic Energy Commission managed to maintain a plasma for more than 22 minutes at a stationary temperature of 50 million degrees Celsius. A record achieved thanks to the WEST tokamak, which beats by 5 minutes the one obtained by its rival, the Chinese EAST tokamak, in January.

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The WEST tokamak, located in Cadarache (Bouches-du-Rhône), April 11, 2022

"It's a great success," rejoices Jérôme Bucalossi, director of the CEA's Magnetic Confinement Fusion Research Institute. "It was a subject we had been working on for a long time with this challenge of exceeding 1,000 seconds. We expected to take it up but not to succeed so well!"

To obtain this plasma, the researchers injected hydrogen atoms (used for nuclear fusion because of their lightness) into the tokamak, then stripped electrons from them using an electrical discharge.
The resulting “soup,” made up of free electrons and charged atoms, is the plasma. It is then heated using microwaves until it reaches a temperature of about 50 million degrees (more than three times the temperature of the Sun’s core).

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Because for a tokamak to truly produce energy, the plasma will have to be maintained continuously, very, very far from the 22 minutes achieved today.
"Plasma is a state of matter that is very unstable. All it takes is a change in a parameter, such as temperature, particle density, or even gas, and it can stop," physicist Anne-Isabelle Etienvre explained, before adding: "The challenge is to manage to control it."

"This advance demonstrates that knowledge of plasmas and their technological mastery over long periods have become much more mature, giving rise to hope that fusion plasmas can be stabilised over long periods," the CEA said in its press release.
Taming plasma is what several states around the world are aiming to do, still in Cadarache, with the ITER project, the construction of the largest tokamak ever designed.

Although the first ITER plasma should see the light of day within 10 years, it would only be an experiment. Industrial production and marketing of this energy of the future will not see the light of day until 2075 at best.

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Source (in French)
 
Dumb question.

If it’s heated to millions of degrees, why doesn’t it melt through all those metal tubes and such? Is it maybe because the qty of matter heated up is so small it won’t make a difference to that structure?

They use magnetic fields to hold the plasma. The super hot plasma cannot be allowed to not touch the metal components directly. Or it will melt. Imagine creating a spherical container with a magnetic field. That feild is contained inside another metal vessel.

That is one of the main reasons this is so complicated and hard as an engineering problem. Because in theory it works. But the devil is in the details.
 

Trogdor1123

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There is some pretty amazing stuff out there in the private sector too I would encourage people to take a look at. Some is overly optimistic but it’s looking better than ever before.
 

dave_d

Member
Dumb question.

If it’s heated to millions of degrees, why doesn’t it melt through all those metal tubes and such? Is it maybe because the qty of matter heated up is so small it won’t make a difference to that structure?
I think that's the actual answer. It's a near vacuum so even though each particle has a very high temperature (kinetic energy) the heat contained isn't so high it would instantly vaporize anything. I can't remember where I read it but pretty much they contain it so it won't cool by hitting the side. (And also it would slowly eat away at the container but that would take some time given how thin it actually is.) Or in other words you're confusing heat and temperature which are related but not the same thing. Heat is the total thermal energy in a system where temperature tells you what direction thermal energy will flow. (From hotter to colder.)
 
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Considering it's taking the UK government 10 years to build one nuclear powerplant. Just imagine if this tech finally becomes available for cheap clean energy. It will take 20 years just to build the infrastructure.
 
Considering it's taking the UK government 10 years to build one nuclear powerplant. Just imagine if this tech finally becomes available for cheap clean energy. It will take 20 years just to build the infrastructure.
Why? The infrastructure is the same as existing nuclear reactors at most.
Unlikely Fission you don't have to worry about meltdowns, and at the end of the day, all electricity generators are basically just gigantic water boilers.
The fusion reactor is essentially just heating up water the same way any other power station does.
 

Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
Nuclear fusion is my favorite near-future tech, even moreso than room temp superconductors

If we had the latter, then maybe there wouldn't be a pressing need for the former.

They use magnetic fields to hold the plasma. The super hot plasma cannot be allowed to not touch the metal components directly. Or it will melt. Imagine creating a spherical container with a magnetic field. That feild is contained inside another metal vessel.

That is one of the main reasons this is so complicated and hard as an engineering problem. Because in theory it works. But the devil is in the details.

The other challenge is what to do about the neutrons that are passing through the magnetic field, and bombarding and wearing away at the containment shielding.
 

Doom85

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Dumb cunts. Just buy 8 of these off Amazon. Problem solved


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Don’t forget to buy the microchip to control them. The manufacturer highly recommends leaving said chip exposed on your back so that any potential thrown object or such could damage it. What’s the worst that could happen?

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Dr.D00p

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Does it matter?...big business and vested interests will still find a way to keep energy prices artificially to the end consumer with unlimited energy on tap because, well...business.

This utopian idea that cracking Fusion energy leads to a post scarcity society is just for Sci-Fi authors.
 
Why? The infrastructure is the same as existing nuclear reactors at most.
Unlikely Fission you don't have to worry about meltdowns, and at the end of the day, all electricity generators are basically just gigantic water boilers.
The fusion reactor is essentially just heating up water the same way any other power station does.
Western countries are a joke when it comes to building big infrastructure or mega projects with public money.

Even if the tech was viable and became Ready to use. They wouldn't just use old nuclear reactors. They would build new ones. And if it now takes 10 years to build a new nuclear station .

Building a fusion station in the future would probably take just as long or even longer. Of course if it was Japan or China it would be built in a year.

I have no faith in governments delivering projects like this. Instead it would be endless delays and bullshit about money.
 

Shubh_C63

Member
They are the same who were able to do fusion giving out more energy than they input. (not including the massive energy it took the heat up those 190 lasers, where energy equivalence failed miserably. If they can make more and more efficient lasers like the above article than 100 Years Fusion might even be possible.
 

Wildebeest

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Progress is very fast. We might be only 20 years away from practical fusion power. And in 2045 years time things might look just as bright, still 20 years to practical fusion power plants.
 
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