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Official World Cup of Hockey thread

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calder

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The Official website for the tournament.
TSN.ca's World Cup Section, some good info, rosters and reports.
ESPN's site, of all the major American sports sites they seem most into the tourney. CNNSI is all but ignoring it at this point, but CBS Sportsline also has a decent hockey section with previews and actual reporters writing about it instead of just posting a few AP wire stories.

FOXsports North America pool preview
FOXsports European pool preview


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Preliminary Round
Date  	   Venue, City  	   Matchup     	Time      	Nat'l TV
Mon, Aug 30 	Hartwall Arena, Helsinki 	Cze vs. Fin    1:00 PM EDT    ESPN,CBC
Tue, Aug 31 	Globe Arena, Stockholm  	Ger vs. Swe    1:00 PM EDT    ESPN,CBC
Tue, Aug 31 	Bell Centre, Montreal   	USA vs. Cda    7:00 PM EDT    ESPN2,CBC
Wed, Sep 1 	Globe Arena, Stockholm  	Cze vs. Swe    1:00 PM EDT    ESPN,CBC
Wed, Sep 1 	Bell Centre, Montreal   	Cda vs. Slv    7:00 PM EDT    ESPN2,CBC
Thu, Sep 2 	Cologne Arena, Cologne 	Fin vs. Ger    1:30 PM EDT    ESPN2,CBC
Thu, Sep 2 	Xcel Center, St. Paul      Rus vs. USA     7:00 PM EDT    ESPN2,CBC
Fri, Sep 3 	Sazka Arena, Prague 	Ger vs. Cze    1:00 PM EDT     ESPN,CBC
Fri, Sep 3 	Xcel Center, St. Paul       Slv vs. USA    7:00 PM EDT    ESPN2,CBC
Sat, Sep 4 	Hartwall Arena, Helsinki     Swe vs. Fin   8:00 PM EDT    CBC
Sat, Sep 4 	Air Canada Centre, Toronto  Rus vs. Cda    7:00 PM EDT    CBC
Sun, Sep 5 	Air Canada Centre, Toronto  Slv vs. Rus   7:00 PM EDT     CBC

Again, in case anyone is interested.

World Cup fantasy league at FSN.com

Looks pretty fun, just create a team and pick the winners for each game, adding total SOG and final score as tie breakers.

I created a GAF league if you're interested in joining. To find it, after you sign up and create a team go to the League Directory and search for a *private* league, FSN's search (and interface, and most things) kinda sucks. If you want to just scroll through the league directory our league is on the fifth page, you can join by clicking on the join link.

League name: "Gaming-Age"
password: "gaffer"

So far there's just me and Koopa/Malakhov I think. The deadline for making your first pick is Monday at noon - the day of the first game. You can edit your picks right up to the day of the game if you want. Those first few days will be tough to predict.
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Team Capsules from the Canadian Press:
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Canada

Head coach: Pat Quinn.

IIHF world ranking: No. 1.

Record in '96: 5-3-0, placed second, lost to U.S. in final.

Key players: F Mario Lemieux, F Joe Sakic, F Dany Heatley, G Martin Brodeur, D Scott Niedermayer.

Notable absences: D Rob Blake, D Chris Pronger, F Steve Yzerman.

The skinny: Defending Olympic and back-to-back IIHF world champions, Canada has recaptured its place atop the hockey world. Only 10 returning players from 2002 Olympic team. Youth is being served on this World Cup team, with the likes of Heatley, F Vincent Lecavalier, F Brad Richards, F Martin St. Louis, D Wade Redden and D Robyn Regehr making their debuts on Canada's elite team. Losses of Blake and Pronger cannot be overlooked, but Brodeur's netminding and Canada's superstar offence makes them strong favourites along with Sweden and the Czech Republic.

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Czech Republic

Head coach: Vladimir Ruzicka.

IIHF world ranking: No. 4.

Record at '96 World Cup: 0-3-0, last in tournament.

Key players: G Tomas Vokoun, F Jaromir Jagr, F Martin Havlat, F Patrik Elias, D Roman Hamrlik.

Notable absences: D Pavel Kubina, F Robert Lang.

The skinny: Czechs will be motivated by tragic death of head coach and national hockey hero Ivan Hlinka, which could mean Jagr plays with the kind of passion that has been sorely lacking in his game over the last few seasons. The team was already hungry for this tournament after embarrassing quarter-final loss to U.S. at IIHF world championship in Prague in May. If Jagr is flying and Vokoun plays like he can, watch out for this team.

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Finland

Head coach: Raimo Summanen.

IIHF world ranking: No. 5.

Record in '96: 2-2-0, placed fifth.

Key players: G Miikka Kiprusoff, D Janne Niinimaa, F Olli Jokinen, F Saku Koivu, F Teemu Selanne.

Notable absences: F Sami Kapanen.

The skinny: The Finns play a tough, physical game and have the goaltending to go far. But unless Selanne enjoys a renaissance, goals will be hard to come by on this team. Koivu needs a huge tournament for his team to have a chance.

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Germany

Head coach: Franz Reindl.

IIHF world ranking: No. 8.

Record in '96: 1-3-0, placed sixth.

Key players: G Olaf Kolzig, D Dennis Seidenberg, F Marcel Goc, F Jochen Hecht, F Marco Sturm.

Notable absences: F Jan Benda.

The skinny: As Canadian fans learned from Canada's difficult 3-2 win over Germany at the 2002 Winter Olympics, the Germans play a tight, defensive game and allow very few scoring chances. Scoring the first goal has a huge impact on their chances of winning a game at this tournament. A red-hot Kolzig gives them a chance for the upset. But realistically, the Germans are clearly the eighth team in this tournament behind the elite seven hockey countries of the world, although the gap is narrowing.

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Russia

Head coach: Zinetula Bilyaletdinov.

IIHF world ranking: No. 7.

Record in '96: 2-3-0, placed fourth.

Key players: D Sergei Gonchar, F Pavel Datsyuk, F Ilya Kovalchuk, F Alex Kovalev, F Sergei Samsonov.

Notable absences: G Nikolai Khabibulin, G Evgeni Nabokov, F Sergei Fedorov, F Alexei Zhamnov, D Alexei Zhitnik.

The skinny: There will much focus on the absences of Fedorov and Zhamnov, but the reality is that the Russians will miss Khabibulin and Nabokov the most. The No. 1 goaltending job will fall to Ilya Bryzgalov, whom the Anaheim Mighty Ducks are high on and that's why they traded Martin Gerber in the off-season. There's still tonnes of offence on this team, including this June's first overall NHL draft pick Alexander Ovechkin. If Bryzgalov can stop the puck, the Russians are still a dangerous team.

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Slovakia

Head coach: Jan Filc.

IIHF world ranking: No. 3.

Record in '96: 0-3-0, seventh place.

Key players: D Zdeno Chara, F Marian Hossa, F Miroslav Satan, F Pavol Demitra, F Marian Gaborik.

Notable absences: F Ziggy Palffy, F Michal Handzus, D Ivan Majesky.

The skinny: Losing Palffy hurt but the loss of Handzus is a crippling blow. The Slovaks are deep on wingers but weak at centre and Handzus was counted to play some major minutes in this tournament as a key penalty killer and faceoff specialist. Montreal winger Richard Zednik is recovering from hernia surgery and doesn't know when he'll play. The core of this team led Slovakia to its first-ever IIHF world title in May 2002. The blue-line is average at best after Chara, and the goaltending is questionable with former Nashville Predators farmhand Jan Lasak the No. 1 man. Not quite the darkhorse team most had predicted after losing Handzus and Palffy.

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Sweden

Head coach: Hardy Nilsson.

IIHF world ranking: No. 2.

Record in '96: 3-1-0, third place.

Key players: F Peter Forsberg, F Mats Sundin, F Markus Naslund, F Daniel Alfredsson, D Nicklas Lidstrom.

Notable absences: None.

The skinny: A roster that rivals Canada in star quality. Other stars including F Henrik Zetterberg, F Fredrik Modin, D Kim Johnsson, D Mattias Norstrom and D Mattias Ohlund. The jury is out on how effective Forsberg will be as he battles a stomach problem. But the real question mark is in goal, where Toronto Maple Leafs farmhand Mikael Tellqvist will need to shine. Still, the Swedes are a big-time contender in this tournament.

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United States

Head coach: Ron Wilson.

IIHF world ranking: No. 6.

Record in '96: 6-1-0, won tournament.

Key players: F Mike Modano, D Brian Leetch, F Bill Guerin, F Doug Weight, F Keith Tkachuk.

Notable absences: D Derian Hatcher, D Hall Gill, D Jordan Leopold, D Mathieu Schneider.

The skinny: Don't expect a repeat of the '96 victory. The blue-line corps was depleted by losses of Hatcher, Schneider, Leopold and Gill, and the Americans simply don't have the depth to replace them as testimony by the additions of NHL rookies John-Michael Liles and Paul Martin. The goaltending is also a question mark although Robert Esche is coming off a breakthrough year in the NHL.


For you gambling types:
Odds from oddschecker.com
Proline odds for any Canadians who want to throw some money away at Sportselect.
Hehe I found a site called centrebet.com where you can bet on WC games. You can also gamble on Norwegian league preseason exhibition games - now that's hardcore. ;)
 

calder

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The Oly thread should be unstickied the second the marathon ends, and this bad boy can take it's place. :D
 
DJ_Tet said:
But do what you gotta do Mike, seems like I get banned every other day recently, so no sweat off my balls.
Coming into a thread dedicated to the World Cup of hockey and talking about hockey being a second class sport is not a bright move. Not only is this not the thread to discuss hockey's stature in the current sports market, but this isn't even the place to discuss revenue and franchise changes revolving around the CBA. That is for the NHL offseason thread.

So basically you fucked up a lot. I'm not going to ban you. I'm just going to delete both of our posts (save for this one so you can read it) and go by the self enforced mutual understanding that you are not to post in this thread again.

Now to get this back on track;

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TUESDAY
 

Socreges

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The "truth" about hockey is that it is much less popular in North America than the other major sports, but your description of "second class sport" can be taken several ways, so careful.

And I agree with Mike in that the College Football thread doesn't look popular enough to sustain a sticky. And the RNC thread won't be remotely civil (I hope to participate). Unless you, Ripclawe, Meier, Cooters, etc will, in fact, post replies such as *nod, nod, nod, nod*.
 

Gregory

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Hockey might be a second rate sport to americans, but ironically perhaps it`s your most international teamsport. World championships every year, olympics and World Cup.

Anyway, being a norwegian I`ll have to root for the finns. Or basically anyone but Sweden. ;)
 

Pochacco

asking dangerous questions
Bertuzzi is another "notable absent" from Canada's roster :(

The Swedes have a killer team - so much skill. They looked great in Salt Lake City before they were upset by Belarus..

Hopefully, the Canadian team will gel together and win!
 
Pochacco said:
Bertuzzi is another "notable absent" from Canada's roster :(

The Swedes have a killer team - so much skill. They looked great in Salt Lake City before they were upset by Belarus..

Hopefully, the Canadian team will gel together and win!
Who do the Swedes have in net?
 

FightyF

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Will the Swedes allow a certain man a chance to redeem himself?

Apparently even his parents in Sweden got harassed after that incident. Feel sorry for him.
 

Solid

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Mike Works said:
Who do the Swedes have in net?
Mikael Tellqvist is my bet. But also Tommy Salo and Mikael Lundqvist is there fighting for the position.

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Naslund, Forsberg and Zetterberg is supposed to be our best line. Let's hope they live up to the expectations tomorrow against Germany :D
 

dem

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Is CBC going to be replaying any of these games at night? How is anyone going to watch those afternoon games?
 

bishoptl

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That's TERRIBLE. Whoever asked some 2nd graders to design that jersey should be fired on the spot. All that mustard yellow looks like my son's diapers circa 3 months. Ick.

Anyone who is discounting Sweden because of the Salo debacle is making a mistake. The Czechs are still strong, and despite the USA's interesting decision to nuke a member of their defensive corps every 6 minutes, they've got a chance as well. Not that it matters...Canada is insanely strong in this tourney, and they're gelling as they go along. Somewhat reminiscent of the 2002 Olympics...
 
Finland scores 1-0, Woohoo! :D

Czechs defense plays pretty badly and Jagr looks like to be in a "summer shape"...maybe few pounds overweight? Kipper has made few great saves, but he hasnt faced that many shots... Vokoun has had lot more work to do.

edit: 0:30 into 3rd.... Lehtinen passes, Koivu scores! 2-0! :)

edit2: 3-0 :D
 

dem

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1-0 Jukka Hentunen (Niko Kapanen, Teppo Numminen)
2-0 Saku Koivu (Jere Lehtinen)
3-0 Niko Kapanen (Sami Salo, Ville Peltonen)
4-0 M.Eloranta (Timonen, M.Koivu)

Finland wins 4-0
 
Anyway, Czechs were pretty much useless today. Seems like no teamwork at all, and their condition seems to be pretty bad, especially when compared to Finns who traditionally train very hard even during the summer. But I predict Czech will improve....they have to...
 
The new jersey Team Canada is wearing is actually an old Winnipeg Falcons jersey. First team to win Olympic Gold for Canada. They going to wear it for one game so I don't see the big deal. I kind of like it. Nice little homage.

Any hoo. Kip with the shut out. Kinda funny how he usually bounces back from a loss with a shut out in the next game. Doh'eth! ;)
 
SystemShark said:
Any hoo. Kip with the shut out. Kinda funny how he usually bounces back from a loss with a shut out in the next game. Doh'eth! ;)
Curse you Tampa Bay! If you'd just let Calgary win the cup, Jagr wouldn't be so embarrased!
 

Tabris

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The "truth" about hockey is that it is much less popular in North America than the other major sports

What the hell? It may not be a popular sport in the US.

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...but the US only comprises half of North America :p

I don't think there is another sport in the entire world, that an entire country loves as much as we love Hockey. We being Canadians.
 

Socreges

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Tabris said:
What the hell? It may not be a popular sport in the US.

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...but the US only comprises half of North America :p

I don't think there is another sport in the entire world, that an entire country loves as much as we love Hockey. We being Canadians.
Yeah, that's super.

But "much less popular in North America than the other major sports" is obviously contingent on "not a popular sport in the US". I don't see any significance in what you're saying.

And btw, the US comprises 1/3 of North America. If you're going to use props to make points more elaborate, use them properly.
 

Gregory

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Finland was great today. I hope and think they can win the whole thing. The czechs were undefeated in their 3 exhibition games before the tournament so..
 

dem

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from hfboards...

There is no official word yet, but these are Canada's projected lines based on practice, rumour and word of mouth out of the Corel Centre...

Lemieux-Sakic-Iginla
Gagne-Richards-St. Louis
Draper-Lecavalier-Heatley
Maltby-Thornton-Doan

Redden-Jovo
Foote-Neidermeyer
Regehr-Brewer

Brodeur
Luongo

Scratches: Morrow, Marleau, Smyth, Hannan, Jay-Bo, Theo


I may have to murder Pat Quinn....
 

bishoptl

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SystemShark said:
The new jersey Team Canada is wearing is actually an old Winnipeg Falcons jersey. First team to win Olympic Gold for Canada. They going to wear it for one game so I don't see the big deal. I kind of like it. Nice little homage.
Old != good. Bleh.
 
nubbe said:
Sweden will definitely win thins.
No way we can lose with our OMEGA stars[/IMG]
Well its quite common for swedish press and fans to over hype their team and then cry when they dont win the whole tournament. On paper swedish team is as good as anyones (except their goaltending is a bit mystery), but since this is a short tournament, anything can happen.

Germany has been playing pretty good so far... naturally Sweden has been shooting and creating changes a lot more. Kolzig is still hanging on.

edit: lollerz, Germany has their first scoring change...and Sturm scores!! 1-1! =)
 

Solid

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Salo sucks.. I hate that man since the olympics!

Anyway, we won I'm glad for that. Let's hope for a better match tomorrow against the Czechs though. Näslund and Forsberg needs to play better. But on the same time I can't blame them for having a hard time against a shitty team like Germany, who only played defence the match through.

And I hope Canada wins tonight. Anything but USA and Finland :D
 

dem

Member
Apparently Alfie and Sundin were really clickin. I wish CBC would replay these games at night... sigh
 

calder

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I need to get my ass fired so I can watch the Euro pool games. :p And to think I had last week off... I'm an idiot.



And you all better recognize the Falcons!
Old != good. Bleh.
Gold medal + 'Peggers = gooder than good
 

Socreges

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Project Midway said:
On paper swedish team is as good as anyones
I'm going to predictably disagree. I think Sweden has a wealth of awesome, awesome players, but doesn't quite have the depth of Canada. That doesn't mean they won't be fairly evenly matched on the ice, though.
 

SantaC

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Deepthroat said:
Salo sucks.. I hate that man since the olympics!

Anyway, we won I'm glad for that. Let's hope for a better match tomorrow against the Czechs though. Näslund and Forsberg needs to play better. But on the same time I can't blame them for having a hard time against a shitty team like Germany, who only played defence the match through.

And I hope Canada wins tonight. Anything but USA and Finland :D

Agree. I dont want to see Salo anymore.
 

nubbe

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Never forget

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Salo was great when he was younger… but he has been past his prime since a few years past.

I don’t understand why Germany is in the league… they aren’t anywhere near the level of the other teams, that wasn’t even a warm-up match.
 
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