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Phil Spencer: We're not going to put walls up on our games

Topher

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Certainly possible.

I'm still sort of wondering that they've dropped near 100B and all that time could have had a major loss leading push hardware wise with some pretty extreme specs at an irrestible price.

Instant install base and without the need for exclusives while being another channel for this publisher strategy.

They have lots of avenues and clearly are intent on supporting new console hardware so I'm hoping it's not just a hat in the ring entry and goes one/some of a few ways -
  • Specs beyond what other platforms can reasonably support financially
  • Unique features only their hardware can support
  • Lower price point massively loss lead
  • Multiple SKUs more extreme than S vs X of current gen, give us a real performance option
  • Hybrid handheld model similar to Switch e.g. dockable, upgradeable, docked = higher perf etc.
  • AR/VR/handheld revolution
  • AI perf out the ass, leveraging all those years of Azure AI investment

All I know is they have to have come up with something different than what they have been doing. I'm still thinking hybrid PC/console with a handheld to come later. My guess it will be expensive. It very well could be one the more interesting hardware reveals in console history.
 

DAHGAMING

Gold Member
Dudes a fraud. Took me a couple of years to come round but the guys a cunt.

Reminds me of Tony Blair.



Right, into the black book of death for you, I can let alot go but to put the lord and saviour in the same category as that cunt is nothing short of a desgracia. Whenever I see him, or hear of hes name I think of this cunting advert and that fucking song, along with the start of the downfall of our great nation. Now im going to have that shit in my head and I hope you do too and think about what you have said and the impact that comparison may have on him
 

Three

Member
All I know is they have to have come up with something different than what they have been doing. I'm still thinking hybrid PC/console with a handheld to come later. My guess it will be expensive. It very well could be one the more interesting hardware reveals in console history.
My guess is that this leaked slide is still true to a large extent

screenshot-2023-09-19-095554-1695115412272.png


They're likely to create a thin OS that gets licensed to manufacturers but also have expensive 'halo' (not the game) devices akin to surface.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
My guess is that this leaked slide is still true to a large extent

screenshot-2023-09-19-095554-1695115412272.png


They're likely to create a thin OS that gets licensed to manufacturers but also have expensive 'halo' (not the game) devices akin to surface.

I'd forgot about that. Definitely leans into the AI buzzword soup MS has been pushing lately.
 

clarky

Gold Member


Right, into the black book of death for you, I can let alot go but to put the lord and saviour in the same category as that cunt is nothing short of a desgracia. Whenever I see him, or hear of hes name I think of this cunting advert and that fucking song, along with the start of the downfall of our great nation. Now im going to have that shit in my head and I hope you do too and think about what you have said and the impact that comparison may have on him

Things can only get better.
 
Phil isn't calling the shots anymore, that much is obvious.
It has to be a tough pill to swallow. His public persona is so tied to him being the savior of Xbox. And they finally have the games to dominate the mindshare, only to realize that the financial gain to be exclusive isn't worth it anymore, especially this late in the generation
 

damidu

Member
He probably single handely kept Xbox in business and somehow convinced Microsoft to Invest 100+ billion in gaming. I've never owned an Xbox in my life, but gaming would look dramatically different if it wasn't for Phil
he had zero impact, bethesda and activision were third party publishers, after 100billions burnt they are still third party publishers. console is doing worse than friggin xbone
and his genius subscription revolution dream is in shambles
 
I dont think he has contributed anything positive of note. History will not be kind.
Xbox is now the biggest publisher in gaming, alongside Tencent.. Instead of Microsoft exiting the industry, as early as 2017, they've invested 100+billion$, in large part because of Phil. And as things stand currently, Xbox studios are heavily focused on SP experiences, not chasing trends with gaas games
 

Cakeboxer

Member
He probably single handely kept Xbox in business and somehow convinced Microsoft to Invest 100+ billion in gaming. I've never owned an Xbox in my life, but gaming would look dramatically different if it wasn't for Phil
People can hate this guy for whatever reason they want. From a customer perspective, no matter if pc or Xbox, this guy saved millions of gamers shitloads of money with Game Pass and continues to do so.
Pretty sure PS5 wouldn't have PS4 bc without him, also no crossgen games (yes those are good for casuals), no Xbox games and Sony would still block crossplay with other consoles.

He tried lots of things, nothing worked so he and Xbox failed in the end. But it wasn't all bad.
 

GHG

Gold Member
Pretty sure PS5 wouldn't have PS4 bc without him, also no crossgen games (yes those are good for casuals), no Xbox games and Sony would still block crossplay with other consoles.

Playstation consoles had backwards compatibility and crossplay long before this strange Phil Spencer alternate reality delusion was a thing.

He tried lots of things, nothing worked so he and Xbox failed in the end. But it wasn't all bad.

Him being elevated to a leadership position at Xbox perfectly aligns with when they started to go downhill. So yes, it has been all bad.
 
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Miyazaki’s Slave

Gold Member
Was concerned by his appearance in the still images but watching the video he looks far more lively than the pics would make him out to be.
Don't care what team the guy plays for, he's been in the industry (and worked for its betterment at many stages and roles he has held) for ages, no way do I want him going out due to some bs illness.

Prostrated at the feet of the actual industry GOAT (Nintendo of course) is the only way I wanna see Phil retire.
 
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Cakeboxer

Member
Playstation consoles had backwards compatibility and crossplay long before this strange Phil Spencer alternate reality delusion was a thing.
PS4 didn't have it, Xbox One had it. Also Ryan said at that time nobody wants it and yet suddenly PS5 had it again. Also as far as i know Sony blocked crossplay with Switch and Xbox at first with some "we have to protect our younger players" excuse until Spencer called them out public.
 
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Miyazaki’s Slave

Gold Member
this is what, in 3-4 years or so?
yeah its textbook ozempic id say.
not necessarily unhealthy, but rapid weight loss tend to make your face appear ghoulish.
Nah, lost 100 lbs in a little over 8 months and in my late 40's, no Ozempic, and I look fan friggin'tastic


Red Wave Dancing GIF by PBS News
 
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I wish he would come out and say “My ass is tired and I am handing over the reigns to someone else"

That is being done with Matt Booty and Sarah Bond already, replacing him as head of Microsoft Gaming and her as the head of Xbox.

Though hard to walk away from jobs that pays 8 figures (at least used to pay that dunno what he makes now)

Satya made 80 million last year in total (compensation), 2.5 million in cash and the rest in stock/assets. There's no way Phil is making 9 figs.
 

Skifi28

Member
PS4 didn't have it, Xbox One had it. That's why i think PS5 had it again. Also as far as i know Sony blocked crossplay with Switch and Xbox at first.
PS4 didn't have it because they either had to emulate the PS3 which would be impossible with that level of hardware or have the cell built in which would be too expensive. Ps4 to 5 was x86 amd to x86 amd so BC was child's play in comparison, I don't think Xbox had anything to do with it. Also, If I remember correctly 360 to Xbone BC was just a select few titles anyway.
 
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Cakeboxer

Member
PS4 didn't have it because they either had to emulate the PS3 which would be impossible with that level of hardware or have the cell built in which would be too expensive. Ps4 to 5 was x86 amd to x86 amd so BC was child's play in comparison, I don't think Xbox had anything to do with ot. Also, If I remember correctly 360 to Xbone BC was just a select few titles anyway.
If i remember it correctly Sony called it challenging or something like that, not impossible. But Jim Ryan also said most gamers don't care about backwards compatibility and wouldn't use it, because nobody wants to play old games. That's why i think PS4 Bc only exists thanks to Xbox, but people can of course believe whatever they want.
 

Skifi28

Member
If i remember it correctly Sony called it challenging or something like that, not impossible. But Jim Ryan also said most gamers don't care about backwards compatibility and wouldn't use it, because nobody wants to play old games. That's why i think PS4 Bc only exists thanks to Xbox, but people can of course believe whatever they want.
Challenging is one way of putting it. I really don't think you can emulate the cell on the jaguar, even on the ps5 it'd be a challenge based on the existing PS3 emulators we have. But yes, people will believe what they want in the end.
 
he had zero impact, bethesda and activision were third party publishers, after 100billions burnt they are still third party publishers. console is doing worse than friggin xbone
and his genius subscription revolution dream is in shambles
Bethesda, Activision, and Blizzard were in complete shambles before Microsoft purchased them. It's still too early to see the impact Microsoft will have, but you are crazy to think both Bethesda and Activision were on the same path before being acquired

Bethesda is the most glaring example, so far. They had a terrible release of FO76, they ruined Arkane Austin by chasing gaas, and as mediocre as Starfield was, Microsoft gave them an extra year+ to release it in a mostly polished state

But I give Phil more credit for investment in smaller studios. Obsidian is seemingly pumping out games every 1.5 years. Undead labs is developing a AAA State of Decay game. Inexile is developing it's first AAA game. Playground Games has been given the chance to develop a huge blockbuster game in Fable. Microsoft is willing to spend a ton of money on game development that they weren't doing 6 years ago. Phil deserves credit for that
 

Hudo

Gold Member
Bethesda, Activision, and Blizzard were in complete shambles before Microsoft purchased them. It's still too early to see the impact Microsoft will have, but you are crazy to think both Bethesda and Activision were on the same path before being acquired

Bethesda is the most glaring example, so far. They had a terrible release of FO76, they ruined Arkane Austin by chasing gaas, and as mediocre as Starfield was, Microsoft gave them an extra year+ to release it in a mostly polished state

But I give Phil more credit for investment in smaller studios. Obsidian is seemingly pumping out games every 1.5 years. Undead labs is developing a AAA State of Decay game. Inexile is developing it's first AAA game. Playground Games has been given the chance to develop a huge blockbuster game in Fable. Microsoft is willing to spend a ton of money on game development that they weren't doing 6 years ago. Phil deserves credit for that
He also resurrected Age of Empires, which Don Mattrick killed off completely (by closing Ensemble Studios and declaring pc-gaming IPs as "dead").
 

Hudo

Gold Member
And you could say the same thing about Ninja Gaiden. By all reports, Phil went to Team Ninja and Platnium games to develop NG4 many years ago
If so, then kudos to him. It's also interesting that Platinum would work with Xbox again (and vice-versa) after Scalebound.
 

peish

Member
this is what, in 3-4 years or so?
yeah its textbook ozempic id say.
not necessarily unhealthy, but rapid weight loss tend to make your face appear ghoulish.

4 years is a long time when he reach male menopause.

He should just step down, i am sure he has millions in his bank account. Most of us can only dream such financial freedom
 

GHG

Gold Member
PS4 didn't have it, Xbox One had it. That's why i think PS5 had it again. Also as far as i know Sony blocked crossplay with Switch and Xbox at first.

You are free to believe that if you wish to ignore the wholesale architectural differences between the hardware when going from the PS3 to PS4 which was due to them taking a new developer led approach. The PS5 iterates on the PS4 and they've gone on record saying that when they first approached AMD they wanted to ensure the new hardware could emulate ps4 software out of the box.

Xbox pushed heavily for crossplay because about mid way through the Xbox One generation lobbies on less popular multiplayer games no longer had a healthy population on their platform. That's the reality, because when the tables were turned during the 360 generation they were the ones who avoided the crossplay conversation.


"Microsoft won't let Sony players play against them."

A Microsoft spokesperson agreed with that sentiment: "We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

People attempting to give Microsoft (and any individual exec at Microsoft) credit for stuff that happens on other platforms will always be the most bizarre and delusional thing to come out of this whole situation.
 

Alan Wake

Member
I'm just gonna copy paste my earlier comment on X/Twitter here:

It is somewhat a shift towards a better direction which I applaud. I do still think (no doubt) that the "XBOX console" brand will suffer because of this direction, but in the end Microsoft could gain big $$$ in a larger market.
Like I've said before: bad for Xbox, good for Microsoft Gaming. We can all figure out what really matters to them.
 

Cakeboxer

Member
You are free to believe that if you wish to ignore the wholesale architectural differences between the hardware when going from the PS3 to PS4 which was due to them taking a new developer led approach. The PS5 iterates on the PS4 and they've gone on record saying that when they first approached AMD they wanted to ensure the new hardware could emulate ps4 software out of the box.

Xbox pushed heavily for crossplay because about mid way through the Xbox One generation lobbies on less popular multiplayer games no longer had a healthy population on their platform. That's the reality, because when the tables were turned during the 360 generation they were the ones who avoided the crossplay conversation.

See my other posts. After Xbox One made BC, Ryan said it's bullshit and nobody wants it. Why does PS5 have it then if it's bullshit? PS3 Bc was hard, not impossible. And of course Spencer wanted to have crossplay for his own purposes. Nothing is "for the players", it's all about business. But Sony at first had that lame excuse and finally agreed fter Spencer kept complaining.
People attempting to give Microsoft (and any individual exec at Microsoft) credit for stuff that happens on other platforms will always be the most bizarre and delusional thing to come out of this whole situation.
People only hating and not giving any credits at all are the most delusional to me. But like i already said, people can believe whatver they want, we'll never get a confirmation what's actually the truth. Not everything Xbox/Spencer was bad. Maybe we also get PS games on pc because of Spencer, who knows.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
My guess is that this leaked slide is still true to a large extent

screenshot-2023-09-19-095554-1695115412272.png


They're likely to create a thin OS that gets licensed to manufacturers but also have expensive 'halo' (not the game) devices akin to surface.
Whatever route they go down, saturating the market with multiple Xbox SKUs is not the way. They should choose one machine and price it cheap. Whether that’s a handheld or a home console. They shouldn’t be going for the PS6 power bracket but it shouldn’t be as nerfed as a Series S either.
 
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