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[Tobor]

We're a sad group of chumps, aren't we? I'm waiting for the update before bed, too.

God. How pathetic.... :lol

At least we're pathetic for a good cause.

 

[kkaabboomm]

We're a sad group of chumps, aren't we? I'm waiting for the update before bed, too.

God. How pathetic.... :lol

i finished my civpro homework and have been watching colbert before going and doing torts, i was hoping nates update would overlap with krammer on colbert so i can get back to work at midnight...

but yeah, still, yeah...

 

[Zeliard]

We're a sad group of chumps, aren't we? I'm waiting for the update before bed, too.

God. How pathetic.... :lol

Hopium is some addictive shit.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I agree to some extent, but I honestly believe with every objective fiber that I can muster, that the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity and Rush do what they do a lot more egregiously and maliciously than Olbermann does what he does. For example, Olbermann does stretch the truth a lot, but he rarely ever flat-out lies in the way that those three do (as various fact checks have shown). Olbermann also never says anything can be construed as even remotely hateful or discriminatory towards a certain ethnicity/race/religion/etc as those three have done over and over, with no consequence. He directs his rage mostly at policies and individual public figures, rather than, say, every single liberal and left-leaning person in the country.

There are some pretty significant differences between them, considerably moreso than the similarities, most of which lie on the surface.

I agree 100 percent with you. However, I have to deal with people who live by the words of Rush and Hannity and listen to them daily. I just try to make sure that I don't fall into a hypocritical trap. Yes, I do think that Olbermann is more fair (though not more balanced) in his analysis. But I also don't discount the possibility that I go easier on him simply because I agree with a lot of his opinions. As a counterpoint, I know people who actually think that Hannity is a fair commentator. It's ludicrous to me, but there's an outside chance that I might just think that because I don't agree with most of what people on the far right believe.

 

[speculawyer]

Even negative stories on Obama seem a net positive . . . :lol

Obama awarded Illinois grants to relative's group

By CHRISTOPHER WILLS, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 32 minutes ago

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - As a state senator, Democrat Barack Obama awarded $75,000 in government grants to a Chicago social service organization led by a rabbi who is also his wife's cousin, records show.

In 1999, Obama arranged for $50,000 for adult literacy and counseling services offered on Chicago's South Side by a group called Blue Gargoyle. A $25,000 grant for the group's youth services followed the next year.

The group's executive director when the grants were awarded was Capers Funnye, a South Side rabbi and Michelle Obama's first cousin once removed.

Funnye (pronounced fun-NAY) said Monday there was nothing improper about the way Blue Gargoyle obtained the grants. Obama did not encourage him to apply for the money, he said, and Funnye denied using family connections to pressure Obama to approve the application.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/obama_legislative_grants

So . . . $75,000 in government grants to a Chicago social service organization led by a rabbi who is also his wife's cousin.

$75K to a charitable organization! OH NOES!!!

And to a Rabbi? There goes the Muslim conspiracy theories. :lol

 

[Danthrax]

OMG Jim Cramer just said he thinks Colbert is making a lot of sense :lol

To be fair, it's in reference to his suggestion that people invest in food companies like Campbell's and Kellogg's, which IS a good idea.

 

[mckmas8808]

240,000 views, in less than 24 hours.

Keep sharing that link!

John McCain's "Ahem" after saying his oath "I do" was a sure sign of a liar.

It's at 395,000 views now!

 

[Gruco]

While waiting for the 538 update you can check out a TNR piece on Palin's days of getting started in politics in Alaska. I mean, everyone already knows how awful she is, so it's basically fuel for the fire. Vendettas, incompetence and fundie crazy! Our girl has the trifecta.

Sarah Barracuda

 

[Particle Physicist]

Even negative stories on Obama seem a net positive . . . :lol


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/obama_legislative_grants

So . . . $75,000 in government grants to a Chicago social service organization led by a rabbi who is also his wife's cousin.

$75K to a charitable organization! OH NOES!!!

And to a Rabbi? There goes the Muslim conspiracy theories. :lol

:lol that might actually end up helping him out in florida!

 

[Fatalah]

Funnye (pronounced fun-NAY) said Monday there was nothing improper about the way Blue Gargoyle obtained the grants.

AWESOME!

"Hello, this is Mr. Fun-NAY"

 

[Stoney Mason]

Going to bed but to repeat once again I'm seeing a shitload of Obama FLA ads down here. A shitload. I see them all the time. He has to have spent a ton of money here in the last two weeks.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

OMG Jim Cramer just said he thinks Colbert is making a lot of sense :lol

To be fair, it's in reference to his suggestion that people invest in food companies like Campbell's and Kellogg's, which IS a good idea.

Hearing him talking about Fannie and Freddie, he (Cramer) has agreed with the right-wing commentator talking point about how a lot of the subprime crisis was the result of Clinton and the Democrats.

Here's my question: why has that not really permeated through to the campaign and mainstream media narratives? It seems like an obvious, if hollow blame-shifting maneuver, yet most credible sources don't seem to be running with it. I'm curious as to why.

 

[Vestal]

Hearing him talking about Fannie and Freddie, he (Cramer) has agreed with the right-wing commentator talking point about how a lot of the subprime crisis was the result of Clinton and the Democrats.

Here's my question: why has that not really permeated through to the campaign and mainstream media narratives? It seems like an obvious, if hollow blame-shifting maneuver, yet most credible sources don't seem to be running with it. I'm curious as to why.

Because Cramer is not the god know it all he thinks he is, and there is plenty of blame to be thrown on both sides.

 

[StoOgE]

Hearing him talking about Fannie and Freddie, he (Cramer) has agreed with the right-wing commentator talking point about how a lot of the subprime crisis was the result of Clinton and the Democrats.

Here's my question: why has that not really permeated through to the campaign and mainstream media narratives? It seems like an obvious, if hollow blame-shifting maneuver, yet most credible sources don't seem to be running with it. I'm curious as to why.

Well Cramer is a free market capitalist who is anti-regulation. I mean, he's a hedge fund manager.

He isnt a journalist and he isnt impratial.

Also, blaming poor people = stupid politically.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Because Cramer is not the god know it all he thinks he is, and there is plenty of blame to be thrown on both sides.

Oh, no, I know Cramer isn't some bastion of ultimate economic knowledge. What I'm saying is that I've now seen this argument coming from a wide-variety of sources. I'm curious as to why McCain and the RNC haven't at least TRIED this angle once. The commentators are out there running with it, why aren't the politicians?

Also, blaming poor people = stupid politically.

But they wouldn't be blaming poor people, they'd be blaming Democrats -- which they're perfectly comfortable doing.

 

[Vestal]

*sigh*
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/racist-newspaper-attack-on-oba.php

FREEDOM
OF RELIGION: Mandatory Black Liberation Theology classes taught in all
churches - raise taxes to pay for this mandate. Put Rev. Jeremiah
Wright in charge...."

"DRUG CRISIS: Raise taxes to pay for free drugs for Obama’s inner-city political base...."

"2ND
AMENDMENT: Under Obama will only apply to gang-bangers, illegal aliens,
Islamo-Fascist terrorists, and Senator Jim Webb’s aide...."

"FOREIGN
RELATIONS: Appoint Rev. Al Sharpton as Secretary of State, Jesse
Jackson as UN Representative, and let Bill Clinton handle all other
"foreign relations" ... As long as Hillary doesn't find out...!"

"THE
WHITE HOUSE: Hire rapper Ludacris to “paint it black.” Taxes to be
increased to buy enough paint for the job plus spray-paint for
graffiti...."

"THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES: Raise taxes to send $845
billion, most of it to Africa so the Obama family there can skim off
enough for them to free their goats and live the American Dream...."

"NATIONAL ANTHEM: Change to the "Black National Anthem" by James Weldon Johnson...."

"US
CURRENCY: Update photos to reflect US diversity; include pictures of
"great Americans" such as Oprah Winfrey, Ludacris, Sheila Jackson-Lee,
Paris Hilton, and Louisiana Congressman William Jefferson (Obama's new
Secretary of the Treasury - 50 Cent refused position after learning
that he would lose his crazy check if he accepted the nomination)...."

"US
FLAG: Replace 50 stars with a star and crescent logo; red stripes
changed to green to represent Obama’s tree-hugging radical
environmentalism and his lack of experience. Flag lapel pins, having
become a substitute for “real patriotism,” will henceforth be
banned...."

 

[Imm0rt4l]

We're a sad group of chumps, aren't we? I'm waiting for the update before bed, too.

God. How pathetic.... :lol

you know whats pathetic? I was watching the view today and the first thing I said is "where's Joy?"

what update are we talking about.

 

[JCX]

Does anyone have a link to the picture that showed how often Obama and McCain said certain words during the first debate?

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Hearing him talking about Fannie and Freddie, he (Cramer) has agreed with the right-wing commentator talking point about how a lot of the subprime crisis was the result of Clinton and the Democrats.

Here's my question: why has that not really permeated through to the campaign and mainstream media narratives? It seems like an obvious, if hollow blame-shifting maneuver, yet most credible sources don't seem to be running with it. I'm curious as to why.

Im wondering the same thing

 

[Xirj]

*sigh*
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/racist-newspaper-attack-on-oba.php

wow.

 

[reilo]

Oh shit.

I just noticed Pollster.com has it leaning Blue. :lol

And Colorado!

 

[Zeliard]

I agree 100 percent with you. However, I have to deal with people who live by the words of Rush and Hannity and listen to them daily. I just try to make sure that I don't fall into a hypocritical trap. Yes, I do think that Olbermann is more fair (though not more balanced) in his analysis. But I also don't discount the possibility that I go easier on him simply because I agree with a lot of his opinions. As a counterpoint, I know people who actually think that Hannity is a fair commentator. It's ludicrous to me, but there's an outside chance that I might just think that because I don't agree with most of what people on the far right believe.

True, but Hannity and Rush really do lie a lot. It's one thing to consistently spout far right talking points, which is fair (unless your network's slogan is "fair and balanced" that is), but it's another thing entirely to simply lie or spread FUD. Rush very recently said on his show that "Obama is an Arab" and started talking shit, disparaging Obama, Arabs and Muslims in the process. Hannity has been doing similar things, in his rabid desperation.

Never will you hear anything remotely like that coming from Olbermann or any of the other liberal public figures, which is why I'm perfectly fine feeling better about myself as someone who agrees with Olbermann compared to someone who agrees with the likes of Hannity and Rush.

 

[BobTheFork]

*sigh*
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/racist-newspaper-attack-on-oba.php

YEah that got posted earlier today in the other thread. It's really disgusting and pathetic but so much so that I don't think normal humans take it seriously.

 

[Joe]

does anyone have links to the newest real time with bill maher? i can't find it anywhere.

 

[speculawyer]

Olbermann called the AIP terrorists, though.

Do people in Great Britain regularly call the Scottish National Party terrorists?

Then again, Olbermann's not just some generic person, he's a media pundit blowhard tardfuck, but hey.

I suppose it goes without saying that you could find some media pundit blowhard tardfuck in GB that would call the SNP terrorists, but it don't make it so until they're "Guy Fawkes"-ing Parliament.

Terrorists is a bit strong . . . but the AIP was not exactly founded on love of the USA.

You get to think why the hell do I owe them anything and then you get mad; and you say to hell with them; and you renounce allegiance; and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life, to Alaska; that is how I do it; I am an Alaskan; they know it; I've told them to go to hell in every way I can in a nice way; I took a case to the Supreme Court believing in the Supreme Court, but I'd rather be tried in a whorehouse with the madam as the Judge; there is more Justice in a whorehouse than in the Supreme Court; and if they don't like they know where they can go; ..... and if you think I am ever going to forget that, the fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American Government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag; I'll be buried in Dawson and when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones back to Alaska, back to my country.

 

[johnsmith]

Hey guys. Not everybody watches the daily show at 11 eastern so please don't ruin the show for the rest of us.

 

[Trakdown]

*sigh*
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/racist-newspaper-attack-on-oba.php

I don't want whatever fucking brain tumor you would need to have to believe this shit.

 

[Clevinger]

True, but Hannity and Rush really do lie a lot. It's one thing to consistently spout far right talking points, which is fair (unless your network's slogan is "fair and balanced" that is), but it's another thing entirely to simply lie or spread FUD. Rush very recently said on his show that "Obama is an Arab" and started talking shit, disparaging Obama, Arabs and Muslims in the process. Hannity has been doing similar things, in his rabid desperation.

Never will you hear anything remotely like that coming from Olbermann or any of the other liberal public figures, which is why I'm perfectly fine feeling better about myself as someone who agrees with Olbermann compared to someone who agrees with the likes of Hannity and Rush.

The left has its nutcases as well, it's just nobody listens to them (where as the Republican nutcases dominate radio and a cable channel). Mike Malloy and Randy Rhodes come to mind.

 

[Fatalah]

Hey guys. Not everybody watches the daily show at 11 eastern so please don't ruin the show for the rest of us.

I know it must be annoying to read the comments, but if you take away PoliGaf's instant reaction to items on the TV, then what else do we have?

 

[mckmas8808]

I hate to see so much racism happening right now, but at the sametime I'm glad soooo many white people see what us black people have been talking about for YEARS!!!

This bullshit is what we've been going through for so long. But I'm also happy that so many good white people see it for what it is. Times are changing and the racist don't want to let go.

 

[Fatalah]

I hate to see so much racism happening right now, but at the sametime I'm glad soooo many white people see what us black people have been talking about for YEARS!!!

This bullshit is what we've been going through for so long. But I'm also happy that so many good white people see it for what it is. Times are changing and the racist don't want to let go.

Hey, I had no idea you were black! Cooool, I have a black friend!

 

[Tamanon]

http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/10/under-the-watch.html

Constantly under the watchful eyes of security, the media wasn't permitted to wander around inside Coachman Park to talk to Sarah Palin supporters. When reporters tried to leave the designated press area and head toward the bleachers where the crowd was seated, an escort would dart out of nowhere and confront him or her and say, "Can I help you?'' and turn the person around. When one reporter asked an escort, who would not give her name, why the press wasn't allowed to mingle, she said that in the past, negative things had been written. The campaign wanted to avoid that possibility Monday.

Hm.....I can understand not giving interviews....but not allowing reporters to interview SUPPORTERS at a rally.....that's incredibly shady.

 

[mckmas8808]

Hey, I had no idea you were black! Cooool, I have a black friend!

Joke post?

 

[kkaabboomm]

where's the text?

I should have asked this the first time I saw one of those graphs but what does the winning percentage chart actually mean?

they run like 10K simulations a day, the winning percentage is the % of those each candidate won

 

[Trakdown]

http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/10/under-the-watch.html



Hm.....I can understand not giving interviews....but not allowing reporters to interview SUPPORTERS at a rally.....that's incredibly shady.

And they said all Obama had was a speech.

 

[BobTheFork]

I should have asked this the first time I saw one of those graphs but what does the winning percentage chart actually mean?

 

[StoOgE]

Joke post?

CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Mccain's EV go up, WP goes down. okey doke.

 

[StoOgE]

where's the text?

text always comes later.

 

[Trakdown]

I should have asked this the first time I saw one of those graphs but what does the winning percentage chart actually mean?

538 runs thousands of simulations based on polling. The Win % is the amount of times Obama wins out of those simulations.

 

[Tamanon]

Mccain's EV go up, WP goes down. okey doke.

It's because Obama's electoral votes become more solid in spots.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

88.5 WIN PERCENTAGE

 

[StoOgE]

Mccain's EV go up, WP goes down. okey doke.

It makes sense. McCain has to run the table on about 5 swing states states to win this thing.

His chances of winning one of the states probably improved today. His odds of winning several of the others went down.

 

[BobTheFork]

538 runs thousands of simulations based on polling. The Win % is the amount of times Obama wins out of those simulations.

Ah thank you. That's an interesting way of looking at it.

 

[Fatalah]

Joke post?

Well, of course I have other black friends. That part is joking for sure. But I really don't know anything about my fellow PoliGaffers. I just assumed you were Irish because of your forum name! :lol

 

[mckmas8808]

where's the text?

We're now going to break out the projected result in Maine and Nebraska's congressional districts explicitly for you, as both states award one vote to the winner of each CD.

The simulation has always been doing this behind the scenes, but given the extra attention these states have gotten from the campaigns, we have made the procedure more robust. Specifically, we are now using our regression analysis to allocate the vote within each state according to our standard litany of demographic variables and political metrics. (Before, we had simply been using the 2004 vote). I do NOT intend to use polls from these districts, mostly because there aren't very many of them, and where we have them they are subject to very small sample sizes (a 600-person poll of Nebraska means only about 200 voters in each CD).

E-2, which essentially overlaps the city of Omaha, is Obama's best opportunity to pick up an electoral vote in Nebraska. Our model estimates that it will run about 12 points more favorable for Obama than the state as a whole. Right now, Nebraska probably isn't quite tight enough for it to matter, although there may be a fudge factor if Obama has a turnout operation there and McCain doesn't. Nebraska's 1st Congressional District, covering the college town of Lincoln and the Eastern portion of the state, is also theoretically winnable for Obama. He'll get crushed, meanwhile, in Western Nebraska. If John McCain has a nervous breakdown and replaces himself on the ticket with Jack Abramoff, Obama might win 537 electoral votes -- with Western Nebraska being the holdout.

Here's the text.

 

[HylianTom]

I wasn't around here in 2004.. are we going to have an electoral map prediction contest?

edit: :lol

 

[The Lamonster]

Is it just me, or does Missouri have a smack of blue...?

 

[Gruco]

Why those are very interesting colors I am seeing around IN and MO.

 

[mckmas8808]

Well, of course I have other black friends. That part is joking for sure. But I really don't know anything about my fellow PoliGaffers. I just assumed you were Irish because of your forum name! :lol

Irish? :lol

Nah man.