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Quarantine Mafia |OT| The Contagion is spreading.
- Thread starter Dusk Soldier
- Start date
We examine them. Pick at them.
This isn't a black or white decision where we either kick them out or leave them in all game.
Kark is a known entity, let's make someone else Director so we can learn about them.
This isn't an entirely awful plan, but it does have some risks. Namely we have to ensure that we don't get this turned around on us in D2. Another risk is given he is the initial infected, it could be that he has some additional power we do not know about. In the case that it's something that allows him to maneuver into living an extra day then that will not be a great position to be in.
My other main issue with this plan is it gives up all potential benefit the role can grant to us.
I believe the Director is a negative utility like I told Kawl earlier, unless they have some other ability/power that we don't know about besides the 3-votes.
Basically, if a Townie gets it we have to hope they never get infected AND that their lynch choices are correct since they hold a big chunk of votes.
If a Scum gets it that should be fairly self-explanatory why that would be a bad thing.
Since an Infection mechanic may be present we won't ever be able to fully trust the Director. I say get that out of the way now ( or next Day phase to be accurate ) so we can focus on actually scum hunting.
Ok, let's play this out
We vote Kark director then lynch him on day 2. What if he doesn't die? What do we do then.
Does anyone still believe his cure story?
How many Scum do you believe we started with? Do you think we have an infection mechanic in play?
Exactly why I said we need to be in agreement if we want to go forward with this plan. If a majority of us are not on board to lynch Director Kark tomorrow then we can not go through with it since he will hold 3-votes.
It's possible he has more than what he is letting on, it's also possible if we give the Director to an Infected they become stronger and the game gets a lot harder, but it's also possible he is telling the truth. I'm working with what has been said so far and, to me at least, this seems like the best plan going forward.
Personally I feel the negatives outweigh the positives of the Director.
If the infections are random we don't have to worry to much about the Director at the start of the game. Our main concern was that the Director would be infected quickly but if they are random we don't have to worry that much. Having 3 votes is not a big concern this early in the game and even if the Director is infected he can't comunicate with the rest of the team until Night 3 when the third infected join the scum chat. Also he shouldn't know who else is his partner so he would need to be extra careful. So at least until day 4 we don't have to worry to much about it.
I would prefer to give the role to someone else and see what we do after we read Kark's PM.
We cry 'unbalanced', I throw myself down a hole for fucking up that badly, and then we continue on with the game.
I can see their being a cure given we have multiple levels of Infected already mentioned and if we are to believe Kark's story then a new Scum Member will appear every Day and we would need a counter to that or else we would lose very quickly.
For now I'm tentatively willing to side with your plan. I have also said before that there's a greater chance than not that the director role backfires on us. Given it's safe to assume a large majority of players could be turned against us if this infection mechanic is true I would feel better with it being out of the game than to give it to someone I can't trust. My main preference is still to be made director myself, but should that not be an option come day end I will likely side with you in this.
You've already made it clear you expect to be turned to scum. I think there's little benefit to making you director.
Also I don't believe Kark at all. If what he's saying is true we are playing a totally broken game.
Kark is saying that the infected grow exponentially so by night 3 there would be 8 infected if we do at least one mislynch. So lylo. And that's not counting if the infected can kill as the flavour said. In that case we are lylo day 3.
This can't be a game like that. I don't think the mods would allow it.
Kark is saying that the infected grow exponentially so by night 3 there would be 8 infected if we do at least one mislynch. So lylo. And that's not counting if the infected can kill as the flavour said. In that case we are lylo day 3.
This can't be a game like that. I don't think the mods would allow it.
? I don't expect it. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, but my personal understanding shouldn't affect the way the game actually plays out.
So you're now claiming if you're made director you do not expect to be made into scum?
If there is something I've learned playing here is that RNG is an asshole and is never on your side. IF infections are random then it's not entirely impossible that the chosen Director gets hit, it's a very slim chance, but it's still possible and I'm not willing to give them a pass just because the chance is low.
Who is your current Director choice? And how would you know if they suddenly became Scum or not?
Uh, I've been saying, for the entire game, that I expect the Director to be targeted for infection on N1. Now, if it is random like Kark says or if we have a protective role, then I have no idea.
If that is true that would mean that can cure a infected and he can tell us who their partners are to end the game quickly. Again a broken game, but this time for scum.
The idea of the 2 phase infected seems the best so far. We can cure only the infected who are level 1 and that they don't participate in the scum chat yet so they don't know their partners. Curing beyond that would be really broken. So Kark is beyond redemption and he should just be killed.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see how Scum would grow exponentially?
From my understanding of what Kark has said is the Recruiter recruits when the become a Level 2 Infected and that's it. They do not Recruit after that and simply gain access to Scum Chat.
So we would basically run into the scenario of:
Day 1 - 1 Scum
Night 1 - Scum Infects someone
Day 2 - 2 Scum ( one with Chat Access and one without )
Night 2 - Scum Infects someone
Day 3 - 3 Scum ( two with Chat Access and one without )
etc. etc.
Okay, then again I see no benefit in giving it to you and then having to lynch you on D3 instead of just giving it to Karl and lynching him D2 or getting it myself.
Did you miss my big post where I agree with that idea?
I agree that if there is a Cure then it only cures the Level 1 Infected, not the Level 2 since Level 1 theoretically don't have Scum Chat and Scum Team access. In order for the game to work and start with 1 Scum there would need to be No Lynch on Day 1 and a confirmed spread of the infection on Night 1. That means Kark is incurable.
Even if we are unlucky the infected Director can't do much with it at least until day 4 as he don't know who their partner is (if it's random). We can just kill him then.
I don't know who should be Director. I don't want Kark and I don't want Ouro (I'm not trusting him, he seemed eager to give the role to Kark). I also don't want it. It's more of a burden than a benefit. I just died night 1 in my previous game, don't want to be out so quickly again. I'm more or less ok with the rest for now.
There is also another possibility in that Kark is some weird Neutral that needs to become Director in order to win.
But that honestly seems BS since if he didn't get it today and since we don't re-elect the Director once the new one is dead they would essentially be worthless if they didn't fulfill that condition this Day Phase.
But that honestly seems BS since if he didn't get it today and since we don't re-elect the Director once the new one is dead they would essentially be worthless if they didn't fulfill that condition this Day Phase.
You're throwing out the possibility that the Scum Director wouldn't ever bus their own Team. They gain way more by bussing as Director then trying to save their teammate who just swapped sides.
Ok, but if we are suspicious of Kark (I assume you mean Kark instead of Kawl/Karl), why would we give it to him? After that, then it doesn't matter whom we pick - you, me, whatever. Either we get a benefit from it or we have a couple mislynches. We don't have enough info today to determine who the worst person to give it to is, and we won't tomorrow either since we don't get a lynch today.
Kark, a question. Do the Level 2 infected infect someone by random every night, or is it every other night, while level 1 infected kill every other.
Because if every night somebody could potentially be infected, this game would be difficult to win, assuming the possible cures don't have insane accuracy.
Because if every night somebody could potentially be infected, this game would be difficult to win, assuming the possible cures don't have insane accuracy.
Did you miss the part where I went back over everything and unvoted him?
I think you did.
Don't Overwatch this for me, fran.
Here is when Kark said it:
Infected are all recruiters, so the game doesn't break. I will blind-recruit tonight, and then they will recruit, and so on. I can bail out now, but the chain of infected will continue just because of the delay in knowing who gets infected.
This day 1 itself is a bit antithetical to how the game works, too. I think I'm not really given all the info to protect the game. Likewise, I think anybody petitioning to get cured is just gonna be Infected's target (since their goal is to Infect, period). This is why I have to do this NOW before I get involved with other Infected.
Die, lol
Here is when I called him out:
And here is he answering me and not denying my math:
I don't know if it work that way but Kark didn't denied it. And that also why we need to lynch Kark day 2.
This sounds accurate. I think we should lynch Kark day two, and we should find someone else to vote for director today.
Yeah I meant Kark. Given that I can't know if any of you have some sort of protection again being infected I would say the benefit to giving it to Kark is getting rid of potential scum and the director D1. It then opens up our options for D3. Giving it to you for a lynch on D3 gets us the same result as giving it to Kark but puts us a day behind. I also don't think there's much risk of needing the director power on D2 to get Kark lynched.
Yes, I saw it. And also saw how you asked Kark who should be elected and how you nominated yourself a couple of post later.
I don't have much to work with but I'm not feeling too well with that.
Help me change that: Why do you want to be elected? As we pointed out before the Director's role it's more a burden than a benefit. We are even discussing if we should give it to a mafia player. So why do you want it?
Either way I'm voting for Kark's lynch Day 2. I'm just hesitant to throw away the Director role without knowing if there's something about it that's beneficial to town that we don't know yet.
I nominated myself for the first time far before I asked Kark his opinion
Well, if there is I don't think we would find out until after we have elected someone.
I know. So why so you want it?
Because I hope to help Town before I die?
1) A default Town director will either get Infected, or killed one way or another.
2) A default Town director will either get Infected, or killed one way or another.
3) I will start tomorrow as either a Infected Director. if no means to cure me exists,
or
I will start as a Town Director, with the perk of not being able to be Infected. The Axometer will give some clue as to whether I've been cured or not.
4) A default Town director will either get Infected, or killed one way or another. I recruit tonight, as I would in any scenario, and have outed myself for a D2 lynch. However, the other recruit remains secret, and the game goes on.
3) I will start tomorrow as either a Infected Director. if no means to cure me exists,
or
I will start as a Town Director, with the perk of not being able to be Infected. The Axometer will give some clue as to whether I've been cured or not. In other words, my lie doesn't do much harm because I've already outed myself. It's a 3-vote power, not an override.
3) I'm probably lynched tomorrow,
but
A default Town director will either get Infected, or killed one way or another.
The problem Town has to consider is the issue of the Director falling into Infected's hands permanantly, or late into the game (and this game is apparently accelerated). People are going to defend the player with the Director role. The Director role is going to defend themselves with the weight of their 3 votes.
That's right. That's why I don't understand how everyone is so eager to be voted Director. We will lynch you sooner than later as we don't want to give the infected too much power. And the benefit for town is not that great. 2 extra votes it's not a lot until way later in the game, and there is no way the Director will live long.
As I see it, being voted the Director is more a burden than a benefit.
Basically, if you give me the role, you put it in the safest possible spot.
-If it's too dangerous a role, I'm the most eligible candidate to lynch tomorrow.
- If it appears clear that I'm still Infected, it's easy to lynch me.
- If I stay alive and gain Town's trust, then the role is Infection-proof and wont be a danger in the late game.
Nobody else in this game can claim this much responsibility with the role. You're all claiming it "just because"
-If it's too dangerous a role, I'm the most eligible candidate to lynch tomorrow.
- If it appears clear that I'm still Infected, it's easy to lynch me.
- If I stay alive and gain Town's trust, then the role is Infection-proof and wont be a danger in the late game.
Nobody else in this game can claim this much responsibility with the role. You're all claiming it "just because"
Look - we're going to mislynch more often than not. Hence why I want to choose someone who could potentially help time in their limited capacity before they die.
That's if I am cured. I presume I can't be un-cured, the term I'm reading is "vaccinated"
How are you a better choice than anyone else out there, assuming you're just a townie that is fucking with us