RoboFu
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RTX 4090 12VHPWR cable appears to be very dangerous
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//DEVIL//
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I would think of this happened to an FE card, it would still be at least one case online . Especially when that person would be pissed off he was able to beat the Bots and buy the cheapest and probably one of the best 4090s . Heh
Buggy Loop
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I think I liked you better trolling the 7900 thread.
I mean, 20 something $1600 cards, it’s nothing for a smear campaign, if I was a competitor I would
Most just gave a photo of a connector too. Savings!
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HoofHearted
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You act like those are the only cases.. they're not.I mean, 20 something $1600 cards, it’s nothing for a smear campaign, if I was a competitor I would
Most just gave a photo of a connector too. Savings!
Fess
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That’ll be one sweet build!Almost ready to build, just missing the watercooling and the case.
Fingers crossed for the cable
I rushed it and went with a Ryzen 9 7900x. Still great though.
HoofHearted
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Almost ready to build, just missing the watercooling and the case.
Fingers crossed for the cable
HoofHearted
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Figured it was purely a matter of time...
This thread (below) is also particularly interesting because it clearly documents another issue with a Zotac card where the adapter is clearly inserted and seated properly - that directly addresses and contradicts the "user error" narrative / mindshare...
There's clearly something inherently wrong with the overall design of this new adapter when we're seeing consistent damage/results across the entire manufacturing lineup of these cards.
It immediately calls into question the upcoming 4080 launch as well.
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diffusionx
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I have seen full recalls for far less than this, weird how everybody is silent.
HoofHearted
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Agreed - the last time something similar like this happened was with the Note 7. I remember (having bought one) that the early discussions were that it was a small issue and nothing to be worried about... at least until the first report where someone was on a plane, they dropped it on the floor when it started burning, and the device burned and starting melting through the cabin floor - THEN all hell broke loose.
Samsung mishandled that release so fucking poorly - and it's one of the reasons I haven't bought another Samsung device since the recall. Six years later and Samsung still produces phones/devices with shitty batteries that eventually expand.
At what point does NVIDIA decide to do the right thing on behalf of their consumers and at least communicate what they've learned about the issue and what they're doing to address it?
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Up and running!
I've been playing intensively this week end, tried CP 2077, TWW3, Forza Horizon 5, RDR II, Kena, Vermintide II, A Plague Tale requiem... and this card is a beast.
Havent put the side panel though haha. Can't wait for the big hitters coming next year. Also those Firecuda 530 are impressive, on startup it load the desktop before the monitor actually power on and shows the DisplayPort. Installed W10 in like... 4 minutes.
And the fact is it really quiet is cherry on the cake.
I've been playing intensively this week end, tried CP 2077, TWW3, Forza Horizon 5, RDR II, Kena, Vermintide II, A Plague Tale requiem... and this card is a beast.
Havent put the side panel though haha. Can't wait for the big hitters coming next year. Also those Firecuda 530 are impressive, on startup it load the desktop before the monitor actually power on and shows the DisplayPort. Installed W10 in like... 4 minutes.
And the fact is it really quiet is cherry on the cake.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Up and running!
I've been playing intensively this week end, tried CP 2077, TWW3, Forza Horizon 5, RDR II, Kena, Vermintide II, A Plague Tale requiem... and this card is a beast.
Havent put the side panel though haha. Can't wait for the big hitters coming next year. Also those Firecuda 530 are impressive, on startup it load the desktop before the monitor actually power on and shows the DisplayPort. Installed W10 in like... 4 minutes.
And the fact is it really quiet is cherry on the cake.
Beauty! Love it. I got my founders edition this weekend and my direct cable for my corsair psu but ita not braided, waiting until December for that.
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HoofHearted
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Nice setup - still getting my mind wrapped around the size difference of this gen …Up and running!
I've been playing intensively this week end, tried CP 2077, TWW3, Forza Horizon 5, RDR II, Kena, Vermintide II, A Plague Tale requiem... and this card is a beast.
Havent put the side panel though haha. Can't wait for the big hitters coming next year. Also those Firecuda 530 are impressive, on startup it load the desktop before the monitor actually power on and shows the DisplayPort. Installed W10 in like... 4 minutes.
And the fact is it really quiet is cherry on the cake.
Celcius
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Someone pointed out that Jonny Guru has removed everything that he posted about 12VHPWR cables from his site:
www.jongerow.com/12vhpwr/adapter_testing/index.html
Interesting...
www.jongerow.com/12vhpwr/adapter_testing/index.html
Interesting...
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mitchman
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Should be just a matter of time until someone notifies CPSC about this, and if they find it's a fire hazard, can force a full recall.
https://www.cpsc.gov/
Everyone is blaming the consumer but there is a clear trend here. It's obvious there is a design fault.
I have zero faith in a Nvidia product unless they revert back to the old 8 pin connectors.
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winjer
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NVIDIA confirms there are two manufacturers of 12VHPWR power adapter cables - VideoCardz.com
There are two manufacturers of NVIDIA’s 12VHPWR connector, and you should probably avoid one Igor’sLAB is working tirelessly to get to the bottom of the 12VHPWR ‘melting’ problem reported by many users already. The latest development is a discovery that there are two manufacturers of the NVIDIA...
videocardz.com
Hawking Radiation
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Jet Set Willy
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But that doesn't explain why people with native cables are also melting? That said, I'm off to check my adapter now to see which it is
Jet Set Willy
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Mine is definitely the dodgy one. Came with the 4090 FE.
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HoofHearted
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Look at the metal sleeves -
If I’m reading the details right (still drinking ma coffee)
if there are 2 gaps (top / bottom) - bad
If one gap - good
Believe Buildzoid noted this early on in his rambling…
In either case - still unclear if one “good” adapter doesn’t ultimately fail anyway. Looks like NVIDIA is reversing course a bit with the 4070 using multiple connector design.
Which points back to this particular connector design is prone to failure and not tolerant to “normal” conditions.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Look at the metal sleeves -
If I’m reading the details right (still drinking ma coffee)
if there are 2 gaps (top / bottom) - bad
If one gap - good
Believe Buildzoid noted this early on in his rambling…
In either case - still unclear if one “good” adapter doesn’t ultimately fail anyway. Looks like NVIDIA is reversing course a bit with the 4070 using multiple connector design.
Which points back to this particular connector design is prone to failure and not tolerant to “normal” conditions.
Saw 2 gaps for sure :/
not going to touch that shit again till get some info out of nvidia. My seasonic 12vhpwr cable might be showing up but won't use that either..
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FingerBang
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Again, at the moment:Look at the metal sleeves -
If I’m reading the details right (still drinking ma coffee)
if there are 2 gaps (top / bottom) - bad
If one gap - good
Believe Buildzoid noted this early on in his rambling…
In either case - still unclear if one “good” adapter doesn’t ultimately fail anyway. Looks like NVIDIA is reversing course a bit with the 4070 using multiple connector design.
Which points back to this particular connector design is prone to failure and not tolerant to “normal” conditions.
1) There is no proof this good/bad adapter is a real issue
2) This has happened with the adapters, with 12V native cables, to multiple PCIE to 12V cables
Guess what all the cases have in common? The card and the connector. It's highly likely the problem is there regardless of the cable.
HoofHearted
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Agreed - I’m of the same opinion that the root cause most likely lies with the overall design of the card / connector.
The adapter / cables are simply part of the equation that may contribute to the overall problem depending on the quality / design of the adapter.
I’d like to see actual data outlining failures for each combination. The fact that there are other failures reported on adapter / cables provided by PSU manufacturers indicates that the core issue resides ultimately with the card/connector - unless there’s proof to the contrary with respect to how the cables are manufactured.
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Amazing work by Gamersnexus. The definitive coverage on the matter.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Watching the video it seems like improper insertion (they provide pics and proof) AND manufacturing defects from small pieces of plastic or metal.
Not as much as an "Nvidia lol" answer but the video speaks for itself.
It's not to say that this is damage control but even the earliest reported failures had me wondering if they socketed the cable right or now and whether some want to hear it or not, this seems to be the case alongside foreign object debris.
Not as much as an "Nvidia lol" answer but the video speaks for itself.
It's not to say that this is damage control but even the earliest reported failures had me wondering if they socketed the cable right or now and whether some want to hear it or not, this seems to be the case alongside foreign object debris.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Noteworthy also how at the end of the video he has to address how quick misinformation spreads and this narrative spreads which also makes some people think they're Nvidia apologists.
Amazing job and even in my case, I haven't been unplugging and plugging the adapter to back in to check for damage like was addressed in the video which seems like lots are doing and possibly increasing the odds of failure just from bad insertion or debris.
Can't stress how great this content is and should be referred to as a starting to point to check for things.
Some things you can control and some you simply can't.
Amazing job and even in my case, I haven't been unplugging and plugging the adapter to back in to check for damage like was addressed in the video which seems like lots are doing and possibly increasing the odds of failure just from bad insertion or debris.
Can't stress how great this content is and should be referred to as a starting to point to check for things.
Some things you can control and some you simply can't.
J3nga
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it has, I ordered one one myself yesterday from EU store. Notification does nothing though, you have to check manually.
HoofHearted
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First Lawsuit - apparently another FE melted …
RTX 4090 Owner Hits Nvidia With Lawsuit Over Melting 16-pin Connector
RTX 4090 Owner Hits Nvidia With Lawsuit Over Melting 16-pin Connector
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Buggy Loop
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Incredible work
All this fear mongering in the past month by some click bait YouTubers…
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
baphomet
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FOD is inevitable in manufacturing. I occasionally work in different ISO rated clean rooms, and you wouldn't believe how difficult it can be to keep aerospace parts cleaned. Then these are just mass produced cable adapters.
Bigger problem is that with users cheeto covered fingers installing this into a dust filled case and barely attaching the power connector.
An actual latching connector would be an excellent idea though
GHG
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I mentioned it before (when I suspected it would be the case) but there's a potential issue here where the tolerances are simply too low for a consumer grade product like this. The design needed to have some leeway to allow for particles, dust (and even a couple of crumbs of cheeto dust) without it resulting in catastrophic failure.
The expectation that these cables and cards will be stored in perfect condition, particularly in peoples homes, is unrealistic. The second hand market for these could end up being a minefield down the line.
baphomet
Member
Absolutely, lab testing mean nothing without actually testing real use cases. From immaculately clean cases, to cases cleaned once a month, to the one that hasnt been cleaned in years in a room that's covered in cigarette ash and cum.
I think all the fear mongering about the 30 limit disconnect immediately before didn't help the situation either. So now you have a small group of people unplugging and plugging these cables in and out multiple times to verify it works after 30 disconnects, which has created additional fod in these adapters.
I Master l
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This is definitely a bad design not user error
Haint
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It's a much bigger deal for system integrators than actual "end users" as AFAIK prebuilt systems still represent the overwhelming majority of desktop sales. Prebuilt systems are notorious for partially inserted or disconnected cables, it's like the #1 issue they deal with it. The very first thing their CSR's have people check when they call in for support.
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FingerBang
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Great video from GN, like always. They did things properly.
That said, though not widespread, this is still a problem with the connector itself. Most cables when plugged in don't click and overall it's still a tiny space for a lot of power. This never happened when using multiple connectors. To me it doesn't exonerate Nvidia.
Anyway, I've been using a third party cable (the fasgear one) and had 0 issues with it. The Nvidia one is a piece of shit that takes a lot of space and looks terrible. This gave some breathing room to my case.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Hardware Jesus basically demonstrating to us how many dumb people with lots of money in their pockets are out there. Probably lots of college students in their 20s buying up 4090s at launch with credit cards and then not finding the time to check for a complete insertion of the cable because OMG I have to be the first bragging on reddit about my purchase. Still a bad design though.
Jet Set Willy
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Mine arrived yesterday (UK).
DenchDeckard
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Where are you based? I'm in the UK and have received my 12v cable from corsair.
Ulysses 31
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Are there cases of 12VHPWR native cables melting or has it only been adapters so far?
Celcius
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Texas
Though I’ve decided to just keep my 3090 so I don’t really need it anymore now
Ulysses 31
both have had the issue happen
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BusierDonkey
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So there's a roughly 0.04% chance cables will have issue, all cases so far are due to user-error and Nvidia is willing to RMA all issues related to this regardless of cable used, even in clear cases of user-error.