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Russia's Putin unveils 'invincible' nuclear weapons: There are more mad 'Rocket Men' on suicide mission than you thought

llien

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Russia's Putin unveils 'invincible' nuclear weapons

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Russia has developed a new array of nuclear weapons that are invincible, according to President Vladimir Putin.

Mr Putin made the claims as he laid out his key policies for a fourth presidential term, ahead of an election he is expected to win in 17 days' time.

The weapons he boasted of included a cruise missile that he said could "reach anywhere in the world".

He said of the West: "They need to take account of a new reality and understand ... [this]... is not a bluff."

Giving his annual state of the nation speech, Mr Putin used video presentations to showcase the development of two new nuclear delivery systems that he said could evade detection.

One included a "low-flying, difficult-to-spot cruise missile... with a practically unlimited range and an unpredictable flight path, which can bypass lines of interception and is invincible in the face of all existing and future systems of both missile defence and air defence".

Another weapon he discussed was a submarine-launched, long-range missile capable of delivering a nuclear warhead.

During the two-hour televised speech to a joint sitting of both houses of parliament, he encouraged Russians to suggest names for the two systems. He argued that Russia had reacted after years of pleading with the US not to break away from anti-missile treaties.

BBC


A little bit of history, shall we?

Sentinel Program
In 1967,[2] U.S. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara announced the Sentinel Program, providing a defense against attack for most of the continental United States. The system consisted of a long range Spartan missile, the short range Sprint missile, and associated radar and computer system. However, U.S. military and political strategists recognized several problems with the system:[3][4][5]
  • Deployment of even a limited defensive ABM system might invite a preemptive nuclear attack before it could be implemented
  • Deploying ABM systems would likely invite another expensive arms race for defensive systems, in addition to maintaining existing offensive expenditures
  • Then-current technology did not permit a thorough defense against a sophisticated attack
  • Defended coverage area was very limited due to the short range of the missiles used
  • Use of nuclear warheads on antimissile interceptors would degrade capability of defensive radar, thus possibly rendering defense ineffective after the first few interceptions
  • Political and public concern about detonating defensive nuclear warheads over friendly territory
  • An ICBM defense could jeopardize the Mutual Assured Destruction concept, thus being a destabilizing influence
ABM treaty
These above issues drove the United States and the USSR to sign the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty of 1972. Under the ABM treaty and the 1974 revision of it, each country was allowed to deploy a single ABM system with only 100 interceptors to protect a single target. The Soviets deployed a system named the A-35 "Galosh" missile system, and it was deployed to protect Moscow, its capital city. The U.S. deployed the Safeguard system to defend the ICBM launch sites around the Grand Forks Air Force Base, North Dakota, in 1975. The American Safeguard system was only briefly operational (for a matter of several months). The Soviet system (now called A-135) has been improved over the decades, and it is still operational around Moscow.

Withdrawal from ABM Treaty
In December 1999, the United Nations General Assembly approved a resolution aimed at pressing the United States to abandon its plans to build an anti-missile missile defense system. Voting against the draft, along with the United States, were three other countries, Albania, Israel, and the Federated States of Micronesia. Thirteen of the 15 members of the European Union abstained, and France and Ireland voted in favor of this resolution. The resolution called for continued efforts to strengthen and preserve the treaty.[7] On 14 June 2002, the United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty. On the following day, Russia responded by withdrawing from START II treaty (intended to ban MIRV ICBMs). More specifically, then President Bush stated that the USA withdrew from the treaty. There was no Senate "anti-ratification" treaty action similar to what was required by law to first ratify or accept the treaty.

Nowadays
Which brings us to US's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense]Ground Based Midcourse Defense[/url] a major component of US's missile defense strategy.
Destroying ballistic missiles is harder than one would think, for a number of reasons, among them, ineffectiveness of explosives in vacuum.
Hence, interceptor missile destroys targets with kinetic energy, in other words 'Like Hitting a Bullet With a Bullet'

Could that system be used to shut down Russia's Nuclear capabilities?
Nope, definitely not. Russia has about a 1000 of strategic ballistic missiles, each could carry multiple warheads (not counting fakes), US's systems are relevant only in the context of lesser 'Bomber Man' like that of North Korea.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Invincible to our new rail guns and lasers? Interesting. Aside from that you do raise a good point on the sheer number of their missiles. They could easily spam enough to get plenty through. Even if we were to preemptively wipe Russia, they have the Dead Hand system. Our aggressions are mindbogglingly insane and it seems every expert on the topic agrees that we are pressing things waaaaaaay too far.
 
Status 6 is the most disturbing of these. i.e the 100 megaton underwater drone that is meant to inflict tidal wave damage to coastal areas. It can linger underwater for years undetected, sneak up to Los Angeles for example, park over the horizon 10 miles out, blow up all port infrastructure and swamp the entire metropolitan region with radioactive water, administering lethal dose to 20 million people.

The nuclear powered cruise missile with unlimited range that could linger in the air hugging the ground and bypassing defensive measures, maneuvering indirectly and able to strike from any direction is second most novel/disturbing device. Renders AEGIS irrelevant.

The ICMB Salmat achieves what the soviet union's Orb (fractional bombardment system) was capable of; placing warheads into geostationary orbit then being able to strike anywhere from any direction at any time. No ballistic trajectory, impossible to intercept. The warheads are also hardened against laser and electromagnetic weapons.

These are all devastating toys for which the west has no defensive measures, nor does it have them in its own arsenal. Alongside the Armata Armored Platform which includes the worlds first 4th generation tank, one can see Russia has been putting enormous emphasis on advanced weapons systems.

There is a new cold war, this time with China involved. Let's just hope like before it stays non-nuclear. Expect many more proxy-conflicts like that of Syria.
 
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Paulxo87

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Who cares. Russian missiles have always been invincible. The US can only hope to shoot down a small handful of simultaneous warheads while they are in post boost phase perhaps 30% of the time.
 

Papa

Banned
While Western countries are worrying about gender pronouns, Russia is winning the arms race and China is winning the space race.
 

Rudelord

Member
Alongside the Armata Armored Platform which includes the worlds first 4th generation tank, one can see Russia has been putting enormous emphasis on advanced weapons systems.
While these missiles are a notable threat, I wouldn't put much faith in Armata. The amount actually being produced is so low as to be a nonfactor, and it's not even clear if it's better than what tanks are currently on the market.
The Abrams is still receiving upgrades that keeps it relevant and dangerous, and we have about 5000+ of them. All-out conventional warfare is not something I'm concerned with the US losing in the forseeable future.

As an aside, large scale nuclear exchanges is something no ABM system can even hope to put a serious dent in. There's far too many MIRVs. And that cruise missile sounds hilariously like the Project Pluto the US was developing during the Cold War.
 
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TwiztidElf

Gold Member
We truly are living in 1984 now.
Who's the badguys today? AlQueda/ISIS/ISIL? North Korea? China? Russia? Syria? Iran? All of them?
 

DiscoJer

Member
Meh. Russia always had enough missiles to overwhelm any defenses. They're aimed more at nations with a limited number of missiles/bombs, basically North Korea and Iran. And maybe Pakistan, with the way things are going.
 
Status 6 is the most disturbing of these. i.e the 100 megaton underwater drone that is meant to inflict tidal wave damage to coastal areas. It can linger underwater for years undetected, sneak up to Los Angeles for example, park over the horizon 10 miles out, blow up all port infrastructure and swamp the entire metropolitan region with radioactive water, administering lethal dose to 20 million people.

That is legitimately scary
 

llien

Member
Status 6 is the most disturbing of these. i.e the 100 megaton underwater drone that is meant to inflict tidal wave damage to coastal areas. It can linger underwater for years undetected, sneak up to Los Angeles for example, park over the horizon 10 miles out, blow up all port infrastructure and swamp the entire metropolitan region with radioactive water, administering lethal dose to 20 million people.

It's even worse: Cobalt Bomb. Nasty nuance of the cobalt bomb is being able to contaminate vast areas rendering them uninhabitable for humans, unsuitable for agriculture and even fishing for many years.

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One could hope, that most of it just election campaign buzz, but personal opinion (and the first time I saw Putin was back in 90th, when he was KGB vice-colonel) Russians do have these projects, but they could be having yet to be solved difficulties, far from production ready (yet).
 
*looks at military budget*


Looks at US guided missile and torpedo technology being ~30 years behind Russia's. Kind of critical in a naval confrontation.

Throwing money at a set of problems only makes them more expensive. It does not decisively solve them. See the latest US destroyer debacle. It costs more than an Arleigh burke, it is less armed and capable.

As for the Armata Universal Platform, specifically the T-14; when confronted by any 3rd generation MBT you would get another desert storm situation, except this time the western MBT's would be the Iraqi T-72's. and the Russians would be taking pot shots. I don't think you've even glossed over the capabilities of these new tanks. They make all western anti-tank weaponry obsolete, including the main guns on the Challenger 2's and American tanks.
 
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Rudelord

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As for the Armata Universal Platform, specifically the T-14; when confronted by any 3rd generation MBT you would get another desert storm situation, except this time the western MBT's would be the Iraqi T-72's. and the Russians would be taking pot shots. I don't think you've even glossed over the capabilities of these new tanks. They make all western anti-tank weaponry obsolete, including the main guns on the Challenger 2's and American tanks.
It has such an abysmally low production rate as to be an effective non-factor in a shooting war anytime in the next decade. The US alone has 5000 M1 models of various kinds, and they're being continuously upgraded to match any similar armored vehicle. You're also completely overstating the level of armor protection it has; a 120MM depleted uranium round will cut through it like any other round. I'd also not place much faith on it having superior fire control systems, thermal imaging, and networking systems over any current model M1. An army isn't just tanks; It's a network, and the US military has been on the forefront of making sure every vehicle falls into the network.
A superior gun does you no good if you're already seen, tracked, and being fired on by every tank, helicopter, and aircraft in that sector.
 

JDB

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Looks at US guided missile and torpedo technology being ~30 years behind Russia's. Kind of critical in a naval confrontation.

Throwing money at a set of problems only makes them more expensive. It does not decisively solve them. See the latest US destroyer debacle. It costs more than an Arleigh burke, it is less armed and capable.

As for the Armata Universal Platform, specifically the T-14; when confronted by any 3rd generation MBT you would get another desert storm situation, except this time the western MBT's would be the Iraqi T-72's. and the Russians would be taking pot shots. I don't think you've even glossed over the capabilities of these new tanks. They make all western anti-tank weaponry obsolete, including the main guns on the Challenger 2's and American tanks.
If only we'd stop being so busy with worrying about pronouns.
 

bad guy

as bad as Danny Zuko in gym knickers
We should pool together for a moon base. The view of the apocalypse should be formidable from there.
 
World War 3 is imminent; its just a matter of time. I'm predicting 2030-2033 will be the year where Nuclear War will happen and literally all hell will break loose. So enjoy the next 10-12 years of your lives and make sure you tell your loved ones how much you love them.
 
No, Russia is just re-establishing the military balance. Nuclear War is less likely than before. Most dangerous period since ww2 for the world was 1991-2008.
 
No, Russia is just re-establishing the military balance. Nuclear War is less likely than before. Most dangerous period since ww2 for the world was 1991-2008.

I wish i can agree but Nuclear War is bound to happen. Its just an inevitability. Enjoy the next years of your life care-free and if a nuclear war happen, then so be it.
 

grumpyGamer

Member
this is our fault as a society, we should fire the fuckers out and end the fuking corruption and find someone worthy of the seat of president.
but we just keep our heads down and do nothing, and when shit starts flying we have to accept that is our fault too.

it s just like school, the weak kid gets bullied and we just watch, until he gets a gun and shoots everybody
 

Dr.Parity

Banned
That is legitimately scary

It's a doomsday weapon.

If it were ever deployed and used, we're already so far gone that it's just tit-for-tat attacks on major populated areas. Unlike conventional nukes which don't pose much threat long term and are basically just giant bombs (fallout and radiation is minimum in airburst), this is basically an "asset denial" weapon in the even there ever is a nuclear war, Russia would be able to deploy these weapons which basically turn out coast lines into wastelands for centuries.

But again, in that situation most everyone is already dead anyways. This is literally "We must not have a mineshaft gap!" level of thinking.


While Western countries are worrying about gender pronouns, Russia is winning the arms race and China is winning the space race.

Yea, because our military budget and overall foreign policy is governed by the civilian population fighting for equal rights.

Because we all know how intertwined developing nuclear arsenals are with having a decent society.
 
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Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
so disingenuous. ur conflating mistrust for Putin's autocratic government with irrelevant mid 20th century bullshit. well done.
He didn't say Putin or the government.
 
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Monocle

Member
I’d rather we just discuss the latter since it’s the only one that’s a legitimate issue.
I'm just glad that before we all succumb to nuclear hellfire, we've reached consensus on the fact that social issues are just pretend, and affect nobody worthy of time or attention.
 

LordPezix

Member
Oh, they think, they can take on the TWO-TIME,... read it, TWO-TIME 1918, 1945 Back to back World War Champ. War is our game, alright, NO ONE TAKES DOWN THE CHAMP!
 

Papa

Banned
I'm just glad that before we all succumb to nuclear hellfire, we've reached consensus on the fact that social issues are just pretend, and affect nobody worthy of time or attention.

I would just like to clarify that I don’t see the gender pronoun nonsense as a legitimate social issue, hence the criticism. This is entirely separate from transgender issues.

Anyway, this is starting to deviate from the original topic.
 

JDB

Banned
I would just like to clarify that I don’t see the gender pronoun nonsense as a legitimate social issue, hence the criticism. This is entirely separate from transgender issues.

Anyway, this is starting to deviate from the original topic.
Maybe don't bring it up as if it has any relevance to the topic next time?
 

Papa

Banned
Maybe don't bring it up as if it has any relevance to the topic next time?

Of course it’s relevant to the discussion of what different cultures value. I don’t hear of professors being heckled off of university campuses for not using made-up gender pronouns in China. Chinese universities wouldn’t put up with that because it’s antithetical to their values, and right now they’re kicking our asses in many different areas of STEM. I would be very happy if universities defunded the likes of gender studies and redirected that money to STEM fields. Western countries have grown complacent.
 
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