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[HeisenbergFX4]

Doesn't say steroids but everyone knows he used them

I never saw Sosa take them as I was never a part of any clubhouse he was in but I saw a lot of players in my era use them

And no I never did

 

[Paltheos]

I don't know how standard practice this is, but the message feels somewhat undercut appearing with a consulting firm's letterhead.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I don't know how standard practice this is, but the message feels somewhat undercut appearing with a consulting firm's letterhead.

Yeah pretty sure those aren’t his own words. It was a pretty artful way of apologizing for using steroids without admitting to using steroids or doing anything illegal.

 

[FalconPunch]

Dunno why he apologized. A lot of people were using it in his era. Steroids or not, the guy was a great hitter.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He did have one gorgeous swing tho!

Textbook fundamentals.

 

[intbal]

His usage was likely very mundane. Probably on the same level as McGwire and Canseco.

Not at all like the walking biochemical factory named Barry Bonds.

 

[Paltheos]

Dunno why he apologized. A lot of people were using it in his era. Steroids or not, the guy was a great hitter.

Because it's still cheating. A rationalization for achieving results isn't the only consideration. It's still a competition between people that many feel passionate about, and cheating cheapens it.

 

[AJUMP23]

Isn’t he a white guy now?

I think in that era the stuff they were using was not illegal. I guess you have to put an Astrix by their name.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Isn’t he a white guy now?

I think in that era the stuff they were using was not illegal. I guess you have to put an Astrix by their name.

Ya. He’s been skin bleaching for probably 20 years.

 

[FalconPunch]

Because it's still cheating. A rationalization for achieving results isn't the only consideration. It's still a competition between people that many feel passionate about, and cheating cheapens it.

I can appreciate that some people are passionate about ensuring that steroids aren't used in baseball. However, considering that era produced what many would argue as baseball's peak, you can understand why some wouldn't care. For me, the use of steroids by baseball players are at the bottom of my list of the issues with baseball. I used to watch it back in the day but now I can't be bothered because it's become so boring.

 

[SpiceRacz]

His usage was likely very mundane. Probably on the same level as McGwire and Canseco.

Not at all like the walking biochemical factory named Barry Bonds.

Sosa and the rest of those guys were just as sauced up as Bonds. You’re ignoring the fact Bonds was better and more talented than them.

 

[intbal]

Sosa and the rest of those guys were just as sauced up as Bonds. You’re ignoring the fact Bonds was better and more talented than them.

No way.
Bonds came later and had an entire company creating custom juice just for him.
He was more loaded than Soviet Olympic swimmers from the 70s.

 

[aclar00]

He needs to apologize for that bleaching cream.

 

[Soodanim]

Ya. He’s been skin bleaching for probably 20 years.

Had to look it up. You’ve got to have some real insecurities and the wrong people around you for something like this.

 

[DGrayson]

Who gives a fuck about steroids in baseball. The steroid era was full of juices on both sides. So juiced pitchers were throwing to juiced hitters. Seems even to me

Admit the best to the hall and put up and exhibition about steroids and that's it.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Who gives a fuck about steroids in baseball. The steroid era was full of juices on both sides. So juiced pitchers were throwing to juiced hitters. Seems even to me

Admit the best to the hall and put up and exhibition about steroids and that's it.

Not near everyone was juiced, some of us respected the game and more importantly our bodies

 

[DGrayson]

Not near everyone was juiced, some of us respected the game and more importantly our bodies

I do understand that you were a pro player so I am only speaking from the fan perspective. It seems like a majority of players and those we looked up to were on performance enhancing drugs. Not even to speak about the use of amphetamines going back to the 70s during a time when most didn't consider that time as a drug era.

Doesn't make sense as a fan to single out some people who got caught by some random testing into the early 2000s when plenty of people were getting away with performance enhancing use for decades.

 

[j0hnnix]

Not near everyone was juiced, some of us respected the game and more importantly our bodies

I respect that.. but can't argue that damn, it was fun watching Bonds , Mcgwire, Conseco and Sosa swinging the shit out them bats and the battle between Sosa and Mcquire was exciting.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Maybe I’m an outlier, but I don’t really care if players juice. If they get caught and banned it’s hilarious.

But back then when all the players looked like they gained 50 lbs in mass, it’s obvious they were in something. I don’t think players changing into behemoths happened because they started drinking protein shakes from health stores.

But I didn’t care. I liked watching all the home run theatrics. You’d get tons of bonds, sosa and McGwire at bats from out of town games you’d never see otherwise.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Heisenberg,

When people talked steroid baseball, it’s always giant batters. Ok, some guys like Clemens gets lumped in. But it’s mostly hitters being poster boy.

Did a lot of pitchers do it too? Or was it mostly a batters thing? Just asking because if pitchers were just as bad, it seems they get the good end of it because people focus on the tons of home runs.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I respect that.. but can't argue that damn, it was fun watching Bonds , Mcgwire, Conseco and Sosa swinging the shit out them bats and the battle between Sosa and Mcquire was exciting.

From the stands, sure it must have been a blast

From the pitchers mound and you hear that sound come off the bat and you know where its heading, not as much fun

Heisenberg,

When people talked steroid baseball, it’s always giant batters. Ok, some guys like Clemens gets lumped in. But it’s mostly hitters being poster boy.

Did a lot of pitchers do it too? Or was it mostly a batters thing? Just asking because if pitchers were just as bad, it seems they get the good end of it because people focus on the tons of home runs.

Some pitchers did because they felt they needed to to compete

Have to remember the MLB glorified that homerun race knowing good and well what was happening in the clubhouses

All in all if I had to put a number on it from spending 10 full seasons in MLB clubhouses and 3 minor leagues from 1987-2000 (right in the bullseye of the roids) I would say in the area of 25% of players cheated

Maybe many more kept it secret though

 

[RedC]

No way.
Bonds came later and had an entire company creating custom juice just for him.
He was more loaded than Soviet Olympic swimmers from the 70s.

The difference was Bonds was already a Hall of Fame player at a higher tier than the other players when he got on his juice.

 

[intbal]

The difference was Bonds was already a Hall of Fame player at a higher tier than the other players when he got on his juice.

And he was aging and diminished, on the way out of the sport.
Then he turned into one of the most extreme science experiments in human history in order to steal a bunch of records.

 

[RedC]

And he was aging and diminished, on the way out of the sport.
Then he turned into one of the most extreme science experiments in human history in order to steal a bunch of records.

Yes, matched with a higher tier of skill set and athleticism.

 

[SpiceRacz]

No way.
Bonds came later and had an entire company creating custom juice just for him.
He was more loaded than Soviet Olympic swimmers from the 70s.

Bonds was already a multiple time MVP before he started roiding and was widely considered the best player in baseball.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Bonds was already a multiple time MVP before he started roiding and was widely considered the best player in baseball.

Was going to be considered one of the best ever before he watched the Sosa/McGwire HR battle and wanted in on some of that action

 

[Badlucktroll]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Had to look it up. You’ve got to have some real insecurities and the wrong people around you for something like this.

LOL.

 

[tamago84]

The sosa mcguire era was peak murica. Baseball, hotdogs, and tren

 

[Pegasus Actual]

I watched a little ball back then. I liked watching Kerry Wood pitch. And John Rocker was totally right about the subway, what is someone gonna still try to actually argue it at this point?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I liked the era because tons of runs scored.

For me, baseball is a sport I find boring unless there’s lots of runs. If it’s low scoring game that means lots of strikeouts, ground outs and lazy fly outs. Very rare is a 2-1 game one where each team has 12 hits each, some SB, walks galore but all scraping up the outs to end the inning. Instead it’ll be a pitchers dual and each team has 6 hits.

Other sports like hockey, basketball and football can have much more action but still be low scoring. And I don’t mean action in terms of the physical hitting part. But there can still be lots of back and forth action but the teams just fail to score a lot as the other team gets possession back.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I assume all the best hitters of the last 40 years were on something. Frank Thomas ever had admit to anything? Ken Griffey might have been natural I suppose. Til that skin bleaching is a thing...