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Shuihei Yoshida says that if he was still in charge of PS first party he would have tried to resist the PS live-service push
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vaibhavpisal
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This is why he was removed, seems obvious.
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Cyberpunkd
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They probably made him an offer he couldn't refuse - you can retire, get a nice package, praise, etc. Or we can fire you.
vivftp
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Before clueless people react to the blurb and ignore the context, here's a breakdown of this from one of the Era posters:
"The section starts at 01:08:05 and the specific joking quote is at 01:13:39.
Long story short, he says he stopped allocating money to the development of multiplayer games like SOCOM, Killzone, and Resistance after the PS3 era because he thought it didn't make much sense when you are limited to one platform while other multiplayer games like COD don't have that limitation, and when you already get these games on your platform as well anyway. What was different this time when he left first party and they started their new multiplayer/live service push, is that the Sony Group actually allocated specific and additional resources for that endeavor.
Then he makes that joke that they offered him that indie role to make that live service push more smooth. Really wouldn't read too much into this lighthearted comment."
In other words, it's nothing major and he isn't against live service.
"The section starts at 01:08:05 and the specific joking quote is at 01:13:39.
Long story short, he says he stopped allocating money to the development of multiplayer games like SOCOM, Killzone, and Resistance after the PS3 era because he thought it didn't make much sense when you are limited to one platform while other multiplayer games like COD don't have that limitation, and when you already get these games on your platform as well anyway. What was different this time when he left first party and they started their new multiplayer/live service push, is that the Sony Group actually allocated specific and additional resources for that endeavor.
Then he makes that joke that they offered him that indie role to make that live service push more smooth. Really wouldn't read too much into this lighthearted comment."
In other words, it's nothing major and he isn't against live service.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I mean if this live service push also means more gachas coming to the GachaStation 5...Playstation's last knight.
Dark times ahead of us, PS brothers.
Nankatsu
Gold Member
And he isn't wrong. Thing is corporate wants a bigger slice of profits, rather than share it.
I'm 100% sure that if GachaStation wasn't already the console exclusive for said types of games, Sony somehow would also tackle that market.
Still, I like his approach way more than what current Sony execs are doing/pushing.
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vivftp
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Yeah, that's cool. I'm overjoyed that they've invested in this live service push and are going full steam ahead. I'm already enjoying it's output and look forward to what's next
Bernardougf
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And what part of all of this contradicts his joke ? .. it gives context but the joke by itself is pretty self explanatory... no jokes are made lightly and the better ones have the right amount of truth.
The_Observer
Member
Please bring back the ps4 dreamteam. We went from the best management team to the worst.
Bernardougf
Member
It really seems an end of an era for me .. the current management, direction and output from Sony .. are really out of touch with all I come to expect from them.
The_Observer
Member
Same here, gaming in general is going downhill fast since then.
vivftp
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Forum dwellers are quick to react to a headline or blurb without bothering to look at the source and understand the context. That's what my post was meant to nip in the bud.
As for the joke, we have no way of judging how much or how little truth there is behind it, but that wasn't the part I was addressing anyways. I was getting ahead of those who would bitch and whine about the Live Service Boogeyman
TheGodfather07
Member
Not doing any live service games at all would be stupid in the modern era. Unfortunately, the new generation are into games of that style. Just dont forget your core audience and neglect high quality single player games. Not only was the PlayStation brand built off of that but the entire gaming industry! Never forget your roots because without them, you'll wither away and die.
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Bernardougf
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Well so you went immediately in defense mode about the thread and joke even quoting ERA .. so you seem to be reacting exactly like the forum dwellers you apparently diminish would but just the other way around.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
Imagine how amazing Playstation first party would be if he was in charge. Sad to see him go.
vivftp
Member
I've been in enough and read enough of these discussions to know that spreading a bit of sanity and context is important, especially if done early.
Dr.Morris79
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That's how I feel too.
Bernardougf
Member
Na you just appear condescending and highly defensive ... as I said the joke is self explanatory and nothing of what you posted changes the meaning and implications of it.
An btw.. are you an alt of man in boxes ? Or all GaaS super fanboys have this natural sense of moral superiority ?
Ridicululzz
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Completely right here, service games are way more likely to thrive if it's available to more people. Sony themselves have already realized this and have adapted their strategy accordingly.
vivftp
Member
Yeah I'm done with you. Good day
Giallo Corsa
Member
Herman Hulst is a hack and non deserving of his position, he's Phil Spencer no.2 and he's gonna drag the whole brand down by pushing his mediocre Horizon franchise down our throats and GaaS titles.
Companies need more people like Yoshida
Companies need more people like Yoshida
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Audiophile
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Not inherently against a live service push, it's just a matter of being measured and selective. It would be silly not to try to capture some of that revenue, but these companies seem incapable of a middleground, they see one thing do well in a certain area and then try to shape everything else into it.
You need to see what the successes did right and learn from that. Not just convert all of your resources and IP into the same thing.
Helldivers II was clearly a success, the rest of it, not so much. There also comes a point where you need to realise what you've got and be grateful for it. It may be that in the longer run Sony can support Helldivers and a couple other services before they risk over-stretching as well as over-saturating, people have only so much time and they only have so many resources. That might be their lot.
If I was them my main focus in this area would be fostering 3-4 of the very highest tier, well balanced concurrent live services by the end of the decade that can be maintained, then beyond that the focus remains on expanding and enriching their bread and butter which is single player, with the occasional conventional multiplayer. Only endeavouring to do more services if it's a truly great concept.
You need to see what the successes did right and learn from that. Not just convert all of your resources and IP into the same thing.
Helldivers II was clearly a success, the rest of it, not so much. There also comes a point where you need to realise what you've got and be grateful for it. It may be that in the longer run Sony can support Helldivers and a couple other services before they risk over-stretching as well as over-saturating, people have only so much time and they only have so many resources. That might be their lot.
If I was them my main focus in this area would be fostering 3-4 of the very highest tier, well balanced concurrent live services by the end of the decade that can be maintained, then beyond that the focus remains on expanding and enriching their bread and butter which is single player, with the occasional conventional multiplayer. Only endeavouring to do more services if it's a truly great concept.
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vaibhavpisal
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I don’t think he was fired or retired.
He was made unimportant by shifting HQ from Japan to Jimbo and Herman’s teams.
I don’t blame them. Playstation won’t grow without risk taking and making new types of games.
bitbydeath
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He’s referring to when he was the president of SIE studios and was demoted to indie manager.
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Give this guy a position at Nintendo to manage one or two studios that specialize in more mature content like Doom and Mortal Kombat.
ChorizoPicozo
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... The Last Samurai.
but some people fail to realize it. The end of an era indeed
and as I said. I'm concerned for the future of PS games and their exclusivity.
All of their current mismanagement and overspending can be used as an excuse to make dumb decisions. Shuei understood the value not only of exclusives(mainstream and niche ones alike) but also of everything surrounding them.
but some people fail to realize it. The end of an era indeed
and as I said. I'm concerned for the future of PS games and their exclusivity.
All of their current mismanagement and overspending can be used as an excuse to make dumb decisions. Shuei understood the value not only of exclusives(mainstream and niche ones alike) but also of everything surrounding them.
Horseganador
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And now we have this guy pffffffff
Angry_Megalodon
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Without guys like Yoshida Playstation is just an XBOX with a legacy. Give Hermen Hulst ten more years and he will sink the ship, just like Phil Spencer did.
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Topher
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Believe he is saying that is why they removed him from head of worldwide studios in favor of Hulst. He wasn't fired.
TerribleAtThisGame
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Fire that pussy Hulst and get Emperor Hirohito in there. I need the most Japanese shit ever to course-correct stat.
ReBurn
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If you're looking for the most Japanese shit ever you should consider Nintendo Switch.
TerribleAtThisGame
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Astray
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Ironically enough, this stance of his is the exact reason why Sony really felt the danger of Microsoft buying up the big GAAS games this gen.
They essentially outsourced one of the biggest money-making segments to 3P players that are out for their own interests and could turn on Sony on a dime.
Shuhei is a legend, and he clearly loves gaming (and his tastes largely align with mine), but the deficiencies of his reign kinda pushed Sony onto a bad track.
They essentially outsourced one of the biggest money-making segments to 3P players that are out for their own interests and could turn on Sony on a dime.
Shuhei is a legend, and he clearly loves gaming (and his tastes largely align with mine), but the deficiencies of his reign kinda pushed Sony onto a bad track.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
So that's why Hermen pushed him out
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yoshida unchained, commenting on all internal matters just a day after his last day at work.
I think the woke Herman will not last that long especially with commons sense back and cultural change especially in USA. Live or GAAS is a difficult gamble and its over saturated already. I hope all leadership will all go back to Japan even in Sony USA.
lughnasadh123
Member
Having live service games added to their portfolio was the right call even if some of the choice of games weren't. Marvel Rivals being the latest success story just reinforces that when not that long ago people were bitching that no one wanted games like that.
Bernardougf
Member
Still think that Shu was just innocently joking ? .... LOL.. what a disaster
Damn the guy really bringing the tea right after leaving.
Love the guy and he is a legend but him basically killing off resistance, socom,kill zone and all of songs multi-player ips is also a ridiculous move. You have to keep a balance since good multi-player games deliver a massive revenue stream. That being said Sony this gen again ruined said balance by going all in on multi-player and worse still on gaas hyper focus with little to show for it.
Love the guy and he is a legend but him basically killing off resistance, socom,kill zone and all of songs multi-player ips is also a ridiculous move. You have to keep a balance since good multi-player games deliver a massive revenue stream. That being said Sony this gen again ruined said balance by going all in on multi-player and worse still on gaas hyper focus with little to show for it.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Does Marvel Rivals really prove anything? It's Marvel done half decently at a time when everyone else is either fumbling (Insomniac) or outright flopping (MCU). I wouldn't have bet on a third person Overwatch clone before it, and I wouldn't now - especially if it doesn't have a major and fitting IP to do it with. Meaning a license.
Maybe if DC gets off their ass, they can benefit, but the game industry isn't full of talent that can build IP like Marvel or DC. They can't even build IP like they could 15 years ago.
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Klosshufvud
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Shu really was carrying Sony's management on his shoulders for years. Atleast he goes out confirming what we already suspected regarding snakes like Hulst.
Calico345
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Calico345
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Bluepoint Games: God of War GAAS (Canceled 2025)
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Firesprite: Twisted Metal GAAS (Canceled 2024)
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Guerilla Games: Horizon Online Title (TBD)
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Insomniac: Spider-Man: The Great Web (Canceled Date Unknown)
London Studio: AAA New IP Fantasy Multiplayer Title (Canceled 2024 - Studio shuttered)
Naughty Dog: The Last of Us Factions Online (Canceled 2023)
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