Zacfoldor
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Nice! That is a lovely screenshot, actually. Hell, if there was no remake that screenshot would get me to replay the OG.Playing one go of the original before I start the remake, but that's next week.
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Silent Hill 2 |OT| You promised you'd take me there again someday...
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Strategize
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Really neat detail: Angela bites her fingernails
It's very tragic that none of the endings involve being able to save her, I would've went for that ending in a heartbeat
Ulysses 31
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I got a Letter.
and
For me, it's always like this.
are two of the most poignant gaming moments / quotes of all time for me. Both invoke some stuff in my brain.
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consoul
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How it worked in the PS2 game shouldn't be the benchmark in 2024. As someone who lives in a cold mountain town where it is often foggy in the mornings, I can say the way fog works in real life is nothing like what SH2 remake is doing.
I get that real fog is volumetric and appears thicker the more distance you look through, but it doesn't have a complete drop-off circle around you as you move through it. In real life it's a gradual dissolve the whole way, which is not what SH2 remake is doing (even though it could have).
The combination of leaves blowing in the wind and static hanging fog is obviously wrong. I guess they just thought the fluttering leaves were a cool particle effect to throw in.
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Power Pro
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I only played a little bit of this last night, but even on my laptop, it really looks pretty. Looking forward to playing more on my desktop during the weekend.
I never really played the original, so this'll be my first rodeo, but I do feel kinda spoiled through osmosis over the years. We'll see.
I never really played the original, so this'll be my first rodeo, but I do feel kinda spoiled through osmosis over the years. We'll see.
Madflavor
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OG Maria has a creepy face and dresses like she’s gonna deliver the clap.
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MiguelItUp
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I feel like they did a better job making her flirtier and making James uncomfortable. I also really like how they focused on her body language a bit more, her facial expressions, etc. It makes a lot feel even more effective. But, OG Maria rules too.
Couldn't agree more. There's a few other from here as well. It's just wild how much the game affected me. I was a teenager when the original came out, and so much stuck with me. Loving it a great deal helped too. But it isn't too surprising, a game with that kind of content on PS2 was pretty wild to experience.
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Madflavor
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In terms of character, of course I like OG Maria. But I can't bullshit myself and claim she didn't have a psycho look to her.
Bartski
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That is not true. There is an additional memo in a safe in the NG+ bowl-o-rama that counts in place of the one that's missing - that's how I got the trophy.
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GymWolf
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Yeah, dude is already fat enough to risk diabetes already, he should avoid more sweet things in his diet.
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TerribleAtThisGame
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When you're low on health they add a heavy reverb effect to his sound effects so it sounds a lot crazier.
Kacho
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The journey can’t really be spoiled. I played this a lot in 2001-2002 and remember next to nothing.
Chuck Berry
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I don’t like this prison.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
MiguelItUp
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Oh totally. I feel like new Maria just hits better and makes more sense character-wise. I know folks couldn't get over her new look and outfit, but the old one always felt like a bit TOO much IMO. I feel like the new design went a route where she was "friskier" without being TOO much, at least visually. I mean, you can make a character attractive without having to make them look like a dancer from some risque music video, lol.In terms of character, of course I like OG Maria. But I can't bullshit myself and claim she didn't have a psycho look to her.
I can't get over how much more terrifying the mannequins are. They're so tight and even more unnerving than the OGs.
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Kacho
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I love how they hide. It’s a bit janky at times but super cool idea.
MiguelItUp
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I couldn't agree more. I especially love when they do the "I" formation to hide, it resembles a garden spider (and others I'm sure) that do something similar.
analog_future
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Chuck Berry
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I’ve only gotten the jump on them maybe five times total? They blend themselves into the environment so fucking well. That and they pick the perfect spots to lay low, like in between a corner and the side of a bookcase or cabinet
MiguelItUp
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I was proud of myself for the few times they hopped out and startled me and I successfully blasted them before they touched me, lmao.I’ve only gotten the jump on them maybe five times total? They blend themselves into the environment so fucking well. That and they pick the perfect spots to lay low, like in between a corner and the side of a bookcase or cabinet
Chuck Berry
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Yup same. Got used to doing a double dodge backwards as soon as they popped out lol
keefged4
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Really? That's awesome, will go for it next run
Dr.Morris79
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Shakka43
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They seem to be in a dream-like state, weird shit happens but they don't have enough awareness to resonate what's really going on.
fart town usa
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Damn, was really hoping for Italian audio. Just English/Japanese. Japanese it is.
Bought it tonight but waiting a week or so to actually play it.
Bought it tonight but waiting a week or so to actually play it.
fart town usa
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Definitely play through the OG on PS2 at some point. The 60fps CGI scenes are really cool. The atmosphere/music is so damn good. The voice acting is better too, it's crazy how good it is for the fever dream vibe.
TerribleAtThisGame
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I just played thr game for three hours straight with headphones. Forgot to turn on any lights. Open the front door to my hallway to go to the store and the bulb went dim
Help me GAF
Help me GAF
Chuck Berry
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Fuck this whole place and those fucking spider mannequins. Watching them crawl around is straight up Friedkin Exorcist shit.
Fuck it all in the best way possible I’m just in constant panic mode. The silver lining to the whole thing is having a bunch of ammo but even that doesn’t help me from shitting myself.
GOTY probably
Fuck it all in the best way possible
I’m just in constant panic mode. The silver lining to the whole thing is having a bunch of ammo but even that doesn’t help me from shitting myself. GOTY probably
SkylineRKR
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Yeah and this is about the Enhanced Edition, not even the vanilla PS2 game.
Ofcourse its an all time classic, but I agree, nostalgia aside I can't see how the original is better than this one. With RE2 I sort of can get behind this opinion, because the new game makes quite some drastic changes that I also didn't like (Mr.X appearing in scenario A, the raid being shown on VHS only and many other changes). But Bloober sticked more to the original SH2 than Capcom themselves did with RE.
In a way Bloober, who not many had faith in, was perhaps the perfect choice. Because they were clearly fans of the original, and weren't pompous enough to create their own shit out of it. Good supervision is what matters. We've seen it before with FeelPlus (a B-studio sort of comparable to Bloober) creating Lost Odyssey, supervised by Mistwalker. That game trounced FFXIII from Square. Miyamoto visited and roasted Retro Studios, who were doing quite awful, and they came with Metroid Prime as a result.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
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Just read Big Jay's note.
THQ Nordic came close, but Bloober nailed it.
THQ Nordic came close, but Bloober nailed it.
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Man the Dual Sense’s vibration adds so much to the tension. Just that very low intensity rapid shit feels like electricity in your hands
Chuck Berry
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Madflavor
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This game does an amazing job making you feel like you've descended into hell.
Not me lol. "Leave" is the most fitting ending imo. To me SH2 is a story about punishment and redemption. Granted there's multiple ways you can approach the game, which will determine your ending. In "Leave" James resists temptation from Maria and remains loyal to Mary, suffers the entire game, and literally goes through hell in order to find her. In the end he forgives himself, and finds a new reason to live. I know "Water" is seen as the happy ending in Japan due to their views on death being different than ours, but I always found "Leave" to be the most fitting ending to the story as presented. It's also the only ending that resolves the situation with Laura. You never know what happens to her in "Maria" and "Water".
Not me lol. "Leave" is the most fitting ending imo. To me SH2 is a story about punishment and redemption. Granted there's multiple ways you can approach the game, which will determine your ending. In "Leave" James resists temptation from Maria and remains loyal to Mary, suffers the entire game, and literally goes through hell in order to find her. In the end he forgives himself, and finds a new reason to live. I know "Water" is seen as the happy ending in Japan due to their views on death being different than ours, but I always found "Leave" to be the most fitting ending to the story as presented. It's also the only ending that resolves the situation with Laura. You never know what happens to her in "Maria" and "Water".
Itchy Tickles
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Just noticed there was an update to the cutscene fix. It now still uses ultrawide with no black bars, but the frame rate is finally fixed.
It used to be the frame rate was showing to be high, but the animations, etc, were still locked at 30. Now everything is smooth.
It used to be the frame rate was showing to be high, but the animations, etc, were still locked at 30. Now everything is smooth.
The Saint
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One thing I really hate is something that too many games are doing these days. You open up 5 drawers or more and you find one health drink and 1-2 bullets. I know it is survival horror, but I am sick of games making me open everything I see and getting very little pay off for my efforts. I hated it in the last of us, the evil within, and in this and others. You don't have to give me 50 bullets per drawer, but I do expect at least 5-10 if you are going to send me on these pixel hunts. Even worse is when opening several in a row and they are all empty.
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The Saint
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seriously. the enemies move way too fast and there are so many of them in many sections of it. A certain revolver wielding boss does WAY too much damage. Even on the easier setting. Like my dude, who gave you the 357 from dirty harry or Barry's Colt Python from Resident Evil!? I had 17 full cure items at that point, and it dropped down to 7 by the time I was done. $^#*.
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Hugare
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Nah
If there's ammo in every drawer, then you dont feel the reward when you find some. You already expect it to be there. Becomes too "gamey" and predictable.
Not to mention that would be unrealistic to have ammo in every drawer in the game (I know its fantasy, but still needs to feel believable.)
I love it, for the reasons above
balls of snow
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Started playing on hard combat /medium puzzle but thinking about dropping to medium combat if it gets annoying with multiple enemies later. Evil Within 1 on release was my absolute limit on how hard a horror game should be and having enemies
really fucks up my inventory management. Probably do a ng+ on easy combat hard puzzles later.
resurect randomly
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God toward the end of the Blue Creek Apartments it was pulsing in intensity in sync with the sound and it was so fuckin dope. I don’t think another game has used the dual sense as effectively outside of Astro Bot, and it’s natively supported on PC. Well done
Madflavor
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I’ve been doing my first playthrough on Hard Combat. Currently in the last area. Best advice I can give people is try to get decent with the dodge mechanic, and don’t be shy about reloading if you’re not happy with how you cleared some rooms. You do really need to conserve ammo for Boss Fights. Bosses take a ridiculous amount of punishment on Hard.
TerribleAtThisGame
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It's like every time I think I can't possibly handle more and it can't possibly get worse, the game hits a new peak of depravity and makes a previous scenario seem almost tame. I actually sometimes have to pause and almost laugh in disbelief at how fucking dark and horrific this game looks and sounds.
Arachnid
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Just made it out of Blue Creek. My god, the relief. That was a hell of a trial. I'm legit drained (and terrified of the inevitible next otherworld section).
I completely get that. It's a great ending too. This always varies from player to player, and there are great points for both endings, so neither are wrong
Maria ending is factually wrong though idgaf
To me, "In Water" always just seemed more thematically appropriate for such a sad tone/bittersweet game. When you look at all the other characters the town torments, not a single one of them forgives themselves or rises above their respective issues. Eddie gets falls to/repeats his trauma over and over until he just straight up becomes an unremorseful shooter lashing out. Angela submits to the flames and effectively commits suicide. James making it out when she doesn't of all people just rubs me wrong.
There's also this official concept art from SH4, though obviously it never made it into the game so it's nothing concrete.
It doesn't quite matter, but both Cihi and Ito chose 'In Water' as their personal canons too, just because it felt more thematically appropriate.
There's also the fact that both James and Mary were stated to have gone missing in Silent Hill in both The Room and Homecoming. It's possible James went into hiding, but he doesn't strike me as quite capable of dodging a manhunt or going underground with a new identity. Especially with Laura in tow.
It also just made more sense to me in that he ultimately pays for his sins and finds rest with Mary in the lake, In the beginning of the game, Mary's corpse is literally in the backseat of his car. The main thing that always rubbed me wrong in "Leave" is James just taking Laura all hunky dory back to the car with Mary's corpse there to adopt her or whatever is implied. It's weird, and almost dreamlike in how tidy and happy it is. How is Laura going to react to seeing her surrogate mothers week old body in this guys car? Does she just live the rest of her life keeping Mary's murder a secret for him?
I personally think SH2 is the last horror game that should have a happy ending.
To me, "In Water" always just seemed more thematically appropriate for such a sad tone/bittersweet game. When you look at all the other characters the town torments, not a single one of them forgives themselves or rises above their respective issues. Eddie gets falls to/repeats his trauma over and over until he just straight up becomes an unremorseful shooter lashing out. Angela submits to the flames and effectively commits suicide. James making it out when she doesn't of all people just rubs me wrong.
There's also this official concept art from SH4, though obviously it never made it into the game so it's nothing concrete.
It doesn't quite matter, but both Cihi and Ito chose 'In Water' as their personal canons too, just because it felt more thematically appropriate.
There's also the fact that both James and Mary were stated to have gone missing in Silent Hill in both The Room and Homecoming. It's possible James went into hiding, but he doesn't strike me as quite capable of dodging a manhunt or going underground with a new identity. Especially with Laura in tow.
It also just made more sense to me in that he ultimately pays for his sins and finds rest with Mary in the lake, In the beginning of the game, Mary's corpse is literally in the backseat of his car. The main thing that always rubbed me wrong in "Leave" is James just taking Laura all hunky dory back to the car with Mary's corpse there to adopt her or whatever is implied. It's weird, and almost dreamlike in how tidy and happy it is. How is Laura going to react to seeing her surrogate mothers week old body in this guys car? Does she just live the rest of her life keeping Mary's murder a secret for him?
I personally think SH2 is the last horror game that should have a happy ending.
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TheDarkPhantom
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The first Pyramid Head fight is on a timer, I cleared it without firing a single bullet. The rest though? Yeah
On PS5 it can be turned off in the settings, PC doesn't have that option? Strange if so.
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Right near the very end, what a ride, epic post incoming once it's all done and I've gathered my thoughts.