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ManaByte · 2024-12-10T16:52:54+0000

As ‘Kraven’ Hunts for Audience, Sony's Marvel Universe Takes Final Bow for Now | Analysis

Sony's Marvel universe ends with empty "Kraven" panel at CCXP, marking the conclusion of failed experiment in Spider-Man-less superhero films.

www.thewrap.com

Kraven is the last spin off movie. People didn’t even show up for a free screening at CCXP in Brazil. They’re focusing on Spider-Man 4, Spider-Verse, and the Noir series.

RagnarokIV · 2024-12-10T16:56:32+0000

I suggest Sam Raimi to have full creative control for adapting Spider-Man: Reign with Tobey Maguire.

ManaByte · 2024-12-10T16:56:59+0000

RagnarokIV said:
I suggest Sam Raimi to have full creative control for adapting Spider-Man: Reign with Tobey Maguire.

He’s busy with Doctor Strange 3.

Hookshot · 2024-12-10T16:57:10+0000

I'm done with them after they wasted Sydney Sweeney's tits in the last film.

TheMan · 2024-12-10T17:00:00+0000

Hookshot said:
I'm done with them after they wasted Sydney Sweeney's tits in the last film.

What a shame. Those are A+ baps

AJUMP23 · 2024-12-10T17:08:13+0000

The movie looks awful. I think they tried to go a gore route to attract an audience and the movie just looks bland. Kraven is not a great character anyway IMO.

Anti hero movies are not really my thing anyway.

Badlucktroll · 2024-12-10T17:17:46+0000

Sam Raimi should do live action Miles Morales

AJUMP23 · 2024-12-10T17:27:01+0000

Badlucktroll said:
Sam Raimi should do live action Miles Morales

That might be fun. It would be hard to do Miles without people making it part of the dumb culture war. It could happen. I also think you want an older Peter for Miles. I guess you bring back Tobey to show Miles the ropes.

Blade2.0 · 2024-12-10T17:33:06+0000

AJUMP23 said:
The movie looks awful. I think they tried to go a gore route to attract an audience and the movie just looks bland. Kraven is not a great character anyway IMO.

Anti hero movies are not really my thing anyway.

I think kraven only makes sense as an R movie, though. Venom being PG-13 was always dumb. You're biting off heads but too squeamish to show it...

gothmog · 2024-12-10T17:36:32+0000

Sounds more like Sony's shitty attempts at the extended Spider-Man universe is dead. They're going to go back to making actual money on the MCU related stuff. Also don't they have another spider verse moving coming?

touchfuzzy · 2024-12-10T18:24:57+0000

This did kind of seem like easy money that they screwed up after Venom was a hit. Their problem was picking all the lamest Spider-Man villains to try and build around, and also not ever actually incorporating Spider-Man. Morbius? Kraven? Madame Web? Brutal. They should've tried making actually good Doctor Octopus and Green Goblin movies then all had a team up with Venom against Spider-Man. Billions made.

Decal4 · 2024-12-10T18:39:54+0000

AJUMP23 said:
That might be fun. It would be hard to do Miles without people making it part of the dumb culture war. It could happen. I also think you want an older Peter for Miles. I guess you bring back Tobey to show Miles the ropes.

Agreed it would be a culture war thing for the YT grifters, but I think we could still have it and enjoy it. Toby could play old Peter and I would totally do a trilogy of live action Miles Morales, whoever wrote the first film wrote it well and I think that I would enjoy paying for and buying live-action movies of that same character.

Peter Parker is a character that sells movies, Miles too, Yes their superpowers sure are similar but they're different enough that they can both work, both is good.

Doom85 · 2024-12-11T00:59:30+0000

AJUMP23 said:
Kraven is not a great character anyway IMO.

Kraven’s Last Hunt is widely considered one of, if not THE, best Spider-man comic story arcs. But of course it also has Spider-man in it, which obviously this movie won’t. Even if Last Hunt is still mostly praised for delving into Kraven as a character, Spider-man was still an essential element of the story regardless.

IntentionalPun · 2024-12-11T01:17:33+0000

Meh on Sam Raimi. I do enjoy the first 2 of his Spidey movies but find his style to be pretty outdated. Doctor Strange 2 is just goofy as all hell to me.

I'm a known hater though.

rm082e · 2024-12-11T01:30:39+0000

IDGAF about live action SM movies, but I'm still excited for Spider-verse 3. My son and I will be there opening weekend.

ReBurn · 2024-12-11T02:46:41+0000

I never thought Sony's spider-verse was compelling. I liked the MCU movies better than the Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield movies. The early Spidey movies were ok popcorn flicks but I never felt like they lived up to the character. I haven't really liked any of the extended universe movies.

I am glad that much of what happens with Spidey currently outside of Disney's control. The MCU has mostly been in decline for me since the infinity saga wrapped.

ManaByte · 2024-12-11T02:50:06+0000

ReBurn said:
I am glad that much of what happens with Spidey currently outside of Disney's control.

Marvel Studios produces the live action Spider-Man movies. The garbage villain movies are the ones Marvel has nothing to do with.

SF Kosmo · 2024-12-11T03:03:37+0000

Spider-Verse is the path forward for Sony. Nothing about the Morbius Cinematic Universe ever worked. Venom and Tom Hardy are enough of a draw to make money but the movies were still dumb and bad.

ReBurn · 2024-12-11T03:07:02+0000

ManaByte said:
Marvel Studios produces the live action Spider-Man movies. The garbage villain movies are the ones Marvel has nothing to do with.

Yeah, I don't like the Villain movies at all.

CokeDiet · 2024-12-11T03:35:59+0000

It looks better than morbius and madame web, but these superhero movies have been done to death.

I say reject all the Sony Spider-Man secondary character movies, spider-verse and Tom Holland movies and embrace the brilliance of Italian Spider-Man!

ManaByte · 2024-12-11T03:37:35+0000

CokeDiet said:
It looks better than morbius

It’s a remake of Morbius. Kraven gets powers from lion blood instead of bat blood.

DeafTourette · 2024-12-11T03:40:00+0000

CokeDiet · 2024-12-11T04:06:44+0000

ManaByte said:
It’s a remake of Morbius. Kraven gets powers from lion blood instead of bat blood.

That makes sense. In that case, with that winning formula can Sony pictures stop fucking around and make a movie about a man who has a peyote and tequila fuelled night which contains an incident with a honey badger?

That's the kind of chaos that would fill cinema seats. Just make sure it gets a hard R rating.

NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt · 2024-12-11T04:09:13+0000

ManaByte said:
He’s busy with Doctor Strange 3.

That's what I want. I love Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness

FunkMiller · 2024-12-11T06:09:55+0000

The only way to do villains as protagonists correctly is the way HBO just did it with The Penguin. Trying to turn villains into heroes because you can't make movies with your hero was always going to be a dumb idea.

Ulysses 31 · 2024-12-11T10:07:58+0000

FunkMiller said:
The only way to do villains as protagonists correctly is the way HBO just did it with The Penguin. Trying to turn villains into heroes because you can't make movies with your hero was always going to be a dumb idea.

I think you mean anti-heroes than actual heroes.

Wandering Leopard · 2024-12-11T11:12:17+0000

I wonder how these movies get made, and who is asking for side/minor characters to get their own movies.

The Cockatrice · 2024-12-11T11:20:13+0000

Spider-Man universe without Spider-Man fails.

//DEVIL// · 2024-12-11T14:08:02+0000

Hookshot said:
I'm done with them after they wasted Sydney Sweeney's tits in the last film.

which film is that for my friend ?

Hookshot · 2024-12-11T14:30:58+0000

//DEVIL// said:
which film is that for my friend ?

Madame Web

ManaByte · 2024-12-11T14:38:24+0000

Wandering Leopard said:
I wonder how these movies get made, and who is asking for side/minor characters to get their own movies.

This all sprung from the massive (financial) failure of Amazing Spider-Man 2. The movie cost Sony something like $75 million when The Avengers made over $1 billion. So Sony went to Marvel Studios to produce the live action Spider-Man movies.

In the deal, Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige would produce the movies with Amy Pascal at Sony through her shingle Pascal Pictures. Avi Arad and Matt
Tolmach would not be involved at all as the blame for the Amazing Spider-Man series fell on them:

With Marvel Deal, Sony Opts to Lease Rather Than Sell Spider-Man

Instead of selling the rights to the web-slinging superhero back to Marvel, Sony eschewed the quick cash in return for the benefits of free exposure to a younger, rebooted Spider-Man franchise.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

In addition to Garfield finding himself on the outside of the franchise, director Marc Webb will not be back to complete a third Spider-Man (the studio originally envisioned its Amazing Spider-Man oeuvre as a trilogy with Webb and Garfield aboard for all three). Amazing producers Matt Tolmach and Avi Arad have been downgraded to executive producers, with no real say in the creative direction of the franchise.

Too keep Avi Arad happy, Sony created the Sony Universe of Marvel Characters (Venom, Venom Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, Madame Web, Venom the Last Dance, and Kraven).

Avi Arad also produced Borderlands and is producing The Legend of Zelda. With the villain's universe dead, time for him to kill Link.

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