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[//DEVIL//]

The Z1 Extreme is more than 1 year old by now, but it can run all the current games ( even though at low settings ),

I wonder how Powerful the APU in Switch 2 is compared to the Z 1 extreme.

There is the price factor to be added too as Switch 2 wouldn’t be more than 400$ or at worse a 500$ console compared to how expensive something like the Rog Ally X.


Are there any leaked numbers or any indication of how powerful the Switch 2 is?

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

Hopefully more powerful than the PS4 at least with it's newer hardware. Can't wait to see how the next big AAA Zelda would be like using the full potential of the Switch 2.

 

[kevboard]

yes... at least docked. it will be anywhere between an RTX 3050 Mobile and an RTX 3050ti Mobile

(the test in this video/screenshot was without using DLSS, but instead using FSR2, which runs slower than DLSS)


we know it uses the Tegra T239.
the Tegra T239 has 1536 CUDA cores.

if we assume it runs at 1ghz when docked:
1000 × 1536 × 2 = 3.072.000 (3.072 TFLOPS)
clock × CUDA cores × 2
this falls in line with a mobile RTX 3050 (~2.916 TFLOPS)

if we assume it reaches the exact same clock speed that the Tegra X1+ (used in the Switch OLED) can reach (1.267ghz)
1267 × 1536 × 2 = 3.892.224 (3.892 TFLOPS)
clock × CUDA cores × 2
this falls in line with a mobile RTX 3050ti (~3.763 TFLOPS)




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[lughnasadh123]

You get cheaper or more powerful. You don't get both.

 

[onnextflix5]

We have all the leaked specs but we no idea how what Nintendo is clocking the apu at, expect around 3tf docked and 2tf undocked.

 

[Mister Wolf]

In raw power no. In image quality yes. As the Elden Ring port will make for the perfect benchmark.

 

[ZehDon]

Nintendo are pretty much the last pure console company in the game, and they understand their assignment: deliver a cheap console and outstanding games. Given how under-powered the Switch ultimately is, I imagine the Switch 2 will perform on-par with the LCD Steam Deck, keeping it two generations behind the rest of the industry. With that said, if they're staying with NVidia, I would expect their platform-level AI upscaling to push its performance higher.

 

[//DEVIL//]

In raw power no. In image quality yes. As the Elden Ring port will make for the perfect benchmark.

didn’t know they were planning to port it.

 

[Mister Wolf]

didn’t know they were planning to port it.

Rumor - 'Virtuos' to port Elden Ring: Definitive Edition to Switch 2

www.neogaf.com

 

[Raploz]

No, please watch:


It will perform about the same as an RTX 2050 or an MX570 4GB with optimization.

 

[existensmaximum]

No, please watch:


It will perform about the same as an RTX 2050 or an MX570 4GB with optimization.

And let's see at what clock speeds. The Switch was clocked considerably lower than everyone was expecting in order to keep battery life up and thermals down.

I'm also guessing we don't know anything yet about memory/IO/internal storage speeds etc? So real world performance is just guesswork.

 

[FalconPunch]

In raw power no. In image quality yes. As the Elden Ring port will make for the perfect benchmark.

Nope because dlss quality looks bad at 1080p/720p and it's inferior to native 1080p/720p.

 

[Raploz]

And let's see at what clock speeds. The Switch was clocked considerably lower than everyone was expecting in order to keep battery life up and thermals down.

I'm also guessing we don't know anything yet about memory/IO/internal storage speeds etc? So real world performance is just guesswork.

We know it will have 12GB of LPDDR5X and 256GB of UFS 3.1 storage from leaked Vietnamese shipping data

 

[existensmaximum]

We know it will have 12GB of LPDDR5X and 256GB of UFS 3.1 storage from leaked Vietnamese shipping data

Yeah, but when it comes to real world I/O and loading speeds etc, they should depend on clock speeds and other unknown factors?

 

[Deerock71]

Nintendo are pretty much the last pure console company in the game, and they understand their assignment: deliver a cheap console and outstanding games. Given how under-powered the Switch ultimately is, I imagine the Switch 2 will perform on-par with the LCD Steam Deck, keeping it two generations behind the rest of the industry. With that said, if they're staying with NVidia, I would expect their platform-level AI upscaling to push its performance higher.

Also at least 2.5-3 hours of battery life.

 

[Dorfdad]

No the chip for the switch 2 is like 5 years old already. It doesn’t have to be as powerful as long as it has features that maximize gaming! That said the rig cpu is better

 

[Danjin44]

All I care about is what Monolith Soft will do with the new system. Monolith Soft did amazing stuff with underpowered Switch.

 

[SHA]

It will obviously be a lot smarter in a meaningful way like when the current switch launched and that's what matters the most. Yes there's no doubt they'll look stupid after Nintendo announcing the switch 2.

 

[Raploz]

Yeah, but when it comes to real world I/O and loading speeds etc, they should depend on clock speeds and other unknown factors?

IO speed shouldn't be a problem because the T239 has a dedicated decompression block. We don't know about clock speeds for the GPU and CPU, but considering the chip in it it definitely won't be as powerful as the Ally X, but it will have some features to make it punch above its weight like DLSS and dedicated ports on an optimized system.

 

[hemo memo]

I don’t think it will be more powerful than the PS4, to be honest. That's fine. Just don't reduce the battery life too much.

 

[chokotoureiki]

Is the Ally X profitable to Asus? I very strongly doubt it will be more powerful if Nintendo's main concern is profit. They will never sacrifice profitability for more power.

 

[existensmaximum]

IO speed shouldn't be a problem because the T239 has a dedicated decompression block. We don't know about clock speeds for the GPU and CPU, but considering the chip in it it definitely won't be as powerful as the Ally X, but it will have some features to make it punch above its weight like DLSS and dedicated ports on an optimized system.

Exactly, that's what I'm saying there's also a lot of things Nintendo could do, but won't do.

But I'm also saying that it will have a very constrained power budget and that a lot of people here will get very, very disappointed. Expectations are all over the place.

 

[SweetTooth]

No dude, its Nintendo

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No, but it will play better looking games.

 

[family_guy]

Possibly at lower wattages, but I don't think so if Ally is in Turbo mode.

 

[Klosshufvud]

Nooooo.

The Ally X has a 25W TDP. The Switch 2 will be most likely sub 10. This alone means there is no way in hell they will come even close. The Z1E is a high end chip consisting of high performing CPU cores and 4nm RDNA3 CUs. Nvidia is not magic and Nintendo does not care about performance. The Ally X could never be sold for $400 and still hit a profit. Abandon these delusions.

 

[Kataploom]

Nintendo are pretty much the last pure console company in the game, and they understand their assignment: deliver a cheap console and outstanding games. Given how under-powered the Switch ultimately is, I imagine the Switch 2 will perform on-par with the LCD Steam Deck, keeping it two generations behind the rest of the industry. With that said, if they're staying with NVidia, I would expect their platform-level AI upscaling to push its performance higher.

Companies are eating into their terrain and people are emulating Switch in more powerful devices, the only way they can get away from that is by making another unique feature or make Switch 2 powerful enough to delay emulation and to prevent companies to make their competing products look more appealing imo

 

[Robb]

I’d expect a huge jump from the current Switch, but nothing that competes with modern specs.

But hopefully it’ll be able to punch above its weight with DLSS etc.

 

[kevboard]

Nooooo.

The Ally X has a 25W TDP. The Switch 2 will be most likely sub 10. This alone means there is no way in hell they will come even close. The Z1E is a high end chip consisting of high performing CPU cores and 4nm RDNA3 CUs. Nvidia is not magic and Nintendo does not care about performance. The Ally X could never be sold for $400 and still hit a profit. Abandon these delusions.

1: Nvidia
2: ARM
3: docked mode exists

 

[ZehDon]

Companies are eating into their terrain and people are emulating Switch in more powerful devices, the only way they can get away from that is by making another unique feature or make Switch 2 powerful enough to delay emulation and to prevent companies to make their competing products look more appealing imo

The Switch is still selling, and those devices have been on the market for some time. I imagine Nintendo's not going to attempt to create security through obscurity; platform-level AI upscaling (presuming they remain on NVidia hardware) would already create difficulties for accurate emulation.

 

[chokotoureiki]

How many ppl here think that Switch 2 will be the same price as Switch at $300 or the OLED at $350? Or possibly even at $400?

 

[Kataploom]

The Switch is still selling, and those devices have been on the market for some time. I imagine Nintendo's not going to attempt to create security through obscurity; platform-level AI upscaling (presuming they remain on NVidia hardware) would already create difficulties for accurate emulation.

Yeah, that would contribute but I don't think they'd put all the eggs in a single basket, imo the Switch 2 being as powerful as speculated with leaked specs is powerful enough to close the competitors gap for a while, but it still looks too good to be true for many

 

[Robb]

How many ppl here think that Switch 2 will be the same price as Switch at $300 or the OLED at $350? Or possibly even at $400?

$400/$450 range would be my guess.

 

[IAmRei]

All I care about is what Monolith Soft will do with the new system. Monolith Soft did amazing stuff with underpowered Switch.

They are wizard, especially in term of optimization

 

[Danjin44]

They are wizard, especially in term of optimization

Nintendo acquiring Monolith Soft was smartest decision they ever made.

 

[Xyphie]

A 12SM nvidia GPU will outperform a 12CU Amd GPU in raw raster perf. But only at similar TDP, so it's going to come down to final clocks.

 

[IAmRei]

Nintendo acquiring Monolith Soft was smartest decision they ever did.

Yes yes, even their own product still hold up quite well in sales.

 

[Danjin44]

Yes yes, even their own product still hold up quite well in sales.

Yup, Monolith Soft is my biggest reason why I'm excited for Nintendo's next system.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

 

[Magic Carpet]

How many ppl here think that Switch 2 will be the same price as Switch at $300 or the OLED at $350? Or possibly even at $400?

I'm willing to bet my lunch that it will launch at 499.99 USD.
It will sell along with the Switch 1 for quite a bit of time. Possibly 2 years. (Back compat and all that).
Then at some point they will stop making Switch 1 and lower the price of the Switch 2.

 

[Stu_Hart]

Nintendo diehards will tell that it doesn't need to be powerful and will then port beg 3rd party games after that.

 

[IAmRei]

Nintendo diehards will tell that it doesn't need to be powerful and will then port beg 3rd party games after that.

nintendo fans has 1st party, and own other console, or pc, or both. And as far as I know they are fine with 1st.

 

[Darkness_Arises]

yes... at least docked. it will be anywhere between an RTX 3050 Mobile and an RTX 3050ti Mobile

(the test in this video/screenshot was without using DLSS, but instead using FSR2, which runs slower than DLSS)


we know it uses the Tegra T239.
the Tegra T239 has 1536 CUDA cores.

if we assume it runs at 1ghz when docked:
1000 × 1536 × 2 = 3.072.000 (3.072 TFLOPS)
clock × CUDA cores × 2
this falls in line with a mobile RTX 3050 (~2.916 TFLOPS)

if we assume it reaches the exact same clock speed that the Tegra X1+ (used in the Switch OLED) can reach (1.267ghz)
1267 × 1536 × 2 = 3.892.224 (3.892 TFLOPS)
clock × CUDA cores × 2
this falls in line with a mobile RTX 3050ti (~3.763 TFLOPS)




next question

The Tegra is going to be crippled by piss poor bandwidth and cache size, next question. The Switch 2 will not be as performant (real world not theoretical FLOPs) as the mobile 3050 or the 3050ti, handheld or docked.

 

[willothedog]

 

[Leopold]

Hopefully. I must say that my steam deck was a major game changer and surely the best device I have. I really expect that Nintendo can get a powerful device.

 

[TrebleShot]

No because of battery

 

[CS Lurker]

In CPU, no. It will lose by a good margin. Now, when docked, Switch 2's GPU could potentially beat it (before DLSS).

 

[Darkness_Arises]

No because of battery

It will perform better in docked mode, but yes Nintendo will want to buy the cheapest, smallest and reliable battery they can get away with. The only way to meet these engineering constraints is to compromise on discharge rate, I fully expect 10W system power in handheld mode and will be pleasantly surprised if it can be pushed to 15W.

 

[kevboard]

No because of battery

 

[buenoblue]

Maybe they will have external battery like vision pro