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Sgt. Pinback

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You’re right.

PC gamers have stronger taste.

Mostly GaaS and a game called Banana in the Top 10.

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You have nothing to feel superior about, console friendo. The top ten of every platform is riddled with hot garbage - including Sony's.
 

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You’re right.

PC gamers have stronger taste.

Mostly GaaS and a game called Banana in the Top 10.


15 of the 20 games most downloaded on PS5 in 2024 were GaaS or games with active GaaS components like GTA Online. James Sawyer Ford James Sawyer Ford thinks games with co-op are also Gaas, so it's 16 counting Space Marine 2.

I swear I already had this exact exchange with jimmothy in a different topic.


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DrMano

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Nah, despite the game's wokeness, it's still a great game and has great user ratings on meta which is known to review bomb almost every exclusive, and especially any woke game. So the game is great. The game was the fastest selling ps5 game in history at the time. And continued to sell great after the initial launch period. 5 million in 11 days, then 11 million in 6 months. Compared to TLOU2 which did get impacted by the word of mouth and sold 11 million in 4 years after launching with 4 million sales in just 3 days.

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If PC players are such snowflakes that they cant handle some gay shit in sidequests then perhaps Sony should abandon this toxic audience which is more concerned with politics than actual video game design, and focus on gamers who actually reward great games them with sales.
Anyone who doesn't like the game won't be buying it, and at most they'd meme on it on some board/forum as many are doing here right now while its trending. You are the one who is coming off as an insecure butthurt snowflake that wants people to solely praise the game.
 
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diffusionx

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Nah, despite the game's wokeness, it's still a great game and has great user ratings on meta which is known to review bomb almost every exclusive, and especially any woke game. So the game is great. The game was the fastest selling ps5 game in history at the time. And continued to sell great after the initial launch period. 5 million in 11 days, then 11 million in 6 months. Compared to TLOU2 which did get impacted by the word of mouth and sold 11 million in 4 years after launching with 4 million sales in just 3 days.

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If PC players are such snowflakes that they cant handle some gay shit in sidequests then perhaps Sony should abandon this toxic audience which is more concerned with politics than actual video game design, and focus on gamers who actually reward great games them with sales.
It's not a great game. And even the original 2018 game didn't do super great on PC IIRC (although significantly better than this so far).

Yea, PS5 and PC userbase is different. Generally people who like Sony's games buy Sony's hardware. It's kind of the point of building a platform, something Sony is throwing away for some reason.
 

Muddy

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15 of the 20 games most downloaded on PS5 in 2024 were GaaS or games with active GaaS components like GTA Online. James Sawyer Ford James Sawyer Ford thinks games with co-op are also Gaas, so it's 16 counting Space Marine 2.

I swear I already had this exact exchange with jimmothy in a different topic.


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And I go back to the original comment I replied to.

Do PC gamers have stronger taste? You just proved they play the same shit as PS5 gamers.

Including Banana.
 

Muddy

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You have nothing to feel superior about, console friendo. The top ten of every platform is riddled with hot garbage - including Sony's.

I never claimed superiority.

Your colleague claimed PC gamers have stronger taste.

Not true is it? You play the same shit as console gamers and Banana of course.
 

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I never claimed superiority.

Your colleague claimed PC gamers have stronger taste.

Not true is it? You play the same shit as console gamers and Banana of course.
I don't have 'colleagues' on anonymous internet forums, pal.

And, the repeated mention of Banana - a free to play idle clicker made in Unity - isn't the winning dunk you seem to think it is.

The point that I made, which seemed to elude you, is that the top 20 for every platform is riddled with dog shit.
 

Muddy

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I don't have 'colleagues' on anonymous internet forums, pal.

And, the repeated mention of Banana - a free to play idle clicker made in Unity - isn't the winning dunk you seem to think it is.

The point that I made, which seemed to elude you, is that the top 20 for every platform is riddled with dog shit.

I’m not your pal. I don’t have pals on an anonymous internet forum.

Like I said earlier, I was replying to someone who claimed PC gamers have stronger taste. Which is nonsense.

Nowhere did I say PS5 gamers have stronger taste.
 

FoxMcChief

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I wonder what the top 20 looks like in comparison between Steam, PS5 and Xbox. I bet we see a lot of the same games, with an Xbox game on top of all the lists.
 

Muddy

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If you're going to waste everyone's time by arguing about absolutely fuck all, why don't you experiment with being funny or something while you do it?

Stop wasting my time and putting words into my mouth.

I never claimed superiority or console gamers have stronger taste.

I simply replied to someone who claimed PC gamers have stronger taste. Reality is they play the same shit as console gamers including games like Banana.

Go figure.
 

Sgt. Pinback

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Stop wasting my time and putting words into my mouth.

I never claimed superiority or console gamers have stronger taste.

I simply replied to someone who claimed PC gamers have stronger taste. Reality is they play the same shit as console gamers including games like Banana.

Go figure.
You keep saying the same thing over and over again. Nobody gives a shit about you, or who you replied to. It was pointed out, correctly, to you that the top10 for every platform is riddled with garbage.

In response, you're having some kind of retard meltdown where you say the word 'Banana' over and over again.

Just calm down and go touch grass.
 

Muddy

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You keep saying the same thing over and over again. Nobody gives a shit about you, or who you replied to. It was pointed out, correctly, to you that the top10 for every platform is riddled with garbage.

In response, you're having some kind of retard meltdown where you say the word 'Banana' over and over again.

Just calm down and go touch grass.

You gave a shit. You replied to my post.

Conveniently ignoring the one who actually claimed one platform has stronger taste.

Respond to them.
 

DaciaJC

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Why do people act like any Playstation ports on PC do well at all? They all failed to make any noise. The only game that made any profit was Horizon Zero Dawn, and thats mostly because it was the first Playstation port, but that too didnt sell much either. Their ports average 40-70M revenue from sales, which pretty much only covers some of the development costs.

Only “some” of the costs? The Insomniac leak showed the expenditures for each of the initial slew of PC ports were all in the 1-5 million dollar range. What source led you to believe that a basic port costs over 70 million, lol that’s a ludicrous figure.
 

simpatico

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Instant bad word of mouth on performance. So even if you dodged every misandrist, gendery, square-jawed bullet up to this point, Nixxes had one more waiting. Seems to be crashing problems too. I wonder if this is why Sony didn't even bother renting the banner.
 

Crayon

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I have permanent palm marks on my forehead with all your woke bogeymen...

....but there's no denying what they did with mj here. One person in a meeting showed this homely-fied version of her, and every other motherfucker there was scared to say she should be prettier.
 

mckmas8808

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How some people dare to say this game isn't woke is beyond me:

1. You got a mission helping a black blind woman.
2. You got a side mission helping a black deaf girl, which has several appearances in the game.
3. A side mission helping two gays date (da fuk?).
4. Black Spider-Man.
5. White Spider-Man turns into a villain and is black Spider-Man who brings the hero back.
5. Mary Jane went from hot to ugly and now is a "strong, brave" type, and even transforms into a She-Venom at some point.
6. Insomniac devs have three different hair dye colors and are Gender Studies graduates.

You hate blind and deaf people?
 

mckmas8808

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Why do people act like any Playstation ports on PC do well at all? They all failed to make any noise. The only game that made any profit was Horizon Zero Dawn, and thats mostly because it was the first Playstation port, but that too didnt sell much either. Their ports average 40-70M revenue from sales, which pretty much only covers some of the development cost. People think that Sony porting their games is the sign of them moving to a multiplatform strategy, when the truth is they're only doing to make extra money they otherwise wouldnt get from PC only players. Nobody says no to more money.

They would be satisfied even if they game peaked at 1k, because its already the fastest selling Playstation studio game. Helldivers 2 sold more faster, but technically Arrow Head isn owned by Sony, and it also released day 1 on PC. Fortunately its full build wasnt leaked on PC like Spiderman 2 was, and has never been the target of culture war attacks from featuring too many black characters for some people to handle.
BUT Almost every PS game has made a profit on PC.
 
Regardless of the port, i said it once and i'll say it again. There isn't that much of an audience for action adventure type of games on PC. Hardly anyone can break the 100k barrier regardless of how big the game is on console.

All those sony games that are praised mentioned here as the greatest games of the generation couldn't do it. And 100k isn't even that high, for games that sell tens of millions on console. Not saying it's bad, but compared to other genres it's really not that much. They dont need their biggest games to break the 100k barrier.
Bullshit plenty of action adventure games sell well on PC. Hogwarts Legacy, Elden Ring, Witcher 3, Monster Hunter. Action adventure is a weird term since most games are action and involve adventure tho. Sony games just aren't as great as Playstation fans hype them up to be. In a free market like PC games have to stand out on their own, Sony doesn't own steam like they own PSN they have to pay valve to advertise and they have to compete with everybody else for gamers attention. I guarantee you if Spiderman 2 was made by CDPR it would have sold massively more on PC but then again CDPR wouldn't make the mistake of launching such a shoddily put together, poorly marketed and delayed non simultaneous launch.
 
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The character creator has body 1, 2, 3, and 4, not male/female. You got a pair of lesbians all up in your face. I found more same-sex couples than straight ones. There’s a trans character albeit, it’s not obvious. Karlach and Shadowheart are at least canonically into women. Dame Aylin goes girlboss all up in your face. The game is just so good that none really cares. It’s as progressive as progressive gets though.
Yes although to BG3s credit you can be more of a asshole and disapprove more freely then you can in Veilguard. It's not dramatic but it could have been worst as we've seen in other games. GTA 6 is on track for being a pretty woke game but I bet it'll sell a ton regardless because people love the franchise, I also expect rockstar to be more subtle about it like CDPR was with cyberpunk and like they'll be with the Witcher 1 remake.
 

Fahdis

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Lol, its funny when PS gamers think having an exclusive fail on PC is the end of the PC strategy 🤣 like what farm did you grow up on eating one vegetable?
 
Crap port, woke game or not, if games like Spider-Man 2, GOW: Ragnarok and Final Fantasy 7 can’t sell millions on PC/Steam with the massive install base and popularity, something is going on. Spider-Man is a mega-popular, huge multi-billion dollar franchise. Those are not good numbers. Maybe it’s also the fact that there are so many games available and it’s a really competitive market? Cyberpunk was an extremely buggy/glitchy and broken game yet it still managed to sell around 13 million on consoles.
 
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Thebonehead

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Stop wasting my time and putting words into my mouth.

I never claimed superiority or console gamers have stronger taste.

I simply replied to someone who claimed PC gamers have stronger taste. Reality is they play the same shit as console gamers including games like Banana.

Go figure.

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Cakeboxer

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Crap port, woke game or not, if games like Spider-Man 2, GOW: Ragnarok and Final Fantasy 7 can’t sell millions on PC/Steam with the massive install base and popularity, something is going on. Spider-Man is a mega-popular, huge multi-billion dollar franchise. Those are not good numbers. Maybe it’s also the fact that there are so many games available and it’s a really competitive market? Cyberpunk was an extremely buggy/glitchy and broken game yet it still managed to sell around 13 million.
I think it's a combination of no marketing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too many (cheap/free) games>>>"old" games. The marketing is the most important factor for PS games. I haven't seen any Astro Bot marketing and although it's a fun game with high ratings and awards it doesn't seem to set the sale charts on fire. I bet with the Spider-Man or TLOU marketing budget it would have already sold millions more.
 

Topher

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I think it's a combination of no marketing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too many (cheap/free) games>>>"old" games. The marketing is the most important factor for PS games. I haven't seen any Astro Bot marketing and although it's a fun game with high ratings and awards it doesn't seem to set the sale charts on fire. I bet with the Spider-Man or TLOU marketing budget it would have already sold millions more.

Single player games like this just do not get a lot of traction on Steam. There are some exceptions, but having at least a coop option in a steam game goes a long way there as PC gamers like to play with their friends much more so than alone.
 

Cakeboxer

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Single player games like this just do not get a lot of traction on Steam. There are some exceptions, but having at least a coop option in a steam game goes a long way there as PC gamers like to play with their friends much more so than alone.
That's too simple. I bet the most popular games on PS are also COD/BF/Siege/Fortnite/Minecraft/Roblox/GTA online/RDR2 online/EA Sports and many more. Also there are very successful singleplayer games like Black Myth or Cyberpunk on Pc and i also think that many pc games with a coop option are still being played singleplayer.

I think the game that is a good comparison for Spider-Man would be Hogwarts Legacy. Both huge and popular franchises, booth singleplayer only and Spider-Man was even rated better. Hogwarts sold great both on Pc and PlayStation. Spider-Man just on PS. There have to be more reasons than that Pc players prefer online games.
 
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That's too easy, i bet the most popular games on PS are also COD/BF/Fortnite/Minecraft/Roblox/GTA online/RDR2 online/EA Sports and many more. Also there are very successful singleplayer games like Black Myth or Cyberpunk on Pc and i also think that many pc games with a coop option are still being played singleplayer.

I think the game that is a good comparison for Spider-Man would be Hogwarts Legacy. Both huge and popular franchises, both singleplayer only. Hogwarts sold great both on Pc and PlayStation. Spider-Man just on PS. There have to be more reasons than that Pc players prefer online games.

Pc players don’t like many SP games, it’s the exception not the rule
 

Topher

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That's too easy, i bet the most popular games on PS are also COD/BF/Fortnite/Minecraft/Roblox/GTA online/RDR2 online/EA Sports and many more. Also there are very successful singleplayer games like Black Myth or Cyberpunk on Pc and i also think that many pc games with a coop option are still being played singleplayer.

I think the game that is a good comparison for Spider-Man would be Hogwarts Legacy. Both huge and popular franchises, both singleplayer only. Hogwarts sold great both on Pc and PlayStation. Spider-Man just on PS. There have to be more reasons than that Pc players prefer online games.

As I said, there are exceptions. I'm not suggesting this is the case across the board by any means. But fact of the matter is that these same Sony games sell a hell of a lot more on PlayStation than they do on PC. That's not all due to marketing. Plenty of people on console just buy console for games like these. Look at the top games on Steam any given day and they are typically dominated by multiplayer games.

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kevboard

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Palworld, Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 all have multiplayer options.

ok, so does DMC3... but let's be real, the percentage of people actually playing Baldur's Gate in coop is probably in the single digits. and Elden Ring's multiplayer the most irrelevant of any souls game, you can't even be invaded anymore unless you play coop.

Palworld, ok fine... that one could have had some more coop players
 

Cakeboxer

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As I said, there are exceptions. I'm not suggesting this is the case across the board by any means. But fact of the matter is that these same Sony games sell a hell of a lot more on PlayStation than they do on PC. That's not all due to marketing. Plenty of people on console just buy console for games like these. Look at the top games on Steam any given day and they are typically dominated by multiplayer games.

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I still think marketing is the biggest reason and if Sony goes day1 we'll see if i was right or not. Like mentioned. Astro Bots without (noteworthy) marketing isn't doing too good compared to the heavily marketed games. Of course those charts are mp dominated. Multiplayer games can be played for an infinite amount of time over years. Singpleplayer games have limited playtime and are most popular during the release date. Another reason i mentioned, games ported after years are not exactly new/hot to many players.
 

Topher

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ok, so does DMC3... but let's be real, the percentage of people actually playing Baldur's Gate in coop is probably in the single digits. and Elden Ring's multiplayer the most irrelevant of any souls game, you can't even be invaded anymore unless you play coop.

Palworld, ok fine... that one could have had some more coop players

Eh....I played plenty of multiplayer in both Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 with my son. Playing coop is the entire point. I don't have numbers to prove that this is a big draw for either game, but I doubt you do either. The point being made here is that Steam is dominated by games centered on multiplayer. You can see that any given day and a few single player games spread out across four years doesn't change that.
 

Gaiff

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As I said, there are exceptions. I'm not suggesting this is the case across the board by any means. But fact of the matter is that these same Sony games sell a hell of a lot more on PlayStation than they do on PC.
Maybe in huge part because they tend to come out much earlier there?
That's not all due to marketing. Plenty of people on console just buy console for games like these. Look at the top games on Steam any given day and they are typically dominated by multiplayer games.

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What new single player game has there been recently? Of course, you won’t see single player games in the top when no big one has come out in over a month. Single player games peak for a few days, people beat them, and they move back to their multiplayer games. I bet you Kingdom Come Deliverance II does excellent numbers when it comes out, but it won’t stay in the top for long.
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Or understand that 1. Late port affect sales and 2. PC players don’t care all that much about Sony exclusives. I know you guys think they’re god’s gift to gaming, but they’re nowhere near as amazing as you or the paid media think they are. When they’re in the hands of neutral people, they don’t get that much fanfare.

As for traditionally PC-oriented devs, duh, just like traditionally Playstation-oriented devs do better on Playstation.
 
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Topher

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I still think marketing is the biggest reason and if Sony goes day1 we'll see if i was right or not. Like mentioned. Astro Bots without (noteworthy) marketing isn't doing too good compared to the heavily marketed games. Of course those charts are mp dominated. Multiplayer games can be played for an infinite amount of time over years. Singpleplayer games have limited playtime and are most popular during the release date. Another reason i mentioned, games ported after years are not exactly new/hot to many players.

Astro Bot isn't Spiderman or God of War though. Winning GOTY at the awards probably boosted the sales a bit, but it is still not a game that is going to appeal to a large group of people. Could be not being day one is a big factor. Not sure we will find out any time soon.
 

kevboard

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Eh....I played plenty of multiplayer in both Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 with my son. Playing coop is the entire point. I don't have numbers to prove that this is a big draw for either game, but I doubt you do either. The point being made here is that Steam is dominated by games centered on multiplayer. You can see that any given day and a few single player games spread out across four years doesn't change that.

still, there is a reason Sega and other publishers that were very anti-pc in the past are all jumping on the PC bandwagon.
PC is the place where more and more publishers (including the ones that make single player games) make the most money these days.
 
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