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Spider-man 2 first day Steam CCU peaked at 18k

Topher

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What new single player game has there been recently? Of course, you won’t see single player games in the top when no big one has come out in over a month. Single player games peak for a few days, people beat them, and they move back to their multiplayer games. I bet you Kingdom Come Deliverance II does excellent numbers when it comes out, but it won’t stay in the top for long.

That's kind of my point. Single player games are a flash in the pan on Steam (with exceptions of course). As I said previously, you are not typically going to see the same kind of traction with those than you do with multiplayer games. I don't think we are disagreeing here.

still, there is a reason Sega and other publishers that were very anti-pc in the past are all jumping on the PC bandwagon.
PC is the place where more and more publishers (including the ones that make single player games) make the most money these days.

Don't disagree with you there.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
That's kind of my point. Single player games are a flash in the pan on Steam (with exceptions of course). As I said previously, you are not typically going to see the same kind of traction with those than you do with multiplayer games. I don't think we are disagreeing here.
Single player games are a flash in the pan everywhere, not just Steam. You won’t see them being the most played games for months, this just doesn’t happen. COD, Fortnite, GTA online, and sports games always dominate the top. It’s the same on Xbox and PS. A new single player game comes out, it’s among the most played for a few days or weeks, and then it gets supplanted by the regular multiplayer games.

They’re infinitely better than the SP slop that’s largely popular on Steam
Not outside of PlayStation land, they aren’t.
The only standout is Elden Ring
Yeah, BG3 and BMW are such terrible games. The Ubisoft open world shit like Horizon and Spider-Man is so much better.
 
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Single player games are a flash in the pan everywhere, not just Steam. You won’t see them being the most played games for months, this just doesn’t happen. COD, Fortnite, GTA online, and sports games always dominate the top. It’s the same on Xbox and PS. A new single player game comes out, it’s among the most played for a few days or weeks and then it gets supplanted by the regular multiplayer games.


Not outside of PlayStation land, they aren’t.

Yeah, BG3 and BMW are such terrible games. The Ubisoft open world shit like Horizon and Spider-Man is so much better.

Of your list, only Elden Ring and BG3 are rated higher than some Sony exclusives, and not by much. The rest is decidedly worse than Sony titles

Sony usually has a GOTY contender or winner every single year.

Sour grapes on your part. Nothing overrated about them at all. Pc gamers like yourself are just entitled as all fuck, not a worse fanbase in gaming
 
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Topher

Identifies as young
Single player games are a flash in the pan everywhere, not just Steam. You won’t see them being the most played games for months, this just doesn’t happen. COD, Fortnite, GTA online, and sports games always dominate the top. It’s the same on Xbox and PS. A new single player game comes out, it’s among the most played for a few days or weeks, and then it gets supplanted by the regular multiplayer games.

Not true for Spider-man 2 my man. That game was on Circana's top 20 best sellers of 2024. It released in Oct 2023.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Of your list, only Elden Ring and BG3 are rated higher than some Sony exclusives, and not by much. The rest is decidedly worse than Sony titles
Decidedly worst according to who? Fucking paid journos who tried to tell us shit-tier Veilguard is great? Tell us more.
Sony usually has a GOTY contender or winner every single year.
Don’t care about a bunch of paid award ceremonies.
Sour grapes on your part. Nothing overrated about them at all.
Sour grapes? The games are available and PC gamers don’t care about them all that much.
Pc gamers like yourself are just entitled as all fuck, not a worse fanbase in gaming
Oh, fuck off. You’re the one getting offended because they don’t give a shit about your Sony games. You’re the one always whining about Sony porting their games and devaluing their franchise as if they owed you shit. You’re the one always bitching in PC threads about PC players not buying Sony games and acting like a spoiled brat because they don’t buy them in droves, and then you have the nerve to call us entitled when you’re the one always throwing tantrums because you feel slighted at PC gamers not especially caring about Sony games.

Here’s the reality: Timing affects sales, and Sony games aren’t so great that PC players are all over them after subpar ports that are one year late. They’re just another publisher to PC gamers and they don’t stand out compared to new exciting releases.

And I'm not a "PC gamer". I game on PC, PS5, Switch, and even Xbox occasionally. I just play games and unlike you, I couldn't care less whether or not they are available on other platforms or how well they sell there. I don't feel those games belong to me and I sure as hell am not the one acting entitled.

Not true for Spider-man 2 my man. That game was on Circana's top 20 best sellers of 2024. It released in Oct 2023.
Best-seller isn’t the same as most played. FF VII Rebirth was briefly among the best sellers. It never sniffed the most played titles. Spider-Man 2 is currently the second top-selling premium title after Civ VII, yet you don't see it anywhere near the most played games.
 
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Oh, fuck off.

You’re the one getting offended

You’re the one always whining

You’re the one always bitching

acting like a spoiled brat

Here’s the reality:

No use arguing with you at all, you turn into childish rage calling others names and have zero self awareness that your argument is absolute nonsense just to further your elitist holier than thou PC perspective.

Sorry, the game quality isn’t overrated, you guys just don’t buy very many SP titles. Fact. The opposite isn’t true; the big pc games are also wildly popular on consoles. PC gamers just have more fickle and limited pallets, and also rage bomb every little thing that isn’t absolutely perfect on your platform
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Eh....ok....we are not going to see eye to eye then. Moving on
I mean, what else is to argue? You're conflating most played with best selling. Spider-Man 2 is the second best selling paid game at the moment on Steam, yet it isn't among the most played, is it?

No use arguing with you at all, you turn into childish rage calling others names and have zero self awareness that your argument is absolute nonsense just to further your elitist holier than thou PC perspective.
I game on every platform, unlike your troll ass. I don't feel PlayStation games belong to me and I don't get upset when other people get to play them. I don't care where they are available outside of where I play. You're the one acting like a real dick about Sony games being ported to PC. You're the one with the insufferable elitist attitude, criticizing PC gamers for playing GAAS and when you're shown PS gamers are no better in that regard, you resort to nonsensical defense. No one owes you shit, kid. Not Sony, not PC gamers, no one. People play what they want to play. You can get upset and angry and go on your fanboy rants all you want, it won't change anything. Elitist attitude when you posted beautiful stuff like this:

Looking at the top list of pc games all being GaaS slop, nope.

Pc gamers enjoy their gaming induced GaaS diabetes
But PC gamers are the ones with the elitist attitude lmao?
Sorry, the game quality isn’t overrated, you guys just don’t buy very many SP titles.
Except when they do.
Fact. The opposite isn’t true; the big pc games are also wildly popular on consoles. PC gamers just have more fickle and limited pallets,
Limited pallets lmao. The weird niche titles almost always find an audience on PC first. Console games is pretty much all AAA action games. WTF are you talking about? Where does odd novelty stuff like Goat Simulator, Lethal Company, Rocket League, or Among Us first finds an audience? PC gamers on the contrary have much broader tastes than console gamers, which is one of the key reasons the appeal of big games is diluted there because there is so much variety. Calling PC gamers' tastes limited compared to console gamers is the epitome of irony when big PlayStation games are pretty much all story-driven third person action games.
 
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Topher

Identifies as young
I mean, what else is to argue? You're conflating most played with best selling. Spider-Man 2 is the second best selling paid game at the moment on Steam, yet it isn't among the most played, is it?

We were referencing single player games as a "flash in the pan" and I think a game that is a best seller for an entire year shows that is not necessarily the case. If you disagree then that is fine, but as I said we are not going to see eye to eye here. We don't have to agree my man.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
We were referencing single player games as a "flash in the pan" and I think a game that is a best seller for an entire year shows that is not necessarily the case. If you disagree then that is fine, but as I said we are not going to see eye to eye here. We don't have to agree my man.
But it's the same on PC? Elden Ring, BMW, Cyberpunk, even games like TW3, Skyrim, and Fallout remain among the best sellers for years. They don't just disappear into irrelevance. They remain among the top 20, 30, or even top 10 for a long time. You just won't see them among the most played games at any given time past their release window and the same goes for console single player games.
 

DaciaJC

Gold Member
Sour grapes on your part. Nothing overrated about them at all. Pc gamers like yourself are just entitled as all fuck, not a worse fanbase in gaming

Bruh, you’re by far the most defensive and insufferable poster on this forum. Hilarious to see you try to paint an entire community as “worst in gaming” when you yourself consistently demonstrate the shittiest qualities of a man-child fanboy.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
But it's the same on PC? Elden Ring, BMW, Cyberpunk, even games like TW3, Skyrim, and Fallout remain among the best sellers for years. They don't just disappear into irrelevance. They remain among the top 20, 30, or even top 10 for a long time. You just won't see them among the most played games at any given time past their release window and the same goes for console single player games.

Good points
 
You're the one acting like a real dick about Sony games being ported to PC. You're the one with the insufferable elitist attitude, criticizing PC gamers for playing GAAS and when you're shown PS gamers are no better in that regard, you resort to nonsensical defense.

No I’m not. I’m indifferent to Sony’s PC releases, but find it curious how outraged they get over a few bugs at launch. They should be buying this and FF7R more than they are, period. But enjoy your goat simulator instead, lmfao

You’re misinterpreting and cherry picking quotes without realizing any of the context. I criticized someone else’s argument that PC gamers had “better taste” (oh gee, that elitism pops up again) by showcasing that the top games are all GaaS, I never said console was any different
 
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Klosshufvud

Member
It's a little funny how Metaphor, an unknown IP with old school turn based gameplay and PS2-like graphics peaked at 85k. Meanwhile this 200m AAA Marvel superhero game can barely reach a quarter of it on PC.

I think atleast on PC, Sony games have been struck by a Marvel-like fatigue. They're just not that interesting or fresh anymore. SM2, Ragnarok and Forbidden West all sort of just continued on a path of least risk and it seems PC gamers did not particularly care about those sequels.
 
It's a little funny how Metaphor, an unknown IP with old school turn based gameplay and PS2-like graphics peaked at 85k. Meanwhile this 200m AAA Marvel superhero game can barely reach a quarter of it on PC.

I think atleast on PC, Sony games have been struck by a Marvel-like fatigue. They're just not that interesting or fresh anymore. SM2, Ragnarok and Forbidden West all sort of just continued on a path of least risk and it seems PC gamers did not particularly care about those sequels.

FF7R is a better JRPG than metaphor and only received half its CCUs
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No I’m not. I’m indifferent to Sony’s PC releases,
Then why are you in every Sony release thread arguing for pages on end and criticizing PC gamers for not buying them enough? Those games are late and the port often mediocre. The bulk has been sold to PS users, and PC players have different tastes. What exactly do you want?
but find it curious how outraged they get over a few bugs at launch.
Spider-Man 2 crashes and is unplayable for many. Look at GOT, GOW, Rift Apart, or Returnal. Fairly positive reviews because they were largely devoid of big problems. On the contrary, PC gamers tolerate a lot of bullshit except when it gets out of hand. Dead Space has like 90% positive reviews despite it being known for being full of stutters.
They should be buying this and FF7R more than they are, period. But enjoy your goat simulator instead, lmfao
But why should they be buying FF VII Rebirth? Because you say so? The game is selling decently. It's not setting the world on fire, but it's been among the top 20 best sellers for a few weeks. It's a late okay-ish port that didn't do all that hot on PlayStation either.
You’re misinterpreting and cherry picking quotes without realizing any of the context. I criticized someone else’s argument that PC gamers had “better taste” (oh gee, that elitism pops up again) by showcasing that the top games are all GaaS, I never said console was any different
You also called us entitled and the worst fanbase in gaming. Was that also cherry-picked and taken out of context? For the record, I'm no "PC gamer", I just game on whatever platform has the best version of games I want to play. Currently, I'm playing Astro Bot and think it should be outselling every PS game of the past 5 years, yet you won't see me crying about what PlayStation gamers are or aren't playing. You clearly have a problem with PC gamers and act like they don't deserve PlayStation titles. You expect Sony games to have high numbers despite the ports being very late with little effort put into them. If Sony wants big numbers, they need to treat PC gamers like PlayStation customers, but we know they won't. They treat them like an afterthought. Well, their games will also be an afterthought to the PC audience. Simple as that.
 
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Topher

Identifies as young
It's a little funny how Metaphor, an unknown IP with old school turn based gameplay and PS2-like graphics peaked at 85k. Meanwhile this 200m AAA Marvel superhero game can barely reach a quarter of it on PC.

I think atleast on PC, Sony games have been struck by a Marvel-like fatigue. They're just not that interesting or fresh anymore. SM2, Ragnarok and Forbidden West all sort of just continued on a path of least risk and it seems PC gamers did not particularly care about those sequels.

Something is definitely holding these games back on PC. They still do very well on console, but that success simply isn't translating over to PC. I can't imagine Sony is happy with that.

But yes, Metaphor is fantastic.
 

Klosshufvud

Member
According to what? When did I say TGA was be all end all…?

Metaphors a great game, too, not arguing that
You said FF7R was better than Metaphor. As if some objective fact of the world. Millions, including the TGA jury enjoyed Metaphor more. Stop run around as if everyone should abide by your opinions. Part of life is accepting that others don't particularly care about one's personal preferences.
And besides, popularity has rarely correlated to quality anyways.
 
Then why are you in every Sony release thread arguing for pages on end and criticizing PC gamers for not buying them enough?

If I wanted Sony to stop porting…wouldn’t I want them to bomb instead? I’d rather see them succeed though.

You also called us entitled and the worst fanbase in gaming.

Yeah, that’s my opinion, in aggregate

You clearly have a problem with PC gamers and act like they don't deserve PlayStation titles.

Nah, their complaints about every little thing and the lack of sales makes me wonder why bother, though.

If Sony wants big numbers, they need to treat PC gamers like PlayStation customers, but we know they won'

Plenty of their games are perfectly fine, and given Nixxes’ pedigree im sure SM2 will as well if not already with the hotfix in place

You said FF7R was better than Metaphor. As if some objective fact of the world. Millions, including the TGA jury enjoyed Metaphor more. Stop run around as if everyone should abide by your opinions. Part of life is accepting that others don't particularly care about one's personal preferences.
And besides, popularity has rarely correlated to quality anyways.

Nah, just my opinion that FF7R should at least be doing comparable to metaphor, they’re both great games in the same genre
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Something is definitely holding these games back on PC. They still do very well on console, but that success simply isn't translating over to PC. I can't imagine Sony is happy with that.

But yes, Metaphor is fantastic.
What's holding them back is that those are late or very late ports in genres that don't have that much appeal on PC. Third-person story-driven action games are the biggest on PlayStation. That'd be like taking CPRGs or strategy games, porting them to console a year later and wonder why they aren't selling as much as on PC.

If PlayStation had an RPG (not a JRPG) worth something, it would destroy all their other games on PC. They have two, but they won't port them.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Nah, their complaints about every little thing and the lack of sales makes me wonder why bother, though.
Lack of sales according to what? The PlayStation version? Of course, they won't sell nearly as much. Lack of sales compared to Sony's expectations? I have no idea whether or not their sales target are being met. They spend millions in market research and have access to internal data we're not privy too. Only they know whether or not the sales are lacking.
Plenty of their games are perfectly fine, and given Nixxes’ pedigree im sure SM2 will as well if not already with the hotfix in place
The hotfix was already released, but you can't just release a broken product. It didn't get bad reviews due to entitlement. It got bad reviews because it's been unplayable due to crashes and freezes, and is full of bugs.
Nah, just my opinion that FF7R should at least be doing comparable to metaphor, they’re both great games in the same genre
I'm sure it would have done comparable numbers if it had come out Day 1. Persona 5 Royal peaked at 35K, slightly below FF7 Rebirth.
Hmmm…?

BG3 sold excellent on ps5 and wasn’t day and date, it launched on pc first
It came out 1 month later, not 1 year.
 
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Thebonehead

Gold Member
If I wanted Sony to stop porting…wouldn’t I want them to bomb instead? I’d rather see them succeed though.

Yeah, that’s my opinion, in aggregate

Plenty of their games are perfectly fine, and given Nixxes’ pedigree im sure SM2 will as well if not already with the hotfix in place

Nah, just my opinion that FF7R should at least be doing comparable to metaphor, they’re both great games in the same genre

Also your opinion

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Bad port with zero marketing. Plus it seems that as time goes by, less and less people speak highly of this game.

Not surprising.
The franchise would make more sense as games tied in with the films. Write and storyboard a great spider man film that's way too long for the big screen and use the excess for the video game. This way seeing the movie and playing the game would provide the full movie experience. The video game would allow us to find out more about things than the movie has the time to show.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
The latest batch of games from Sony’s first party; Forbidden West, Ragnorök, Spider-Man 2 and TLoU 2 are simply too similar to what came before. Sales are down for all of those games compared to their predecessors.

Woke is also cooked, and Spider-Man 2 is definitely woke. Saying that single-player games don’t do well on Steam is copium, and an IP as large as Spider-Man failing like this is telling.

If you like these games, you’re probably one of the people buying a PlayStation to play them. I genuinely don’t believe there’s a mass market of 10m+ people waiting to be tapped in to on other platforms.
 
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PeteBull

Member
Oh wow, barely over 24k ccu peak, even that predicted 30k wasnt reached ;D
Today last day it has chance for higher peak, but chances are very slim.
 

MMaRsu

Member
No use arguing with you at all, you turn into childish rage calling others names and have zero self awareness that your argument is absolute nonsense just to further your elitist holier than thou PC perspective.

Sorry, the game quality isn’t overrated, you guys just don’t buy very many SP titles. Fact. The opposite isn’t true; the big pc games are also wildly popular on consoles. PC gamers just have more fickle and limited pallets, and also rage bomb every little thing that isn’t absolutely perfect on your platform
Man you really are a baby Arent you.

Imagine actually trying to discuss a topic, nah lets just put salt on every comment and cherry pick what Im going to respond to.

Im so smart!
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Can you show me this post? I gotta read this

I legit don't think he can. I saw a post that said. Popular haircut from the time for Italians as a "lesbian hair cut" and there's two lines where stronger willed nazi guy picks on weaker willed, acting tough nazi guy by saying "you let weak men like that act tough" I can't remember the exact lines to be honest because it didn't even cross my mind until I saw it being used on here as woke or something.
 
still, there is a reason Sega and other publishers that were very anti-pc in the past are all jumping on the PC bandwagon.
PC is the place where more and more publishers (including the ones that make single player games) make the most money these days.
Sure, if you don't have your own successful store like Sega, Capcom, Rocksteady and many others successful publishers (The Witcher 3 publisher). But if you have your own successful store (raking in billions of revenue) locked on your locked hardware, why would you want ton incentivize your customers to buy your games elsewhere for less money and encouraging them to buy GPUs, investing in another hardware, instead of your own hardware?

How stupid does it sound like ? That's corporate suicide pushed by short term greed for bonuses based on short term revenue and PR (MAU) bullshit numbers.
 
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DenchDeckard

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Anyone who trashes the entirety of SM2 as “slop trash” due to some insignificant pandering, despite liking the first game and hand waiving similar offenses in their personal GOTY, has lost the plot and/or is warring, plain and simple.

I’ve been consistent in my messaging that a good game is a good game even if it’s been sullied a tad with a bit of political crap that could have been removed to make the game less of an eye roll at times

Do me a favour, dude. Go through my post history and search spider man 2. I have said it has woke trash in it but there are posts with my genuine thoughts on the game and they are closer to your opinions than what fake points you are trying to say I've made.

I may have said the greater install base of pc are going to ignore woke trash. Thats a statement in general.

I bet money that if spider man 2 launched today on playstation, with everything we know, it would have probably done a quarter of the sales it did when the marketing machine and paid shill "reviewers" were cuddling their sony funded review press packs, and nda letters saying if you talk badly about the game you will be black listed.
 
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