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Star Wars Episode VIII Production Thread (Principal Photography Complete)
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phazedplasma
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Honestly thought this was the best fight of all the prequels as well.
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
―Sheev Palpatine
As I said earlier, some people have survived being bisected before in our world. Now imagine that the lightsaber cauterizes the wound so no blood loss, the fact that the dark side kept his will to live alive, and that he used parts with he force to semi-replace what had been lost by the time he was dropped onto that junkyard planet. This is also not taking into account whether or not Zabrakian biology is 100% the same as ours.
I fell in love with that Tatooine Jinn-Maul fight, one of my favorite's from the prequels.
It's filmed terribly, though. Easily the most badly shot fight in the series. Even in that .gif, half the shots are a zoomed in jumble of flying robes and sabers; we can't tell what the heck is going on.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Fuckin Paul Greengrass
prag16
Banned
A lot of people I know who aren't massive Star Wars fans don't like Kylo Ren. I can reason with them until I'm blue in the face, but they keep coming back to, "He's a lame poser, and he's goofy looking, and he gets owned by Rey, durrrr, therefore he sux and is lame."
They don't care about any of the rationale (well, aside from the "he's goofy looking" charge; I generally don't dignify that one with a response).
Meanwhile he's secretly the GOAT Star Wars villain in many ways.
Anton Sugar
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Seriously. The wide shots, especially the tracking one, look good-to-great. Too bad there are so few of them.
brandonh83
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Yeah, they sound like... well, people. I can see people saying this, because they say stupid shit all the time. Besides, Kylo was a fucking badass in the fight at the end so that doesn't even make any damn sense.
WadiumArcadium
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Looks like the Making Of book for TFA might have been cancelled. I was looking forward to it too.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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The conclusion they draw lends a bit more credence to the idea a lot of TFA deleted scenes were intentionally held back for story reasons. Wonder if the artbook and the deleted scenes we already got will be the only details we'll get until after the trilogy. And if there is a good bit of dropped/shelved/moved story material they don't want us seeing yet, I wonder if there's an even crazier collection of TFA artwork we won't see until years from now.
Kaneda Shotaro
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I was surprised it was coming out this year actually. The amount of brainstorming and ideas that were rejected or saved for later films will spoil too much. I'm thinking they're make it after 8 or even 9.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It was never actually scheduled, was it? Just a vague "October" listing. So I dont' think it being removed from the slate is proof of cancellation.
Honestly, nothing against Mark Cotta Vaz, but I kinda hope if they're taking it off the schedule and pushing it back indefinitely, that they get Rinzler back on the case.
Honestly, nothing against Mark Cotta Vaz, but I kinda hope if they're taking it off the schedule and pushing it back indefinitely, that they get Rinzler back on the case.
WadiumArcadium
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The OT books definitely benefited from being written a while after each film, so I guess it might be a blessing in disguise.
Stallion Dan
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I don't think anyone survives getting cut in half without immediate medical help, machines keeping them alive and and months of repeated surgeries. Call me crazy, but I don't think anyone was around to give Maul medical attention. At all.
prag16
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These people aren't Sith Lords.
He's been posting quite a few shots from the set. Daisy, Carrie and Mark have all posted stuff as well.
I agree.
Pushing the book back to after the entire trilogy is released in theaters and getting Rinzler back would lead to a better product.
BrokenFiction
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WhiteRabbitEXE
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Already posted and spawned most of the last three pages or so of discussion.
Mr. Pointy
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Dammit why you gotta move so fast.
crackhead_bob
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This may be going far ahead, but any chance that Episode IX will be pushed back into 2020?
Also, given that Disney now owns the license, is there the chance that Episode IX may conclude open ended to lead into the trilogy that follows?
Also, given that Disney now owns the license, is there the chance that Episode IX may conclude open ended to lead into the trilogy that follows?
Isn't that the point though? I'm loathe to defend the cinematography of the prequels but in that fight Maul is supposed to be a mysterious stranger who just appeared out of nowhere and attacked, it should be messy. He's got this huge robe on that's flapping everywhere while Qui-Gon is trying to work out what the fuck is going on.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Unless there's a literal disaster, no, no chance. It will hit 2019. They already started development ages ago, they still have years open for preproduction, and Trevorrow is competent enough when it comes to getting a big movie out, so there's literally no reason to expect them to have difficulty meeting 2019. Plus, Christmas is THE slot for these movies anyway, so Disney would never let it slip to another season, and Avatar already owns Christmas 2020, so it wouldn't be pushed there either.
And nah, it'll be a complete story come the end of IX. In the grand scheme there may be some possible dangling lines here or there, but the core story and character arcs of the trilogy will be completed.
You're not wrong. It's definitely meant to be disorienting to the viewer. Maul comes out of no where and no one really has any idea what the fuck is going on at all. It's filmed in a way that reflects that. Now, it doesn't help that Maul (or half the movie) is poorly handled in general, but at least in idea and execution for that particular scene it does what it's supposed to accomplish.
I wouldn't call it an amazing fight either way though.
This is exactly my frame of mind on the matter. The deleted scenes for one are WAY too short when apparently they had 4 hours of footage to edit.
They're holding back for story reasons, I think. Way too little content post release (in theaters) for the amount of work that went into making the film. Lot's of stuff will show up in the next two sequels, I'm sure.
Nah, that's not a good justification to film something so pooly. You can convey a powerful mysterious figure attacking aggressively out of nowhere without zooming the camera in so far all you can see is flapping robes. They're in the middle of the desert. Qui-gon can see just fine.
There are a handful of good shots in there, such as the wide shot of Maul driving Qui-gon straight back, and they are much more effective at conveying Maul's threat than flapping robes. It's just badly shot.
I hadn't read there was 4 hours of footage, closer to 3. IIRC they didn't want to make an epic film from the get go, and scaled the story down accordingly. Do you have a link handy?
Agree about the reason for the scene selection. In particular, the scenes of Maz using the Force, and giving the saber to Leia - possibly explaining how she got it - sound like story beats saved for later.
My first thought looking at that gif was "Did Chris Nolan film this?"
I'll see if I can dig it up. There was a story about Daniel, the fan that ended up passing away due to an illness, who had been shown 4 hours of footage during a special visit from Disney (awesome move by the way).
Daisy, training for VIII:
http://www.popsci.com/watch-daisy-ridley-swing-practice-lightsaber?src=SOC&dom=tw
I wonder if there is ever a chance of getting an actor who is just crap at skilful things like that, what would you do. Is physical stuff screen tested?
Looks like she is doing a fun move not necessarily something for the film. Trainer looks pleased.
Here it is:
"The mega-fan, who is terminally ill, received a phone call from director JJ Abrams sometime Wednesday who said he wanted to give Fleetwood a private screening of the uncut version. On Thursday, Fleetwood watched the four-hour unedited film, which isn’t being released until Dec. 18."
RIP. Glad he got his wish.
Thanks for finding it. That's just really odd since both Kasdan and Abrams said they cut 20 minutes from the initial edit of the film, from around that time.
And yeah, was good of them to do the screening. Tragic outcome, but a great thing to do.
No problem. I'd imagine that he was shown EVERYTHING that was shot, and not necessarily things that made it into an initial cut. That's my guess.
I'm not quite sure how that process works though.
If they were REALLY amazing, they told him their plans for Rey and the rest of the trilogy. Imagine passing on with that special information. Would be pretty awesome, given the shitty circumstances.
ThePrequelsSuck
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Episode 7 was really lame to me, this will probably be the same.
Your insightful and incredibly constructive input is greatly appreciated
DiipuSurotu
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I'd say it's possible. They've changed their minds several times about a lot of things so far (even for simple things like "Star Wars Anthologies" -> "A Star Wars Story").
WadiumArcadium
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You should devote your username to that thought.
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Look at that prequel shit! Just so dancey!
I actually do not think that it looks like what you are trying to infer at all.
It almost looks like he is lifting something very heavy with one arm and using its momentum thus finishing with two hands.
It still has a perceived weight and heft to it, which was missing in the PT.
brandonh83
Banned
So you don't like Star Wars. Okay, not everything is for everyone.
Anton Sugar
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I could be wrong, but I think it was once said that those Jawa looking guys helped him out when he was dumped onto that junk planet.
brandonh83
Banned
I still think it looks "flashy" but there isn't anything wrong with that. I honestly don't understand why a lightsaber would be heavy; how much does a hilt weigh? How much does the actual concentrated blade weigh? I think the more deliberate motions you see in the OT and now TFA is that they're trying to be more careful with wider swings whereas the Jedi in the PT are far more skilled; Luke was learning, Vader was... Vader, Rey was coming into grips with it and by the end of that duel she was handling the thing pretty close, weight-wise, to how they did in the prequels. Finn's motions certainly didn't make it look like it had a lot of weight.
Just how I see it and I don't think it's a big deal either way. It makes sense to me that they'd be virtually weightless but I don't have a problem with a heavy momentum either.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Liquidsnake
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Posts like this are hilarious to me.