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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
It's too close to the full reveal to give you a legit answer.
If you haven't played any Nintendo...the Switch is a fine console regardless of the entry date however, in terms of getting the most out of your purchase, we need to see more about the price and software options of what Switch 2 will have.
New does not always mean better despite what people hear will say to you.
Example, Buying a PS4 Today is a perfectly viable option if you only value certain games and can get one for a reasonable price. Like a PS4 with 4 games for $200 or a PS5 with no games for $399?
If you haven't played any Nintendo...the Switch is a fine console regardless of the entry date however, in terms of getting the most out of your purchase, we need to see more about the price and software options of what Switch 2 will have.
New does not always mean better despite what people hear will say to you.
Example, Buying a PS4 Today is a perfectly viable option if you only value certain games and can get one for a reasonable price. Like a PS4 with 4 games for $200 or a PS5 with no games for $399?
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EruditeHobo
Member
I could be wrong, but I just don't agree -- the value of serving a massive Switch 1 audience couldn't be more self-evident. So again, in April we will see what the first year will look like.
And again, secondary to that is the fact that if the caliber of the snippet of the MK game we saw accurately demonstrates the level of what we'll see form early "Switch 2 exclusive" titles... that's even more of a reason for many people (myself included) to not go in early on a Switch 2.
Of course, whether that means one who is not in Switch ecosystem at all should go in on Switch 1 as a result is obviously a more complicated question.
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Minsc
Gold Member
Longevity Burn-In Test: Updates And Results From 100 TVs
Our accelerated longevity test has been running for almost two years now, and from full-on panel failures to image retention and LCD degradation, we've already encountered some interesting results.www.rtings.com
Oled was never fixed
The screens can even crack and explode
Accelerated longevity tests don't really mean much for normal usage. Show me actual OLED Switch owners with burn in, because there won't be any. Or the percentage is like .00001% if you can find any. Burn in takes a long time to occur. Longer than the lifespan of the device, and you can simply replace the screen in 10 years if it's an issue and you still need to use it, but I doubt it'd be an issue in the first place.
Everything is moving to OLED, and there's lots of good reasons. Even the next generation (2026?) Macbook Pros are expected to drop the MiniLED for OLED thankfully, I can't imagine spending that much on a device for an inferior display.
BTW the burn in tests on the OLED Switch indicate around 3600 hours of a static image. You'd need vastly longer for a non-static one, and 4000 hours is 1,000 charge cycles on the device, which pretty much means your battery is aging towards EOL as well. But realistically at 3600 hours of a static image, I doubt anyone would experience burn in until around 20,000 hours of varied images.
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EruditeHobo
Member
Exactly this.
EruditeHobo
Member
Of course Switch 2 will play 3rd party games Switch cannot... think on these terms of "cross gen", people are talking about the Nintendo first party stuff. I certainly am/was.
It would be incredibly weird to talk about Doom or Call of Duty as "Switch 2 exclusives".
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kevboard
Member
1 word: Wii...
even that MK9 snipped we saw would not be possible on Switch 1 at 60fps. the scale is way bigger than MK8, and I bet the amount of scale we saw was just a little tease. massive scale will probably be the "gimmick" in this iteration.
add to that the massively increased racer count and you got a game that could maybe be ported to Switch 1, but not at any acceptable quality.
especially if you remember that it has to support splitscreen as well.
I'd say even if every game was cross gen I'd not buy a Switch 1 now. the hardware jump is just too big for that.
and that hardware jump will also be the reason there won't be a cross gen period. it's just not technically possible to do for most games.
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lughnasadh123
Member
I'm speaking strictly from a Nintendo perspective and they do have a incentive with that massive Switch 1 install base. The PS5/Xbox series isn't an anomaly but the blueprint for all going forward. Nintendo doesn't need next gen launch exclusives to sell the new hardware and they'll get the additional software sales on top of that. Anything that can be cross gen will be cross gen.
EruditeHobo
Member
I might not either... but if the "Switch 2 exclusives" did not look like significant improvements over a number of Switch games that I've missed by not having a Switch, I can see the argument.
As always, will depend on the games themselves.
But yeah, on its face if Switch 2 is only say 400-450 bucks and Switch OLED is still... what is it 350? Or even 300 maybe. Sure. In that situation I too would get Switch 2.
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wipeout364
Member
The only way it would make sense is if they announce the price and it is substantially more than the cost of a switch. We never received a reasonable discount on the original hardware as it aged. I expect they will try to target not much above the OLED switch so the answer would likely be no, but if they totally blow the doors off the place and charge 600 of 700 then there may be an argument for the OG switch.
kevboard
Member
the PS5 and Series consoles were an anomaly because it was the smallest hardware jump from one gen to the next since the jump from Gen1 to Gen2 in the 70s.
this tiny hardware leap, and the fact that 99% of games either don't use or don't need the only real new hardware feature they offer meant porting to last gen was extremely easy and possible at large scale for the first time.
back when Activision made a THPS4 version for PS1, they had to completely redevelop the game specifically for PS1 for example. it was barely even the same game.
and even more recently, when Microsoft wanted to have a 360 version of Forza Horizon 2, a completely different team made it on an older engine... basically a different game that tried to mimic the Xbox One titles as good as it could.
Xbox One launch window games like Titanfall on 360 are considered "impossible ports"/"miracle ports" because it took Bluepoint (one of the best porting studios ever) a shitload of work to make it run.
meanwhile the Gen8 to Gen9 transition was the first one where this wasn't necessary. the first one where a game could just be scaled down normally, like setting a PC version to 720p low settings, instead of making an entirely different version possibly on a completely different engine even.
even porting Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart to PS4 would be less work than the ports of games I mentioned above, and that's one of the few games that went all in on the PS5's features
Nintendo absolutely needs next gen exclusives. they are in the market of collecting license fees, that means they need to do everything in their power to make sure the Switch 2 is a huge hit right from the start. and there's no better way to ensure that than tons of high quality Nintendo games that are only available on the new one.
what Nintendo doesn't need is sell 10+ million copies for each game they make.
their development budgets aren't even half as big as those of other AAA Devs. their most expensive projects maybe cost 100 million dollars at most, which isn't comparable to the 300+ million budgets of Sony, Ubisoft or Microsoft games.
there won't be cross gen versions for any big Nintendo games... it just doesn't make sense for them on any metric.
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EruditeHobo
Member
It's happened for multiple generations in a row now. Them not doing it would be a big change.
Nothing to do but wait and see I guess. I'd be surprised if they went the direction you're saying... but maybe I'm just clueless.
lughnasadh123
Member
I think having a sequel to one of if not eventually THE best selling console ever is going to ensure that this thing sells incredibly well. Price is the only thing that might hold it back from reaching the heights of the first one.
That leaves the issue of making money. Do you really think there's any reality that exists where Nintendo isn't trying to push MORE sales out of any software they have? It just isn't going to happen at first. Eventually...sure, but it'll be a few years off.
it happened twice. wasn't in a row. both times coming off failed platforms. both times zelda. Both times the new platform was barely faster.
that being said, the mouse thing ups the odds MP4 is cross gen.
EruditeHobo
Member
Mario 3D World was on multiple systems, Mario Kart 8 was on multiple systems. That's what I'm referring to, and no matter what you want to call that it's a practice that has applied to every Nintendo console since Gamecube. So that is what I mean when I say that this has happened for multiple generations in a row.
And considering MP4's development, think there's probably a 0% chance it's "Switch 2 exclusive".
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
However if you haven’t had Switch 1 and you could get OLED for $300 or less, it may not be a bad deal.
ResilientBanana
Member
Unless you can get OLED for $100 the best thing for longevity is switch 2
Reizo Ryuu
Member
absolutely zero reason for anyone to pick up a switch now; even if cost is an issue just save up a little bit more for the switch 2 instead.
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Steam Deck can run Switch emulators if that interests you at all
AngelMuffin
Member
It hasn't applied to every Nintendo console since Gamecube.
Switch got a lot of Wii U ports because the Wii U was a hard flop. Those games hadn't been played by many. Were good games. And Switch was a handheld Wii U.
Not going to happen this generation. The Switch games sold well. They can be played in Switch 2 with b/c. I don't think Nintendo will waste time and money updating them for free nor sell new shinier versions of them. It's not Nintendo as a rule of thumb.
I can think of one other example on the Wii where they rereleased previous gen games and that was the Metroid Trilogy Pack. But again there were 2 hooks there. First was the GC sold poorly and the Wii sold very well. And two, MP1&2 were updated to let you use motion control like MP3.
Nintendo already said MP4 is on Switch. So it can't be a Switch 2 exclusive. The question is do they upgrade it for Switch 2 and do a cross-gen release. If I had to bet I would bet no. But this mouse control feature reveal gives them a hook to differentiate the Switch 2 version. So the odds are higher to me than they were a month ago.
Last, the cross gen that was being referred to was new games being able to be played on the old platform. That's not going to happen.
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cinnamonandgravy
Member
10000% switch2
EruditeHobo
Member
Gamecube shared a game with Wii.
WiiU shared multiple games with Switch.
Those are all consoles Nintendo has released since Gamecube, right? They have all had games shared with other systems, either up or down. Haven't they? So... your statement is very clearly wrong.
The rest of the reasons you've given for WHY it happened, I've never disagreed or dismissed them! But unfortunately they are not relevant to my point.
I was talking about "cross-gen" in a more general way, and think Switch might just be unique enough to have their own reasons to have some version of this apply. So again... agree to disagree. I could be wrong, and so could you from where we currently stand. We'll have to wait and see.
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Opposite. IT's overwhelming evidence against your point.
Also the poster you replied to stated something along the lines of "big new games aren't coming to Switch."
The fact Nintendo ported games from a failed platform (Wii U) to the new one (Switch) that was essentially the same generation but in handheld form is not the same thing either btw.
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EruditeHobo
Member
T
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I can re-state my point really simply, but I'm not speaking for or sharing points with anyone else...
I think it's entirely possible it will be a little while before we see a "Switch 2 exclusive", or certainly multiple "big releases" that don't also play or have versions on Nintendo Switch. Certainly not as an overall, generation-long Switch 2 strategy... but over 9-18 months? Feels possible. That's really the only thing I'm saying here.
Some people pushed back by saying Nintendo doesn't do "cross-gen", and others like you listed reasons why they have done "cross-gen" in the past. But unfortunately these reasons aren't at all relevant to what I'm saying... the whole point quite obviously presumes that there's a decent reason to do it now. I never said it would be the same reason that applied to WiiU.
So for the last time, we'll see how wrong either of us are in April. It's a lot of guesswork and intuition right now, and I could be wrong!
I think it's entirely possible it will be a little while before we see a "Switch 2 exclusive", or certainly multiple "big releases" that don't also play or have versions on Nintendo Switch. Certainly not as an overall, generation-long Switch 2 strategy... but over 9-18 months? Feels possible. That's really the only thing I'm saying here.
Some people pushed back by saying Nintendo doesn't do "cross-gen", and others like you listed reasons why they have done "cross-gen" in the past. But unfortunately these reasons aren't at all relevant to what I'm saying... the whole point quite obviously presumes that there's a decent reason to do it now. I never said it would be the same reason that applied to WiiU.
So for the last time, we'll see how wrong either of us are in April. It's a lot of guesswork and intuition right now, and I could be wrong!
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EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
I won’t downplay graphics and screens at the end of the day the original switch is fine hell it’s a shocked to all that I played breath of the wild on the Wii U.
Switch 2 exclusives will happen day 1. Every new unannounced 1st party game for Switch 2 will be Switch 2 exclusive.
It's very relevant to this point that Nintendo has never done a cross gen game or port to sell into the install base of the old platform. That it's always been to sell into the new platform. It's relevant because it shows the way they think.
I don't recall any new Nintendo 1st party game being announced after the new console is revealed that also played on the old console or handheld.
You can ignore how they operate because it isn't impossible for them to announced new games that run on both. And I agree it's not impossible. But it's just not probable based on the way they've operated and how they've thought about their business in the past.
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EruditeHobo
Member
It's completely irrelevant to MY point. But I admit it might be relevant to a point I'm not making.
I don't need to ignore something that's not relevant...
It's not relevant because Nintendo have never been in this position before -- the new console is effectively a more powerful Switch and not some pivot in terms of user functionality, the Switch ecosystem is at an astounding size and the new console is going full backwards compatibility which means by definition they are leaning into ongoing ecosystem support in a way they never have before. So "how they operate" doesn't apply in the same way considering this current state of their position is nowhere near the same as it was for previous generation transitions. Obviously.
We'll have to see what happens I guess. I just simply disagree with you, from where we are now.
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You said new 1st party won't be S2 exclusive for 12-18 months. The fact they've never done that before is more than relevant.
Nintendo has been in this position before. DS to the 3DS. GB to GBA.
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
A userbase of over a 100 million people says otherwise.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Unless there’s a strong desire to play on a TV I’d say get a Switch Lite.
I have an Oled.
Lite can regularly be had for £150 new in the UK through eBay codes from reputable retailers like The Game Collection. The limited edition Hyrule Lite is always sub £199, imports from Japan are available for around £155 again with the eBay codes.
Nintendo will repair drift free of charge and out of warranty in the UK and EU (not sure if this is the same for the US).
I love my Oled, but if I was in your shoes it would be the Lite all day.
I have an Oled.
Lite can regularly be had for £150 new in the UK through eBay codes from reputable retailers like The Game Collection. The limited edition Hyrule Lite is always sub £199, imports from Japan are available for around £155 again with the eBay codes.
Nintendo will repair drift free of charge and out of warranty in the UK and EU (not sure if this is the same for the US).
I love my Oled, but if I was in your shoes it would be the Lite all day.
Parazels
Member
Which one do you normally use in a portable mode?
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SenkiDala
Member
It costs half the price if you buy one used in good conditions ?
Banjo64
cumsessed
I don’t have a Lite sorry, only an Oled. I use it 100% of the time portable.
However I did have a launch day Switch and the LCD panel was fine (although not as good as the Oled).
The Lite also has the added fact that it is more portable. If you see the units side by side there is a clear difference that renders/YouTube comparisons/dimensions don’t really do justice to. To me that is really appealing, especially as I have a Steam Deck now which is a hefty system that I wouldn’t want to take on holiday etc.
EruditeHobo
Member
THAT would be relevant. Unfortunately it's not true is it? Both the Zeldas you mentioned were released within days on multiple platforms, weren't they? Those were new releases on 2 platforms within days. Right?
Don't bother listing the reasons why again... they remain irrelevant to whether or not your statement is objectively false.
Again irrelevant, as those are handhelds, and were obviously not the sole hardware focus of the entire company. So... Nintendo HASN'T been in this position before. These important distinguishing elements you keep overlooking or ignoring make things markedly different.
Those Zeldas were already announced and made for the old platform and were held back to also be on the new one. Not the reverse.
So now both you and I can't recall a new Nintendo game announced for the new platform that also was put on the old platform.
Yet Nintendo has had quite a few successful platforms and games. Switch didn't even have b/c, started from a zero install base and it was very successful. Maybe it's not that important to make the new games for the old platform too?
Whether the Nintendo platform is a handheld or console or handheld that also plugs into the tv is irrelevant.
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GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I'd wait a couple more months to make that decision. To get some more info on what the advantages and price differential is for Switch 2 relative to a Switch 1 OLED.
existensmaximum
Member
How do you know old games will run better (or differently at all) on the Switch 2?
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
You buy both.
Then you buy a switch 2 oled when that comes out with the zelda game in 2 years (hopium)!
Then you buy a switch 2 oled when that comes out with the zelda game in 2 years (hopium)!
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Wait. Switch 2 is rumored to have an LCD screen instead of OLED? Why?
