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Switch 1's install base is a potential problem for Switch 2

jufonuk

not tag worthy
I feel your co concern, Nintendo just have to reveal the hook for switch 2. Maybe going forward the games will be cross gen until switch 2 finds its feet

Believe Jason Sudeikis GIF by Apple TV
 
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NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
I think so, as well.
I think Switch 2 is gonna launch for significantly more than most people wishfully think. It will be a machine for early adopters and Nintendo fans for a while. I can’t imagine the next Pokemon game will leave behind the Switch 1 audience.
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
Umm games are backward compatible. Publishers won't be leaving anyone out if they decide to make a switch game. 😵‍💫

And gamers will be bringing their games with them.
 
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Rockondevil

Member
I could see it being a problem if 3rd party was popular on the switch. In reality it’s mostly first party and Nintendo will make that transition themselves.
Third party might hopefully be better on switch 2 for those that want it.
 

Hudo

Gold Member
How many publishers are going to forgo that 150M install base to sell a Switch 2 exclusive? The install base ratio is going to be very lopsided in the first few years.

Switch 2 has a bit of an uphill battle imo.
That is one of the oldest problems of console gaming. You enable to move consumers' digital libraries smoothly over to the new platform via BC, you balance first-party stuff that is exclusive to the new platform with cross-gen until there is no significant demand for the old SKUs anymore and go from there. And that's also what Furukawa said this week as well.

I'd argue that the big success of the Switch 1 is actually a boon for Nintendo to get third-party devs on board. If you remember, Switch 1 was looked upon with much more skepticism by third-parties (Even Game Freak were skeptical!). And the reason for that was the failure of the Wii U and the new concept of a hybrid console.
 
The user install base will follow the games, the moment Nintendo stops switch 1 software delivery is the moment most will make their choice and jump to Switch 2. It's simple as that. SW2 has backwards compatibility, which helps making that decision easier.
 
Even some indie games struggle to run well on the Switch. I think developers will abandon it as soon as they can get away with it.
 

lestar

Member
I see a bigger problem with 1st parties than 3rd's as AA and AAA games releases were weak on Switch 1, so devs could just forget Switch 1 as that console couldn't run their games in first place anyways, but for 1st party console sellers games like Pokemon and Mario there is a high posibility that the next iterations will be cross gen and we can see that from the next mario kart footage fron the SW2 announcement presentation
 

Mattyp

Not the YouTuber
Nah. They’re looking at all those ps4X1 titles they can now easily port over for a quick buck, then hoping the install base reaches the same heights while napping 10 million sales on a decade old port.
 

Holammer

Member
I think they will do fine. A lot of games would likely be cross-gen with S2 enhancements. Games are scalable, simply up the framerate and resolution and it already looks like a next-gen game before you even increase draw distances, high res textures and other features.
 

Robb

Gold Member
Most games that’ll get ported or new installments can’t run on the Switch, so I don’t see the issue.

Elden Ring won’t get a Switch version, for example. If you want to play that on a Nintendo console you’ll have to get a Switch 2. etc. etc.

The main issue, for me, is that Nintendo themselves might want to do a lot of cross gen stuff. I hope they’re moderate with that stuff. I want first party games made specifically for Switch 2.
 
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Kerotan

Member
It will be the first time Nintendo have to deal with the cross gen issue and it'll suck for players who don't want the switch holding their games back but that's the market reality today. Profits will be very good for Nintendo if they don't dump the switch user base.
 

OuterLimits

Member
Nintendo historically moves rather quickly to their new systems. 3DS still got a couple smaller budget 1st party titles after Switch launch but not many.(Fire Emblem Echoes was awesome).

Switch will still get Metroid and other already announced games, but most software will be Switch 2 after this year.
 

GoldenEye98

posts news as their odd job
Umm games are backward compatible. Publishers won't be leaving anyone out if they decide to make a switch game. 😵‍💫

And gamers will be bringing their games with them.

If anything BC will amplify the issue I'm talking about because publishers will just release a Switch 1 game and that version is probably what you'll be playing on Switch 2....
 
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Thats where exclusive games come in and convince people to make the switch. For me that will be the next zelda game, which is still a few years away I think. The first year or two will probably be slower than people think. I think year 3 onwards is when it will properly take off.
 
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Hyet

Member
How many publishers are going to forgo that 150M PSX install base to sell a PS2 exclusive? The install base ratio is going to be very lopsided in the first few years.

PS2 has a bit of an uphill battle imo.
 

GoldenEye98

posts news as their odd job
How many publishers are going to forgo that 150M PSX install base to sell a PS2 exclusive? The install base ratio is going to be very lopsided in the first few years.

PS2 has a bit of an uphill battle imo.

Yeah when games cost like $10M and 2 years to develop....we are not in those times...

I guess the fact that Switch 2 will mostly be port/remaster system will help though
 

MrJangles

Member
Another day another Nintendo fresh off the back of the most successful console in history is doomed thread. I hope they sell 200m S2's to really piss certain insecure fanboys off....
 
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Hyet

Member
Yeah when games cost like $10M and 2 years to develop....we are not in those times...

I guess the fact that Switch 2 will mostly be port/remaster system will help though
So the the problem isn't the lopsided install base you point out on your first port but the cost increases that you suddenly remembered in your reply?
 

Ebrietas

Member
Publishers already routinely skip the Switch because it isn’t powerful enough. Switch 2 might be strong enough to be included more often in the PS5/PC development pipeline. That’s all that changes.

The premise of this thread doesn’t make any sense. There was never going to be any Switch 2 exclusive from a third party unless it’s something Nintendo themselves are involved in.
 
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Fbh

Member
Switch 1 doesn't have particularly strong third party support outside of indies and a few smaller scale games.
In fact tons of third party games just straight up skip the switch because it's too weak to consistently run the games.

If anything I could see Switch 2 having stronger third party support. All the devs/publishers that until now had to skip the system entirely due to technical reasons aren't going to be worried about the Switch 1 install base, they'll just be happy Nintendo finally has a stronger device where they can port over more games.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Nintendo DS sold 150+ million
PS2 150+ Million
Hell there are well over 100 million PS4s out there and PS5 is still banging out the numbers



It happens. Once the compelling software drops..."Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. That's the only way to become what you are meant to be." I hate that movie but I love that quote.
 

Magic Carpet

Gold Member
The low $20 trade in is the only barrier to keeping the Switch 1 around the house.
I would have traded it in a long time ago if it was worth more than an emergency game device next to the car's first aid kit.
 

cireza

Member
Obviously. The biggest competitor will be current Switch. It was already the case with the Wii for the Wii U. A ton of people will NOT make the transition. It will be pointless for them and they will remain perfectly satisfied with current Switch. Third Parties won't care, they will go where there is the larger player-base, they don't have to help Nintendo selling Switch 2 units.

It is up to Nintendo to drive the sales. You can expect big exclusives from them.
 
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I don't see any problem, Switch is completely obsolete on a technical level, developers will have to release their games on Switch2 no matter what.
 

Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
How many publishers are going to forgo that 150M install base to sell a Switch 2 exclusive? The install base ratio is going to be very lopsided in the first few years.

Switch 2 has a bit of an uphill battle imo.
same like they do now.
the games will continue to launch on the switch 1 and run like absolute shit.. The switch 2 will make the games run ok. And people will continue not giving a fuck.
nintendo has been doing this for years and never updated the hardware. the hardware update will not be a generational jump imo. it will just run the games not shit.

look at links awakening remake XD
 

kevboard

Member
How many publishers are going to forgo that 150M install base to sell a Switch 2 exclusive? The install base ratio is going to be very lopsided in the first few years.

Switch 2 has a bit of an uphill battle imo.

they will have to.

you can't port 99% of current gen titles to Switch, but you'll absolutely be able to port most of them to Switch 2.

so unless they make specific Switch 1 games, they will have no choice but to leave the Switch 1 behind.

this isn't a cross gen period like the one of the Series X and PS5. their predecessors can easily run most current gen games, while the Switch already struggled to run the few ports of PS4 and Xbox One games it got.

the only reason cross gen was this much of a thing on Series X and PS5 is because it was possible.
before this console generation it was almost impossible to do cross gen development unless you made dedicated and highly adjusted versions for the prior generation.

even an early last gen game like Titanfall is considered a miracle port on 360. because even these launch window titles were almost impossible to port to the older consoles. games that tried like Shadow of Mordor came out nearly unplayable, and Ubisoft didn't even bother trying to port The Crew to PS3 because even the 360 port was barely even possible.

and the Switch 2 will be in a similar position, because it very much follows a similar generational shift to that of Gen7 to Gen8.
Indy titles and small scale tiles will probably still release on Switch 1. but AA and AAA games will often be impossible to port over.
 
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