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Switch 1's install base is a potential problem for Switch 2
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DiddyKongRacing69
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You mean the same problem as every new console has and ever will? What is so different this time?
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Alebrije
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This happens on every new console, notthing will change , we still get ps4 games and PS5 has been around by 4-5 years or more
There will be hybrid games the next years , in my case unless S2 proves to be a game changer device ( so far it seems wont be) i wont get one at launch, will wait 1-2 years yo get a nice bundle, hope they release a Metroid one like Nintendo did with Gamecube eons ago.
There will be hybrid games the next years , in my case unless S2 proves to be a game changer device ( so far it seems wont be) i wont get one at launch, will wait 1-2 years yo get a nice bundle, hope they release a Metroid one like Nintendo did with Gamecube eons ago.
Sakura
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There's probably only a handful of third party games that have sold over a few million copies on the Switch so I don't think is really matters. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, they'll buy a Switch 2 for Animal Crossing or whatever, 3rd parties will put out ports of current games and if they sell then they'll put out more.
Furthermore, install base is overrated. The majority of that 150 million install base don't buy many games. Remember BotW sold just as well (if not better) than TotK on a much smaller install base. The kind of gamers more likely to buy games are also the ones who buy a console early in its life cycle.
Furthermore, install base is overrated. The majority of that 150 million install base don't buy many games. Remember BotW sold just as well (if not better) than TotK on a much smaller install base. The kind of gamers more likely to buy games are also the ones who buy a console early in its life cycle.
leo-j
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they can do the same thing they are doing with series S and ps4, just release lowered spec'd versions of current gen games to a console that is likely to be a little under what the series S can output. That way they have 100 million consoles with ps5/xbox and a growing base with switch 2.
hououinkyouma00
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This would help, but it might not be enough.
The problem is more that there are millions of Switches out there and if devs don't see a reason to develop only for the Switch 2 which is likely as look at how many games still come out for the last gen consoles then consumers don't have as many reasons to buy the new hardware.
What needs to happen is Nintendo stops selling the original Switch AND stops developing games for it as well. No cross gen bullshit.
RCU005
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Well, Sony clearly didn’t want to forgo the PS4 install base since they are still releasing cross gen games.
I think making the jump to next gen exclusives is what makes people also make the jump to the new console and grow the install base.
I believe Nintendo will do it.
Dr_Ifto
Member
I bought a switch due to the convenience and indie games moreso than nintendo games. Nintendo games are just icing on the cake. But im not buying another handheld unit that will just do the same mine already does. THe switch will still get ports of indie games unless NInendo puts a stop to it. Then that would be shitty. A lot of parents I know in my circle feel the same.
The Switch 2 will be a success, but the same success as the Switch 1? That will be hard to tell. Only the hardcore are buying multiple units. I dont need another one or better one when mine works perfectly fine.
Suffering from Success syndrome
The Switch 2 will be a success, but the same success as the Switch 1? That will be hard to tell. Only the hardcore are buying multiple units. I dont need another one or better one when mine works perfectly fine.
Suffering from Success syndrome
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Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Switch sold loads because lots of moms and dads / relatives got one or two to shove in front of their kid(s)
I don't see the same moms and dads rushing out to buy a Switch 2.
Richieboothie
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I think that the original Switch has been around long enough and customers are ready for the upgrade. Backwards compatibility, in my opinion, puts it over the top and removes any concerns that buys may have.
Dr_Ifto
Member
Exactly my point. Nintendo has to give a real reason to buy the new console, and backwards compatibility at the start wont help it.
You think that's a problem?
Switch annual active player userbase hit a peak in 2024 at 129 million users.
Each user has created an account through which Nintendo can push content to market their new shining console.
The rest is placed upon the successor' new/better features and games that will roll on over time.
If Switch 2 isn't enticing enough and the games on it are boring then it will deserve to fail.
But Switch 2, by virtue of succeeding the OG Switch, will starts with so much more wind behind its sail...
Switch annual active player userbase hit a peak in 2024 at 129 million users.
Each user has created an account through which Nintendo can push content to market their new shining console.
The rest is placed upon the successor' new/better features and games that will roll on over time.
If Switch 2 isn't enticing enough and the games on it are boring then it will deserve to fail.
But Switch 2, by virtue of succeeding the OG Switch, will starts with so much more wind behind its sail...
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HJuggernaut
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This plays into Nintendo's cyclical pattern of alternating between successful consoles and flops
cinnamonandgravy
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no thanks, already got a wii u
Don't give them ideas.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
You want a switch 2? Knock yourself out you’ll get new Mario, Metroid prime 4 at launch and who knows Zelda.
Dorago
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Same problem with PS4 to PS5. PS4 is STILL getting exclusive releases in 2025.
Switch 2 will have to be a quantum leap and not just do the same thing with slightly better grafix.
They need to risk fewer sales by making the new Mario Kart, Mario, and Zelda new gen only.
Otherwise we'll have eight more years of stagnation.
Switch 2 will have to be a quantum leap and not just do the same thing with slightly better grafix.
They need to risk fewer sales by making the new Mario Kart, Mario, and Zelda new gen only.
Otherwise we'll have eight more years of stagnation.
Sentenza
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I have the strong suspicion that the Switch 2 MAY be literally a Switch 1 with beefed-up hardware specifications.
Incidentally, this would also explain why few months ago they decided to suddenly start chasing after emulation so aggressively, when they ignored it for years.
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Dorfdad
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But Will, a lot of those developers put any real effort into the switch two side of the game or just the switch oneUmm games are backward compatible. Publishers won't be leaving anyone out if they decide to make a switch game.
And gamers will be bringing their games with them.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Are we talking console exclusives?
3rd-party publishers will forgo Switch 1 simply because it can't run current gen multiplatform games.
3rd-party publishers will forgo Switch 1 simply because it can't run current gen multiplatform games.
Natural for the 3rd parties to do that during a console transition these days. There will probably be an exclusive or two though at launch from 3rd parties. And the greater power of the Switch 2 will enable some 3rd party ports not possible on Switch.
Nintendo is vast majority of Switch software sales iirc. And all their new software will be aimed at Switch 2.
Don't see an uphill battle because of 3rd parties having versions of some games on Switch.
The uphill battle is convincing them to buy new similar looking hardware to play Mario Kart or Smash again.
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Davevil
Late October Surprise
Codes 208
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man, its almost like we’ve gone through this nine times or something
Tbf the wii u bar was so low even xbox could comfortably walk over it.
touchfuzzy
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This is exactly what will happen. The only games that will be cross-gen are those upcoming currently announced for Switch 1 (Metroid Prime 4, Pokemon Legends) -- everything else will be Switch 2 exclusive. People who think Mario Kart 9 will be cross-gen are delusional.
Nintendo will probably throw a couple bones to Switch 1 owners in 2025 like a Kirby Planet Robobot remaster or something (like they still released a few 3DS games in 2017) but everything major will only be on the new platform.
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ResilientBanana
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Switch games will be compatible with Switch 2. It’s easy, do what Sony and Microsoft have their developers do.
Robb
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I think he might mean Switch(?). When the Switch launched the Switch version of BotW sold more copies than the Switch itself, i.e. the attach ratio was above 100% for a while.
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dragonyeuw
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Depends on the game and the company. Ubisoft and EA will probably do alot of cross-platform releases where technically feasible because they want to cast the widest net. Stuff like Doom the Dark Ages or Read Dead 2 wouldn't run on Switch 1 so they'd have to be Switch 2 ports, ditto for something like FF Vii Remake/Rebirth. Nintendo will make exclusive titles that will move units( like Mario Kart 9 or new 3D Mario), and cross-platform titles that aren't sales barn-burners and would benefit from the Switch 1 userbase ( like Metroid Prime 4).
HogIsland
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it's going from 2008 -> 2015. big upgrade for the faithful
Loomy
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No one is abandoning last gen hardware anymore. Crossgen is a technical and financial necessity.
Robb
Gold Member
Wouldn’t be the first time. Wii/WiiU nor DS/3DS had any notable cross gen periods despite their 100/150M user bases.
But then again they only have one system on the market these days, and are under new management as well.
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Rawbutt Jellybean
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Nintendo games have legs and are rarely discounted. They don't need to make back all the money quickly.
They likely have held back some Switch games and will have a few cross gen to make the transition easier but the Switch userbase will quickly stop being a priority.
They likely have held back some Switch games and will have a few cross gen to make the transition easier but the Switch userbase will quickly stop being a priority.
Codes 208
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Ohhh, i was thinking of how botw sold more copies than there are wii us
Cause i remember that being a big deal back then
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No way is MK9 cross gen.
They want to sell the new system. They play the long game.
I mean the whole reason for a new system is new game experiences and new ways to play not possible on the old system.
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Robb
Gold Member
Oh, right. I might have read it the wrong way. Both cases are interesting/fun to consider though.
apple_of_enlightenment
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How is this different to backwards compatibility of PS5? Or any PS or Xbox?
Iced Arcade
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why do they have to stop producing for the previous gen?
shit Sony and xbox continued for how many years?
shit Sony and xbox continued for how many years?
because they aren't sony and xbox. And because the Switch has ran its course.
you're going to get zero cross gen games likely.
I wouldn't bet on MP4 not being cross gen but wouldn't bet it would either.
Shaki12345
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Even when Nintendo fails, it still succeeds (financially).