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Take-Two Nine Months: Net Loss ($752.7 m) ; Net Revenue (Mobile 54%, Console 37%, PC and Other 9%)
nikolino840
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Digital 97 physical 3
Mortisfacio
Member
Often times when stock jumps on poor earnings, it's because of guidance. Mafia, Borderlands and GTA 6 on the horizon bodes well for the next 12 months.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Still amazed the cap game goes this hard. Yes, let's take Welfare's estimates (which have always been overly bullish for Xbox) over very known & prominent market analyst firms, and the multi-billion dollar publisher with the industry's single-biggest game franchise who used those same sources.
Why do they keep hurting themselves with takes like these? Is it a fetish now?
What we do know is, Xbox Series was at barely over 25 million sold-through at the start of 2024. They moved somewhere between 3.8 - 4.2 million for the entirety of 2024, going with realistic estimates. So at worst they hit 28.8 million (sold-through) by EOY 2024, at best 29.2 million.
At this moment they are lucky to be within 500K of 30 million. Again, all sold-through. So I'd take Take Two's estimate over Welfare's or a random poster who regularly stans (to ridiculous lengths) for the pictured console.
EDIT: Actually, my Xbox estimates for EOY 2024 might even be too high at the low-end. Turns out SIE announced 65.6 million PS5s at the end of September, and we know they sold 2 million (WW I think) in December 2024 alone, so that'd be at least 67.6. They didn't stop selling systems in October or November either and we can probably assume around a million for each month globally.
So actual realistic LTD for Xbox Series by EOY 2024 could be as low as 25 million...sold through...by EOY 2024
Personally I'd say 27-28 million (somewhere in-between) if we're being extremely lenient, but there's a big chance it's definitely lower than 27 million (by EOY 2024).
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I didn't buy Civ 7
jm89
Member
His even estimating higher then vgchartz.....
Still amazed the cap game goes this hard. Yes, let's take Welfare's estimates (which have always been overly bullish for Xbox) over very known & prominent market analyst firms, and the multi-billion dollar publisher with the industry's single-biggest game franchise who used those same sources.
Why do they keep hurting themselves with takes like these? Is it a fetish now?
What we do know is, Xbox Series was at barely over 25 million sold-through at the start of 2024. They moved somewhere between 3.8 - 4.2 million for the entirety of 2024, going with realistic estimates. So at worst they hit 28.8 million (sold-through) by EOY 2024, at best 29.2 million.
At this moment they are lucky to be within 500K of 30 million. Again, all sold-through. So I'd take Take Two's estimate over Welfare's or a random poster who regularly stans (to ridiculous lengths) for the pictured console.
RDR2, RDR, GTA5, Civilisation. GTA6 isn't even out for it to count towards this percentage so I don't know why you're talking about it big bro.
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I'm pretty sure this is just the money for GTA VI
Firestartah
Banned
RDR2 came out 6 years lil bro and even so it reached almost 100k ccu on steam during the last sale, im pretty sure it sold gazilions on steam over the years. RDR is a barebones port that literally came 15years later, that would never have made a dent. Civ7 is hated and downvoted by the steam community, didnt look into it as to why.
The reality is that Take-Two only has sports and gta5 gaas shit to get money from and PC gamers arent about that shit. If anyone thinks this means PC isnt as big as people say it is or shit like that, they are literally retarded.
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AFBT88
Member
Yes, but im more talking about the 9% part.
Astray
Member
I really wonder if the uplift of revenue for GTA6 would be good enough to support the development costs.
For all we know, they could have just kept GTA5 going and kept rolling in cash. Or at worst just released a new story + city on the existing GTA5 tapestry.
Idk why but I have a feeling that GTA6 is gonna underwhelm.
I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. It released 7 years ago for console too, even worse right if there is nothing to buy? If it sold gazilions then it would not be only 9%. RDR, that came later, much like Civ 6 on console even if you ignore Civ 7. Where are the sales for that?
"Aren't about that shit". If anybody thinks PC isn't made of Gaas sales, even more so than console, they're literally retarded. Honestly. PC is big but the fools making it like it's dominating and consoles are dying are mostly full of shit.
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RyanEvans21
Member
Take Two have to pay more than 12k employees every month.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Only, they absolutely do.
League Of Legends
Apex Legends
Overwatch
Valorant
GTAO
Dota 2
Warframe
Rainbow Six Siege
World of Warcraft
Are all amongst the biggest games on PC in any given month. I could name more F2P/MTX ridden slop, but I don't have all day.
The scam games like Civ, Paradox stuff, etc has a disproportionately PC player base.
It's a fact that PC gamers spend less money on buying games than console players, and more money on MTX.
You also buy into early access the most.
No one platform's userbase is innocent in encouraging the bullshit, but PC gamers do it disproportionately and were Patient Zero.
Funny. PC gamers brag about Helldivers 2 making more money on Steam than PS.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
A couple of days? You think more than half the console userbase is going to buy a copy in the first couple of days?
asdasdasdbb
Member
That's the wild part of this. Like is T2 going out of business if GTA 6 even sorta flops?
Skifi28
Member
Then you have a different group of delusional fanboys that keep beating their chests about how consoles are dead and PC is the saving grace of the universe and the moment numbers such as these come up, the immediate reply is "PC users are too good for GAAS trash". Yeah, only quality stuff sells on PC.
Everyone buys GAAS trash, it's just that PC users tend to prefer different GAAS trash than console users. It's a competition only on GAF.
demigod
Member
Still amazed the cap game goes this hard. Yes, let's take Welfare's estimates (which have always been overly bullish for Xbox) over very known & prominent market analyst firms, and the multi-billion dollar publisher with the industry's single-biggest game franchise who used those same sources.
Why do they keep hurting themselves with takes like these? Is it a fetish now?
What we do know is, Xbox Series was at barely over 25 million sold-through at the start of 2024. They moved somewhere between 3.8 - 4.2 million for the entirety of 2024, going with realistic estimates. So at worst they hit 28.8 million (sold-through) by EOY 2024, at best 29.2 million.
At this moment they are lucky to be within 500K of 30 million. Again, all sold-through. So I'd take Take Two's estimate over Welfare's or a random poster who regularly stans (to ridiculous lengths) for the pictured console.
EDIT: Actually, my Xbox estimates for EOY 2024 might even be too high at the low-end. Turns out SIE announced 65.6 million PS5s at the end of September, and we know they sold 2 million (WW I think) in December 2024 alone, so that'd be at least 67.6. They didn't stop selling systems in October or November either and we can probably assume around a million for each month globally.
So actual realistic LTD for Xbox Series by EOY 2024 could be as low as 25 million...sold through...by EOY 2024
Personally I'd say 27-28 million (somewhere in-between) if we're being extremely lenient, but there's a big chance it's definitely lower than 27 million (by EOY 2024).
Guy is a fucking idiot. His 36m numbers are laughable.
Vroadstar
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demigod
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Those 2 are what i’d call fake pc gamers. Like how the fuck do you not know this.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Zingay acquisition
Mortisfacio
Member
No. Everything you listed is still better than the slop that Take Two made profits off of. Most those games that are multiplat are also top played on console.
This is mobile and console slop.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
I thought console gaming was dead, what happened to that stupid narrative lol?Take 2 saying 94+ million consoles sold as of November 2024 places Xbox at approximately 24+ million units sold as of November 2024
. No wonder MS are going full third party
Topher
Identifies as young
Skewed heavily towards digital because of mobile
kazuyamishima
Member
PCMR carrying the industry as always.....
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
GTA5 did 1 billion in 3 days, it will easily make 2 billion probably by halfway through the next week
Team Andromeda
Member
Spot on
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Helldivers 2 is a good game, so nothing wrong with that and so are a lot of games on your list. GTA online and sports titles though? It’s comical to see the usual suspects accuse the PC userbase of not buying late single player ports and only GAAS and pretend console gamers have "better taste" (yes, one of them claimed that), when GTA V has been charting in the top 10 on PS5 for over a decade because of shark cards. When Capcom who they call Capgod and champion for saving the industry revealed that 54% of their sales were on PC, you heard crickets chirp from those same posters.
The sheer way the script flipped in this thread should be a case study. Same posters lamenting the death of single player games are giggling at consoles carrying fucking Take Two as if it was a good thing when their entire catalog is trash GAAS and not even good stuff.
And no, patient 0 is Xbox Live and paying for online.
You are correct and that’s fine. We all know GAAS are far more profitable than premium titles when they hit, which is why the likes of Sony and Ubisoft are desperately trying to strike gold with one despite their repeated failures. I just find it weirdly poetic a thread about how some of the worst practices in the industry are carried by consoles has been turned on its head as if it was good that Take Two has been making loads of cash with the same two games for a decade on their favored platform.
And of course, those saying consoles are dying are every bit as moronic as those who pretended PC was dead in the early 2000s, but that goes without saying.
Just don’t cheer for consoles being responsible for Take Two’s garbage being successful. It’d be like praising the foolish PC gamers who buy $100K skins in Counter Strike. As stupid as stupid gets.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
That's because some people are delusional.9% is extremely low for a platform that seems to be pushed so hard everywhere and has such a vocal community. I was honestly expecting much more parity between consoles and PC.
Kerotan
Member
It's crazy without the shark bytes they'd have no choice but to release many more GTA's and red deads. Anyone who buys that crap should be rounded up for crimes against gaming.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
When do we see take 2 ...take pc seriously.
Their games don't even have good pc ports do they? Nba etc?
Their games don't even have good pc ports do they? Nba etc?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
less piracy and special treatment from valve?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
still no a good way of doing bunsiess
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Look at their portfolio. It’s all garbage. Why would you want that to sell on PC? We’re dealing with enough trash as is. No need for more of it to be successful.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I do feel that gta 6 may see the shortest pc delay we have seen.
I also hope for this. 3 to 6 months instead of a year. Unless they aren't going to start porting until the console versions launch.
MMaRsu
Member
Absolutely and there will be loads of people buying a console just for GTA6.
Their portfolio includes the likes of the best rated and biggest selling games in GTA5 and RDR2, as well as highly rated catalogue titles and new releases like bioshock, borderlands, and private division releases like Hades, Kerbal Space Program, The Outer Worlds, etc. The fact that the mobile "slop" is selling doesn't mean this isn't true for PC and console too. PC users aren't special snowflakes. They buy more mtx/GaaS just the same if not more so.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Most of his is dwarfed by RDR2 and GTA V, both garbage games.
They definitely do. I’m just glad they don’t contribute to it as much when it comes to Take Two. I hate GTA and Rockstar games with a passion and believe their success are some of the worst things to happen to the game industry.
As far as GAAS crap is concerned, Rockstsar stuff and sports games are bottom of the barrel to me. Just slightly above gacha and mobile games.
Those are for 9 months ending December. They lost more than that for 2024 and 2023, though I'm not sure why there is such a discrepancy between the 12 month ending March and the 9 months ending December.
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Suit yourself but I would take RDR and GTA over the likes of LoL, Dota 2, Valorant etc, any day of the week.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I at least respect those games for having a thriving competitive scene and a lot of depth to their game mechanics. I’m not into MOBAs at all, but I give credit to people skilled at them (or any multiplayer game, really).
Not sure if there is such a thing as a skilled GTA player or a competitive scene. Last I played online, I think I got run over and when I came out of the hospital, I immediately got taken out by a hidden sniper.