Oh, nice catch I didn't double check that. Also Chaos Theory as I remember had shit ton of graphics options to change, like shaders and stuff for older GPUs at the time. Which could ran on my older Nvidia card this way. That was a really nice port back in the day. I wouldn't have thought that Ubi will fall like that then.
I don't waste my money and time on shitty UBI games, but the thread is about GRAPHICS, not gameplay or your personal taste, and I watched plenty of videos about it, from tech analysis to reviews to gameplay highlights.
So you have no idea what youre talking about. Got it.No shit, Sherlock.
Crysis was THE *reference* for high end graphics (lighting, texturing *and* effects, physics, AI, ...) for many many years. It was a huge jump from what existed before and influenced gaming forever.
You may like it a lot, but The Division didn't have ANY kind of influence, and it never has been any reference for ANYTHING. Not when it was released and certainly not today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A game like RDR2, which released only 2 years after The Division, comes to mind as something that can be cited as influential and ahead of its time in many aspects, but saying The Division is "miles ahead" of modern games is just laughable.
This is such a good point I can't believe it.
Runs at native 864p 60fps, looking worse than that, on PS5 Pro.
Runs at native 4K 60fps and native 1440p 120fps on the same hardware.
I too like RT. A lot actually, and especially Path Tracing which is like the ultimate dream and final destination of real time rendering.
It is just not worth the cost most of the time, at least on consoles. Even though I find some RT to be almost necessary, like RT reflections because SSR just suck so bad (they suck less when well implemented and in conjunction with perfectly placed cubemaps):
And whatever the hell obscure solution ND is using for the Ellie reflection in that pool:
Or for all their reflective mirrors, but they still suck for vast majority of teams that aren't the ND of the industry.
And RT shadows because they also often suck so bad and the only alternative to truly realistic shadows is PCSS, which is also heavy and only implemented in console games I can count on one hand.
RT GI is completely useless in static time of day games as you can simulate perfectly both GI bounce (and doing it much better than RT + denoise possible on consoles and most PCs) and occlude the bounce in many ways like capsule AO ND uses perfectly. It's a different story with dynamic time of day, there it's maybe the most important feature, but also extremely taxing and has been convingly simulated even in PS3 games like GTA V, so..
And RT AO I would never be able to tell the difference without side by side from a good HBAO+, and at times would even visually prefer an artifact free SSAO which appeared in many console games from most talented devs.
RT is the future, it's just simply sure as shit not worth it when it means I have to play at PS3-like internal resolutions and framerate.
Believe it or not, there's like a dozen users here on GAF in the "Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen" who believe points should be detracted from ND games for not using Ray Tracing.
On the same hardware where they already successfully simulate every RT feature possible on that hardware, but at four times the resolution and twice the framerate actual RT would require. At least to achieve similar results without noise/artifacts.
EXACTLY
nonsense.
I don't thinik even Nvidia PR marketing team would deny this..
It gets better. Every planet has a certain color filter to make them look unique and the first world has this ugly green cast to it. Also, make sure your gamma settings are correct, a slight change makes a difference for some reason.
I don't thinik even Nvidia PR marketing team would deny this..
Devs use path tracing references far exceeding what's possible in real time currently on any hardware, and when talented enough perfectly emulate the reference do so cleanly without all sort of denoising artifacts which are still extremely common on every hardware.
And this is decade old PS4 hardware, imagine what you could achieve on modern ones.
The pure cope is pretending the amount of rays (and denoising) currently possible would be able to match offline rendering.
nah. robocop does not impress me too much. It might be technically better lit than ton of games but tlou2 and uc4 is still better to me. Looks like quixel megascan store assets tech demo.
Don't get me wrong, RT is great and it definitely is a benefit to most games. But can we stop acting like it's the end all be all when raster was doing so amazingly after so many years of bespoke techniques and workarounds were invented?
RT is old as computer graphics and it's the brute force approach.
Lumen is a good middleground between poor raster and expensive RT. Actually feels like expansion of global illumation raster techniques.
Anyway. I find it kinda funny how we were all touting for Metro Exodus when it first came out with RT mode but then after they released enhanced edition with PROPER rt with multiple bounces, it looked completely different and we saw how wrong and too dark original metro exodus with rt was. Just an anecdote
Just as a reminder. 4k60+ fps with completely flawless image quality. I would be happy with that. Just add this gen assets quality and it's done.
All my shots. not a single cutscene.
TLOU2:
And some uc4 just for good measure:
these are gameplay shots. Just sometimes photomode to remove the character.
Vick
posted clips many times.
these are gameplay shots. Just sometimes photomode to remove the character.
Looks exactly as good in motion.
Sure, there is an odd room here or there with some flat lighting. of course there is but generally it's very impressive.
These are now the cleanest console games in motion imo.... ok Demons Souls beats them.
Compared to all UE5 or RT heavy games that break up in motion quite badly.
All the problems we have on Alan wake 2 on consoles... is the cause of using their own rt-like tech. It's still grainy, even on pro. Still constructs and denoises the image. Still shimmers... and is 30fps.
Meanwhile, uc4 and tlou1,2 over here are delivering postcard image quality in motion.
Gotta give the props to RE4 remake too. It can look surprisingly clean and good. Capcom using photogrammetry assets starting with RE7 and their bake quality really shows.
Not so long time ago I was still very impressed with raster / prebaked graphics, but I changed my perspective since I upgraded my PC and started playing with RT. The thing is, as you start playing games with better graphics, you start to notice the imperfections of older games.
Vick
- another great bunch of examples!
Not so long time ago I was still very impressed with raster / prebaked graphics, but I changed my perspective since I upgraded my PC and started playing with RT. The thing is, as you start playing games with better graphics, you start to notice the imperfections of older games.
Uncharted 4 was mentioned in this thread. Well I played this game just two weeks ago and couldnt believe how dated it looks now (just the lighting, because assets in this game still look quite good).
The point is, my shots are not very cherry picked. I have like 500 shots from each of these games.
I don't thinik even Nvidia PR marketing team would deny this..
Devs use path tracing references far exceeding what's possible in real time currently on any hardware, and when talented enough perfectly emulate the reference do so cleanly without all sort of denoising artifacts which are still extremely common on every hardware.
And this is decade old PS4 hardware, imagine what you could achieve on modern ones.
The pure cope is pretending the amount of rays (and denoising) currently possible would be able to match offline rendering.
Dude this is 2016 software on 2013 hardware..
Because it's an open level and:
Dude this is 2016 software on 2013 hardware..
And it's for sure closer to reference than what the laughable amount of rays possible to trace in real time now, combined with the altering results of heavy denoising, would be able to achieve.
Is YouTube the only video hosting website allowed? Is there also a time timit to the videos in order to be eligible or?
Because it's an open level and:
"Dude this is 2016 software on 2013 hardware.."
Baking requires time, significant time.
Vick
screenshots show Uncharted 4 in a very good light, so if someone were to look at his screenshots and then read our comments, then people can think we are drunk . I will however try to explain what's the problem with the lighting in this game. I will be using screenshots from the Uncharted 4 thread here on neogaf, because downloading this game would take some time.
Those photo-mode HDR to SDR Uncharted 4 screenshots..
Just to provide context, these the atrocious TLOU areas (time-stamped).
One where you can't stay still for a single second otherwise you are shot to death, given it's an escape sequence where you traverse multiple areas while running.
The other is from the new No Return mode, which was absent in the original release and is a frenetic action mode involving scores and allows for all sort of modifications and different kinds of encounters and bonuses and of which many involving a timer.
The other is from this horde sequence in the Hotel, another area you're not supposed to stay in for long:
Those photo-mode HDR to SDR Uncharted 4 screenshots..
Would be like me posting all the countless instances where Cyberpunk looks like a literal PS2 game. Here some outdoor shots as well, all gameplay (first person ones while aiming with no HUD):
And some of the characters lighting in gameplay:
. On PC with PT however I havent seen a single scene where the lighting would look bad.
