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[BennyBlanco]

I still have windows installed on a 126 gig SATA SSD from like 2012. I need to move the install to my M2 drive to get windows 11. How much of a pain in the ass is this process these days?

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

Wish I hadn't upgraded. Many games lag on launch, from 20 seconds to over a minute (Sekiro) before you can access the main menu.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Am waiting until its utterly unavoidable. Formatting and changing your OS is and always will be the worst thing about owning a pc.

It was rarely an issue on Mac, but with Windows it’s better to start fresh than to ever upgrade to a major release. I just don’t have it in me these days, so I’ll be sitting tight with Windows 10 until they stop the long term security patches.

 

[nkarafo]

I still have windows installed on a 126 gig SATA SSD from like 2012. I need to move the install to my M2 drive to get windows 11. How much of a pain in the ass is this process these days?

Should be pretty easy with something like Mini Tool Partition Wizard. Use clone disc and you should be OK. I moved a ton of setups from old HDDs to SSDs with no issues.

 

[rodrigolfp]

It was mentioned by a couple devs that the reason they were not using dx12 was because it was broken or incomplete a few years ago, not everyone had 4 ghz 8 thread cpu´s right, and by the Petersen interview above it seems dx storage is also missing some foundations on PC at the time. I don´t expect dx storage to shine any time soon on PC, MS must have like 3 people working on the PC side of things (hdr never worked well under windows 10 for example).

Never? I don't see any problems in years. Even auto-HDR works.

 

[nkarafo]

Never? I don't see any problems in years. Even auto-HDR works.

"never worked" probably means "always looked like shit".

At least in my case i can confirm that.

 

[rodrigolfp]

"never worked" probably means "always looked like shit".

At least in my case i can confirm that.

Here it doesn't, unless it does on already known games that suck on all platforms like RDR2 (I don't remember if it was ever fixed).

 

[Lickety]

Shame that the slopware has already been adopted by such a large consumer-base. I'd love to use Linux, but it's too much of a hassle and incredibly user-unfriendly. Not that I can't use Linux. I'm just lazy.

 

[winjer]

I used Win11 for a year. Did a few tweaks to improve the UI, but still, it was very lacking.
With one of the updates a couple of months ago, I started to get a weird bug with rendering some UI elements.
So a couple of weeks ago, I decided to format and do a clean install. But decided to go back to Win10.
And it was like an upgrade, especially the UI. So much better than Win11.
Although I didn't benchmark both, from what I can tell, the performance is the same.

 

[lukilladog]

Never? I don't see any problems in years. Even auto-HDR works.

You were lucky I guess.

"But on Windows PCs, the brightness- and contrast-boosting technology has been plagued by poor implementation, so-so results when it actually does work, and conflicts in previous versions of Windows that could sometimes lead to worse image quality, instead of better."

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/testing-auto-hdr-in-windows-11-a-better-way-to-brighten-up-your-games

 

[rodrigolfp]

You were lucky I guess.

"But on Windows PCs, the brightness- and contrast-boosting technology has been plagued by poor implementation, so-so results when it actually does work, and conflicts in previous versions of Windows that could sometimes lead to worse image quality, instead of better."

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/testing-auto-hdr-in-windows-11-a-better-way-to-brighten-up-your-games

This is about Auto HDR only. Maybe I was luck with the games I tested or I didn't noticed.

 

[lukilladog]

This is about Auto HDR only. Maybe I was luck with the games I tested or I didn't noticed.

The introduction is talking about the hdr implementation in general.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Can't really find a justification to upgrade. This shit seems extremely invasive. I have a laptop with windows 11 that I bought my Mother. She was installing her point and click games from windows 98/XP era and the damned OS kept bugging her about it actually being her, running/using the computer. Input a pin, now input a password. She's too old to be bothered with that shit.

I had finally gotten TMP 2.0 running, after digging through my bios, but the more I experience with Win 11 and read about it's negatives, it's cons. I am more inclined to stay away from it.

 

[names are for friends]

Shame that the slopware has already been adopted by such a large consumer-base. I'd love to use Linux, but it's too much of a hassle and incredibly user-unfriendly. Not that I can't use Linux. I'm just lazy.

Everyone wants to use Linux but nobody wants random games to just not function properly.

Anyway I'm one of the Win 11 losers. I just wanted auto HDR and god knows Win 10 is also a big POS so how much worse could it be? It's not like they can't already syphon off all my data to some evil government agency or whatever. Functionally this is just Windows 10 once you fix the UI stuff they messed with. Auto HDR is nice.

She was installing her point and click games from windows 98/XP era and the damned OS kept bugging her about it actually being her, running/using the computer. Input a pin, now input a password.

This has never happened to me on any of my two computers with Windows 11 installed. That doesn't sound normal.

 

[rodrigolfp]

The introduction is talking about the hdr implementation in general.

And where is the part saing that never worked well?

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Everyone wants to use Linux but nobody wants random games to just not function properly.

Anyway I'm one of the Win 11 losers. I just wanted auto HDR and god knows Win 10 is also a big POS so how much worse could it be? It's not like they can't already syphon off all my data to some evil government agency or whatever. Functionally this is just Windows 10 once you fix the UI stuff they messed with. Auto HDR is nice.



This has never happened to me on any of my two computers with Windows 11 installed. That doesn't sound normal.

It's not normal. This is the first time I have had time with windows 11. My first impression is that it is fast, even on lower end specced machine like hers. But, I don't like the desktop, maybe that is just predisposed bias.
I heard you can change it, but it's her machine and I don't think it really needs to be changed to suit me, I just make sure everything she needs to use is in front of her and she comes to me if she needs help understanding something new.

 

[Fuz]

Can't really find a justification to upgrade. This shit seems extremely invasive. I have a laptop with windows 11 that I bought my Mother. She was installing her point and click games from windows 98/XP era and the damned OS kept bugging her about it actually being her, running/using the computer. Input a pin, now input a password. She's too old to be bothered with that shit.

I had finally gotten TMP 2.0 running, after digging through my bios, but the more I experience with Win 11 and read about it's negatives, it's cons. I am more inclined to stay away from it.

Oh this is similar to my experience with 10.
Bought a new laptop for my mom, we saw fucking advertising (shame on all of you for accepting that lying down) on the start menu, she couldn't really get around like she was used to and we returned it.

Years later, she's still rocking her old W7 laptop even if she broke the screen hinge.

 

[lukilladog]

And where is the part saing that never worked well?

I was the one saying it never worked well, the article supports my claim with sentences like "as scattershot as it could get on Windows PCs".

 

[rodrigolfp]

I was the one saying it never worked well, the article supports my claim with sentences like "as scattershot as it could get on Windows PCs".

In the same article they say that it works "well" on FH5. So how the hell it never worked?

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Oh this is similar to my experience with 10.
Bought a new laptop for my mom, we saw fucking advertising (shame on all of you for accepting that lying down) on the start menu, she couldn't really get around like she was used to and we returned it.

Years later, she's still rocking her old W7 laptop even if she broke the screen hinge.

I might downgrade if it becomes persistent and of course, if she wants.

 

[lukilladog]

In the same article they say that it works "well" on FH5. So how the hell it never worked?

That´s windows 11.

 

[rodrigolfp]

That´s windows 11.

So works well on 11 but not on 10??

Videos like this are lying to us?

 

[Andodalf]

It's necessary for Intel 12th gen and later

 

[names are for friends]

Oh this is similar to my experience with 10.
Bought a new laptop for my mom, we saw fucking advertising (shame on all of you for accepting that lying down) on the start menu, she couldn't really get around like she was used to and we returned it.

Years later, she's still rocking her old W7 laptop even if she broke the screen hinge.

Always nuke the OS on any prebuilt or laptop imo. It's always full of rubbish they get paid to put on there.

But also it's very silly how much you have to unfuckulate Windows 10/11 to make it usable. There are programs and scripts that can sort it out but it's still beyond the average user.

E: I think more people would be complaining about the advertising if it wasn't removable though, I think I'd start looking at Linux more seriously... better believe I have Windows update hard disabled so they can't screw with the OS any more but this also means I CAN'T PLAY MICROSOFT GAMES EVEN THROUGH STEAM thanks MS

 

[lukilladog]

So works well on 11 but not on 10??

Why don´t you read the article?. They concluded that hdr on windows 11 is much closer to a proper implementation than it was on windows 10:

"That said, HDR, a feature that once seemed like it was tacked onto the Windows ecosystem, is nearer to becoming a part of the whole. It's almost integral to the experience of gaming on a PC in the same way it has been for console gamers for some time."

 

[Nocturno999]

I still can't see any reason to "upgrade". Win 10 is super stable and it seems 11 is even more intrusive.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Why don´t you read the article?. They concluded that hdr on windows 11 is much closer to a proper implementation than it was on windows 10:

"That said, HDR, a feature that once seemed like it was tacked onto the Windows ecosystem, is nearer to becoming a part of the whole. It's almost integral to the experience of gaming on a PC in the same way it has been for console gamers for some time."

I read. They said Windows ecosystem there, one should assume by the word ecosystem that it's about both 10 and 11.

In the end they even say "Auto HDR in Windows 10 and 11 have brought thousands of PC games one step closer to making your next HDR monitor purchase worth the extra cost."

 

[lukilladog]

I read. They said Windows ecosystem there, one should assume by the word ecosystem that it's about both 10 and 11.

In the end they even say "Auto HDR in Windows 10 and 11 have brought thousands of PC games one step closer to making your next HDR monitor purchase worth the extra cost."

I wont thank multi-trillion companies for making half-assed software implementations and then take years to bring them to an usable level.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I wont thank multi-trillion companies for making half-assed software implementations and then take years to bring them to an usable level.

I won't too. And it is usable for several games for years already.

 

[names are for friends]

HDR was always fine in HDR content for me. It only sucked on "fake" HDR-compatible displays. Idk.

 

[Three]

In before "I still use Windows 7".

2.7% of people use that.

Steam user data:
Windows 10 64 bit
71.76%

Windows 11 64 bit
24.71%

Windows 7 64 bit
2.70%

Windows 8.1 64 bit
0.53%

Windows 7
0.15%

Windows 10
0.06%

Other
0.08%
-0.02%

What gaming OS monopoly, we have steam and Wine, am I right guys?

 

[Fuz]

But also it's very silly how much you have to unfuckulate Windows 10/11 to make it usable. There are programs and scripts that can sort it out but it's still beyond the average user.

I'm using 8.1 and I HEAVILY modified it to make it sufferable. It was a titanic undertaking that took a lot of time. I don't think there's another PC in existance that looks and feels like mine.

I dread the day that I will be forced to switch OS. I probably just retire in the woods and live off grid like an hermit, instead

 

[Filben]

so they can enjoy the many benefits and features that Windows 10 doesn't have that are more beneficial to the gaming community.

The OS has been great for gaming

Can someone elaborate?

When Win 11 came out it said my system is not supported. Now it says it is. My system works great so why should I upgrade?

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Always nuke the OS on any prebuilt or laptop imo. It's always full of rubbish they get paid to put on there.

Easier said than done, and some retailers set the trap to void the warranty or returns of it results in issues.

 

[twilo99]

I'm running on all of my machines, no issues at all.

 

[names are for friends]

Easier said than done, and some retailers set the trap to void the warranty or returns of it results in issues.

It's really not, you just download the ISO from Microsoft, use Rufus to write a bootable USB drive, wipe the storage and install... ok maybe you have to do it with just the keyboard and maybe you need to put some drivers if it uses Intel Optane or w/e. Windows Update usually installs required drivers and software after install

I didn't know about warranty though. It feels like that shouldn't even be a factor in a warranty for a hardware issue but idk.

 

[64bitmodels]

One thing I really hate is how metro apps have basically broken windows theming. Xp and 7 basically let you do whatever but metro is far more locked into the os, so you can't customize the look of them easily, and metro is fucking everywhere in windows 10. It sucks because early 2000s litestep themes were so damn snazzy and I wouldn't mind using them on my windows installation but 10 has just screwed up teeming entirely. It'd also probably why 10s themes are so much more basic than 7s

 

[Fake]

I still use Windows 7.

 

[Fuz]

The ignorance of the masses will bury us all.

 

[tylrdiablos]

Does it still require a TPM on the motherboard? That alone would set me back £45/$50USD.