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[mayham2199]

Feels like every other year I'm hearing about the one game that is going to save Xbox. Last year COD was going to save them and GP. Starfield was another year where they were supposed to be saved. No one game is going to save Xbox period.

 

[Fess]

How will Steam be on TVs elaborate.

console-like isn't a console.

There are levels to this that I think you're downplaying. Economies of scale in which are impossible to compete with where even a 50 dollar difference is significant.

Valve doesn't make enough games themselves nor do they have the experience in making hardware to become a serious competitor in that market. They don't have the relationships with retail.

Simply having access to multiplatform games isn't enough, see Microsoft on that.

PC gamers don't want consoles and they don't want a console-like experience just like they don't want a handheld like experience, hence why the Steam deck has sold so poorly.

And console gamers don't want to pay a premium to Valve for less than what they're getting now....

*How will Steam be on TVs?"
Same way consoles are on TVs. Through devices plugged into TVs, PC apps, cloud streaming devices and smart apps for cloud, remote play functionalities.

It's like you're in a bubble and refuse to see what's happening outside. Steam is going to be everywhere. Baby steps but it's happening. Go look at the logos Valve recently created where they have different variations of SteamOS and Steam powered and Steam included texts. They're doing what we thought Microsoft, and with more controversy possibly Sony, would be doing. Be everywhere. And they're doing it first.

Regarding console-like devices, I think you need to try a docked Steam Deck. It is very much just like a console. When sitting in the UI you would struggle to tell them apart. The difference is essentially just that you also have the option to exit that UI and go out to a Linux PC desktop. But you don't have to do that.
As said I used a Steam Deck that way at first and that was the reason I built a living room PC. Because it felt like a console. But I used a Windows PC and booted it into regular Steam's big picture mode instead of going with SteamOS, essentially because I wanted less trouble using Gamepass.

Finally, you talk about PC gamers being this way and console gamers being that way.
As you should know by now I was console-only. Until I wasn't anymore. The move to PC was as smooth as ever. Expensive, oh yes. But still smooth. The cost is the real problem, but when SteamOS goes wide in reach I think we'll see several cheaper smaller console-like devices pop up on the market.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

*How will Steam be on TVs?"
Same way consoles are on TVs. Through devices plugged into TVs, PC apps, cloud streaming devices and smart apps for cloud, remote play functionalities.

It's like you're in s bubble and refuse to see what's happening outside. Steam is going to be everywhere. Baby steps but it's happening. Go look at the logos Valve recently created where they have different variations of SteamOS and Steam powered and Steam included texts. They're doing what we thought Microsoft, and with more controversy possibly Sony, would be doing. Be everywhere. And they're doing it first.

Regarding console-like devices, I think you need to try a docked Steam Deck. It is very much just like a console. When sitting in the UI you would struggle to tell them apart. The difference is essentially just that you also have the option to exit that UI and go out to a Linux PC desktop. But you don't have to do that.
As said I used a Steam Deck that way at first and that was the reason I built a living room PC. Because it felt like a console. But I used a Windows PC and booted it into regular Steam's big picture mode instead of going with SteamOS, essentially because I wanted less trouble using Gamepass.

Finally, you talk about PC gamers being this way and console gamers being that way.
As you should know by now I was console-only. Until I wasn't anymore. The move to PC was as smooth as ever. Expensive, oh yes. But still smooth. The cost is the real problem, but when SteamOS goes wide in reach I think we'll see several cheaper smaller console-like devices pop up on the market.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I'll simply ask one question, do you realize how poorly the steam deck has sold?

 

[salva]

The facts are…

- PlayStation will have exclusive marketing rights

- PS5 will have a GTA VI bundle

- PS5 Pro will be the best place to play for a year or two

- PS5 version may likely run slightly better than Series X version

- Series S version will run like shit

This game won't boost Xbox, it's going to bury it

My guesstimate:
- PS5 Pro: 1440p native DRS with a solid 30FPS graphics mode. 1080p native DRS uncapped performance mode, mostly sits around ~40-50fps.
- PS5 and XSX: 1080p native DRS 30 FPS mode only, bad frame pacing and regularly dips
- XSS: 720p native DRS 30FPS mode only, shadows disabled and bad image quality.

Definitive edition releasing 2 years later on PC.

 

[Fess]

I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I'll simply ask one question, do you realize how poorly the steam deck has sold?

Handheld PC is a new device category and I realize that Steam Deck has slaughtered the competition…

And as said I don't expect console-like Steam devices to sell like the regular consoles, in the eyes of mainstream console gamers Steam will be seen as a new platform. But the platform will keep growing as always. And unless Sony and Microsoft start pulling games you'll see Steam devices of different types of categories all playing The Last of Us and Forza Horizon and other console games. And more growth will happen.

The big omission right now for Valve is mobile gaming and cloud streaming. They have nothing there besides a mobile app for your account and the possibility of playing Steam games through Geforce Now. But I think they'll go there as well eventually.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

in the eyes of mainstream console gamers Steam will be seen as a new platform

So, is it not?

 

[mckmas8808]

Are we SURE that GTA6 can run on Series S?

I am serious. The RAM issue can still happen.

Good question. Guess we'll see. It may need to run at 800p.