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[MatrixMan.EXE]

But the rumor said otherwise.

A lot of that rumour was purely made up though.

this is obviously a spin off as noted by the title idk why you're trying to say otherwise lol

Because it isnt. My posts alluding to this game have been ridiculed by some for months, and now that the game turns out to be real, the new spin is "but it's a spin off". It's the next major MH title. Deal with it.

 

[KTallguy]

For what it's worth, all the posts on the Japanese language youtube channel are people that sound very interested in playing the game and buying a PS4.

 

[Reneledarker]

The only bad result for this game is if it fails miserably and does damage to the brand. Other than that, the worst it can do is just fail on its own and Capcom goes back to what they were doing.

I've known about the game for a few months now and I've been going back and forth on how I think it will do. If, as I suspect, it charts kind of an ugly middle path where it's not high enough budget to catch attention, not westernized enough for western audiences, but too different for most fans, then that's not good. That means Capcom will get conservative with the series again.

On the other hand, I also suspect that the reason this doesn't look like it breaks the bank is because it's probably going to be the new baseline for the series' graphics, which means asset sharing for Switch (and mobile) games. A rising tide lifts all boats there.

I think a good scenario for this game is it will get aggressive marketing from Sony and Microsoft and quietly sell 500k or so on Steam. But if it's not a good game, even aside from traditionalist angst, then that's pretty unlikely.

We'll see! It's out relatively soon!

If the game fails it will probably be the end of any serious attempt to make MH succeed in the West, but MH in Japan is safe.

MH in the Switch is going to happen, what I would like to know is if the X series is going to be the new portable entry or are they continuing with the numbered entries and the X series.

 

[crinale]

Seriously, ya'll need to watch this version of the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-RAeDfOMM The editing and new bits show that it is very much a traditional monster hunter game. It adds on 4th gen mechanics (jumping and landing off cliffs, mounting, climbing and more)


For those who think this is a side game its not. It is being developed by the main series team (MH 1, Dos, Tri, and 4). It is the first 5th gen game.
Sources: Famitsu: https://www.famitsu.com/news/201706/13135277.html
Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W62j4xfq_yQ

The interview confirms it and my Japanese source has as well. Capcom's main MH website advertises it as the "Next Monster Hunter Game in the series". You can even look this up on the English version of the website, not even Generations was considered the "next" in the series. The fact that they are showing a simultaneous release for the first time as a feature just spells out main series release. That being said, feel free to verify.

Also, for those who don't know, there are only 2 monster hunter development teams creating games under the main series title. The "B" team creates MH Portable and X/XX series, and will likely continue making traditional MH games in this fashion for Nintendo consoles (this is a guess). The "Main" team has made the other, main numbered titles. This is considered a main game, and since the "B" team is focusing on XX Switch Ver. atm, the Main team is the only other dev team working on this. The Frontier and Online teams are totally separate from these two. There is no 5th team, this is basically Monster Hunter 5, created by the Main development team.

Last thing: Capcom CEO Ryuzo Tsujimoto doesn't personally come out for an interview to advertise his baby if it wasn't a main series game (check the youtube link).

Very well written. Worth quoting like top of every page.

 

[Renegade Frost]

A lot of that rumour was purely made up though.

Isnt most of it true?

He got the names right.

You are using DQXI as a benchmark for the Switch's ability to run this game as is. You have not seen DQXI running on the Switch.

And for someone who doesn't own a Switch, you're going in to bat for it hard in a thread for a game that has not been announced for the hardware.

People asked me to clarify, so I clarified. Thats all, this is more about how disappointing capcom is. They should push the graphics more.

Now everyone gets to enjoy this franchise. Thank you Capcom. This may not be in the vein of traditional MH titles but I'm open to change as long as it's good and done right.

please for all that is holy dont do your only last slice of market success dirty out of fear. actions taken out of fear are what got us DmC and cratered Lost Planet ( which I really enjoyed)

I still need to buy EX troopers too.

 

[jeremy1456]

If there are 2 main-line titles which are completely different at the same time, we can call both mainline. I don't have a problem with that.

Still, there's a reason for the branding change - the gameplay has been changed profoundely and it has been westernized quite a bit. We don't know yet how it plays out in reality (B-Roll footage doesn't tell us much without the HUD etc.).

My feeling is that fans of the handheld style of play will not necessarily enjoy MH:W much / be hyped about that announcement. I think that Capcom has plans for the fans in Japan and that means more material for handhelds and that means, by extension, a Switch version of something.

I highly doubt Capcom would announce XX for Switch and drop Monster Hunter support after it.

Plus the rumor, though it got a few things wrong, said MHP4 would be a Switch game. With the console games not being named '5' I imagine very much that MH5 will in fact be for Switch.

Would be kinda cool if they went back to MHP branding though.

 

[MetalGearZed]

Im just glad Capcom ain't making us PS/XB players deal with having that Lost Planet bullshit anymore

 

[Rncewind]

My feeling is that fans of the handheld style of play will not necessarily enjoy MH:W much / be hyped about that announcement.

Well im hyped and i play MH since PS2 days

 

[Gotdatmoney]

If there are 2 main-line titles which are completely different at the same time, we can call both mainline. I don't have a problem with that.

Still, there's a reason for the branding change - the gameplay has been changed profoundely and it has been westernized quite a bit. We don't know yet how it plays out in reality (B-Roll footage doesn't tell us much without the HUD etc.).

My feeling is that fans of the handheld style of play will not necessarily enjoy MH:W much / be hyped about that announcement. I think that Capcom has plans for the fans in Japan and that means more material for handhelds and that means, by extension, a Switch version of something.

MH:XX is a spin off. Whatever comes out after World's we'll have to wait and see obviously. But for all intents and purposes World is the next mainline game. Apart from that who knows what and where the next game comes out. If you told me the next MH would skip Switch I would have laughed but here we are so...

 

[ShockingAlberto]

If the game fails it will probably be the end of any serious attempt to make MH succeed in the West, but MH in Japan is safe.

MH in the Switch is going to happen, what I would like to know is if the X series is going to be the new portable entry or are they continuing with the numbered entries and the X series.

MH3, 3U, and 4G(U) were serious attempts at making MH succeed in the west.

Capcom also wants it to succeed in the west as much as it succeeds in Japan.

I would assume Capcom is salivating at the idea of having two parallel MH series, both successful. If Worlds succeeds, I bet Switch gets the Portable line, or whatever they end up calling it. If Worlds doesn't succeed, they just call the next Switch game MH5.

 

[Kyoufu]

I think a good scenario for this game is it will get aggressive marketing from Sony and Microsoft and quietly sell 500k or so on Steam. But if it's not a good game, even aside from traditionalist angst, then that's pretty unlikely.

We'll see! It's out relatively soon!

I think if Nioh can do really well in the west when it looks like an early PS3 title then I think this can do well here too provided it gets good coverage from all angles as well as actually being a good game, because word of mouth will make or break this in the long run.

Demos, betas and all that stuff would help.

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

This game is going to be amazing. Super excited!

 

[Renegade Frost]

MH:XX is a spin off. Whatever comes out after World's we'll have to wait and see obviously. But for all intents and purposes World is the next mainline game. Apart from that who knows what and where the next game comes out. If you told me the next MH would skip Switch I would have laughed but here we are so...

this reminds me of the shenanigans with Senran Kagura.

 

[Stripper13]

Texture wise? Definitely not, the textures arent that great and there are a LOT of them smooshed together. DQXI is spaced out sure, but the quality is the same.



We dont have the games resolution, water effects have been pretty advanced in games since 1999, the switch is no slouch when it comes to particle effects and resolution can always be reduced, if not the textures can usually take a hit in quality.

So again, show me the receipts, because despite its form factor, the switch aint some cheap tablet.

Umm. I don't know what to say.
I think there's a good chance that the footage shown today probably won't end up even looking that good on PS4 - so the Switch is definitely not achieving that.

That said, it's all speculation for now. I do think thay trailer looked very good visually and if you can't see that - and more importantly, think that it's comparable to Zelda or Arms - there's not much else to say.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I think if Nioh can do really well in the west when it looks like an early PS3 title then I think this can do well here too provided it gets good coverage from all angles as well as actually being a good game, because word of mouth will make or break this in the long run.

Demos, betas and all that stuff would help.

I don't think performance at the level of Nioh's 1 million WW sales are going to come close to satisfying Capcom when it comes to this game. They're probably hoping MH World does at least 6 million unit sales globally, if not more.

 

[MetalliCabombination]

Seriously, ya'll need to watch this version of the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-RAeDfOMM The editing and new bits show that it is very much a traditional monster hunter game. It adds on 4th gen mechanics (jumping and landing off cliffs, mounting, climbing and more)


For those who think this is a side game its not. It is being developed by the main series team (MH 1, Dos, Tri, and 4). It is the first 5th gen game.
Sources: Famitsu: https://www.famitsu.com/news/201706/13135277.html
Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W62j4xfq_yQ

The interview confirms it and my Japanese source has as well. Capcom's main MH website advertises it as the "Next Monster Hunter Game in the series". You can even look this up on the English version of the website, not even Generations was considered the "next" in the series. The fact that they are showing a simultaneous release for the first time as a feature just spells out main series release. That being said, feel free to verify.

Also, for those who don't know, there are only 2 monster hunter development teams creating games under the main series title. The "B" team creates MH Portable and X/XX series, and will likely continue making traditional MH games in this fashion for Nintendo consoles (this is a guess). The "Main" team has made the other, main numbered titles. This is considered a main game, and since the "B" team is focusing on XX Switch Ver. atm, the Main team is the only other dev team working on this. The Frontier and Online teams are totally separate from these two. There is no 5th team, this is basically Monster Hunter 5, created by the Main development team.

Last thing: Capcom CEO Ryuzo Tsujimoto doesn't personally come out for an interview to advertise his baby if it wasn't a main series game (check the youtube link).

Jurassic park vibes from that trailer lol
Except we can kill them back

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think if Nioh can do really well in the west when it looks like an early PS3 title then I think this can do well here too provided it gets good coverage from all angles as well as actually being a good game, because word of mouth will make or break this in the long run.

Demos, betas and all that stuff would help.

Meanwhile, DmC failed like a motherfucker despite high praise from the press because the fanbase didn't like it.

The market is capricious. It can succeed, doesn't mean it will.

A Ni-Oh level success would also be the death of the console series, for the record.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

I don't think Nioh's 1 million WW sales are going to come close to satisfying Capcom when it comes to this game. They're probably hoping MH World does at least 6 million unit sales globally, if not more.

I'm wondering if it can even hut that to be honest. Given the weak PS4 install base in Japan, they're going to have to heavily rely on the overseas sales.

 

[Vena]

I think if Nioh can do really well in the west when it looks like an early PS3 title then I think this can do well here too provided it gets good coverage from all angles as well as actually being a good game, because word of mouth will make or break this in the long run.

Demos, betas and all that stuff would help.

Nioh has sold worse than MH4U, so that's a poor bar to reference. That'd be a death sentence.

 

[Runner67]

If there are 2 main-line titles which are completely different at the same time, we can call both mainline. I don't have a problem with that.

Still, there's a reason for the branding change - the gameplay has been changed profoundely and it has been westernized quite a bit. We don't know yet how it plays out in reality (B-Roll footage doesn't tell us much without the HUD etc.).

My feeling is that fans of the handheld style of play will not necessarily enjoy MH:W much / be hyped about that announcement. I think that Capcom has plans for the fans in Japan and that means more material for handhelds and that means, by extension, a Switch version of something.

Trust me, if you watch the trailer closely, the gameplay hasn't really changed at all. It has just evolved another level as Gen 4 did to Gen 3. It still uses plenty of the gen 4 mechanics (climbing, jumping, mounting, etc.). They have just added more features to combat (stealth/camouflage, more intricate traps, different ways to mount/mount on different parts of the monsters, seamless area transition, and more). The combat, judging from a few swings of the greatsword, looks entirely the same. It has also been confirmed already that all 14 weapon types previously featured are in the game.

This is basically MH5. It is in fact being developed by the main series team.

 

[PantsuJo]

Holy shit, they did it.

Very curios for PC version and I hope for a good port.

 

[PuppetMaster]

God I am getting so hyped thinking of a new console MH game!



But please have just regular online coop. Not this monthly subscription thing MH3 had.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I think if Nioh can do really well in the west when it looks like an early PS3 title then I think this can do well here too provided it gets good coverage from all angles as well as actually being a good game, because word of mouth will make or break this in the long run.

Demos, betas and all that stuff would help.

The game has to do better than 4U in the West which suggests better than 1.5 million. Generations and Tri both shipped just under a million in the West. The bar for this game has to be pretty high. Nioh or Persona 5 or Nier numbers aren't anything to go crazy about for this franchise.

 

[Kinsei]

I think if Nioh can do really well in the west when it looks like an early PS3 title then I think this can do well here too provided it gets good coverage from all angles as well as actually being a good game, because word of mouth will make or break this in the long run.

Demos, betas and all that stuff would help.

I feel like Capcom would consider sales like Nioh to be a flop, at least compared to what MH usually sells. They want/need this thing to be a phenomenon.

 

[MetalliCabombination]

I'm wondering if it can even hut that to be honest. Given the weak PS4 install base in Japan, they're going to have to heavily rely on the overseas sales.

People can just buy ps4s ya know.
Splatoon has more pre orders in japan than the number of switch's sold.
Japan seems very particular about their favorite franchises. Even dq11 ps4 is doing better than 3ds in pre orders

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Never played Monster Hunter but it has Dino's and it's as close as we're gonna get to a potentially good Dino game so I'm in.

 

[Vena]

I don't think performance at the level of Nioh's 1 million WW sales are going to come close to satisfying Capcom when it comes to this game. They're probably hoping MH World does at least 6 million unit sales globally, if not more.

How would they hope to achieve this? If these are their expectations, they are out of their minds. Its going to struggle to even hit a million in Japan with the anemic presence of the PS4.

People can just buy ps4s ya know.
Splatoon has more pre orders in japan than the number of switch's sold.
Japan seems very particular about their favorite franchises. Even dq11 ps4 is doing better than 3ds in pre orders

What are you even talking about?

 

[Floody]

I'm wondering if it can even hut that to be honest. Given the weak PS4 install base in Japan, they're going to have to heavily rely on the overseas sales.

If Nier can do it, I think a Monster Hunter game can too.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I'm wondering if it can even hut that to be honest. Given the weak PS4 install base in Japan, they're going to have to heavily rely on the overseas sales.

I think it'll probably do around a million in Japan, so yeah, it's going to need to be a pretty big success globally. The game looks great though, so I'm really hoping it catches on in the west.

How would they hope to achieve this? If these are their expectations, they are out of their minds. Its going to struggle to even hit a million in Japan with the anemic presence of the PS4.

I have absolutely no idea lol

But if they're trying to grow the brand, they're going to want more than 4 million, which is what MH4U did internationally (I think?)

So, while 6 million may be higher than they're expecting, I can't imagine they'd be thrilled with anything less than 5 million.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Also, yes, this is basically the next main series game. It was in fact called MH5 at one point in development.

Though they changed it for a reason. They want to shield the series in case this ends up failing miserably.

 

[abstract alien]

Though I could be wildly wrong, it doesn't seem to have those stupid loading areas that have been hanging on since the portable era. Thank fucking goodness. I'll never buy it while that is still a thing. I'm glad the design of the world and gameplay has (hopefully) changed for a more fluid experience.

 

[Jigorath]

I think this game looks a little too jank to chase that Witcher/Horizon audience, but we'll see.

 

[Kalentan]

I do feel like I'm going insane. Been an avid MH player for years and when I saw this I thought it looked so cool but then I go onto /r/monsterhunter and they're all saying it looks terrible.

 

[yami4ct]

If Nier can do it, I think a Monster Hunter game can too.

Capcom is going to need this to do significantly better than Nier numbers and won't have massive Japanese support for it to fall back on.

 

[BitStyle]

Also, yes, this is basically the next main series game. It was in fact called MH5 at one point in development.

Though they changed it for a reason. They want to shield the series in case this ends up failing miserably.

Makes sense

 

[TatteredHat]

There's not enough to go on for me to really decide if this will be good. Given that they changed the name I'm expecting significant changes to combat mechanics, that may or may not be a good thing.

I must admit I've sorta grown tired of the stagnancy of the MH franchise over the years, so hopefully this will be refreshing.

 

[Renegade Frost]

Meanwhile, DmC failed like a motherfucker despite high praise from the press because the fanbase didn't like it.

The market is capricious. It can succeed, doesn't mean it will.

A Ni-Oh level success would also be the death of the console series, for the record.

Eh people have wanted HD monhun/

they'll buy it in america.

But I dont think people actually like monster hunter over here as much as they do in japan.

 

[neurosisxeno]

Just downgrade the visuals/resolution and there it should run on Switch.

Then you're compromising. Do it too much and people will complain and refuse to buy it. You could make that argument with just about anything too--Battlefront 2 could totally run on a PS2, just drop the resolution to standard def and you're good to go!

It demonstrates the possibility of a port. which is my point in the first place. Especially if you buy into the argument that DQXI looks better or at similar levels of quality to MH World does. Which then becomes the question, why isnt Capcom pushing the PS4? Its because they dont have the money to take such a risk yet.

I mean come on there are people still going on and on about how the Switch cant handle Frostbite even though the developers outright said that it could but they'd rather use something else because of the issues inherent to working with the engine. ( read the fifa thread)

I'm not talking about products we havent seen. I'm talking about DQXI and Monster Hunter World. Do a graphics comparison, make a video, call up digital foundry I dont care, I still dont see where there's some profound reason why people believe the switch is weaker than it actually is. We're talking about capcom here, they're not pushing the envelope in the AAA space because they lack the funds to do so.

I don't think MH:W looks the same level as DQXI to begin with, but that's a different argument. The problem with your comparison is you're still perpetuating the idea that the Switch version of DQXI is going to have parity with the PS4 version, but we have no way of knowing that. We know the PS4 version is the base for it, but not what resolution it's going to run at, frame rate, what's being cut or added, etc. A port is theoretically possible, but I don't see a port on the Switch running the same as the base version on PS4/X1, and wouldn't even be close to Pro/X1X/PC.

It's kinda overdone elsewhere as well. Like when swinging from the vines. One could see the next vine from space with that level of lightshow. There are subtler ways of indicating where one can jump next... -_-

People liked Blood Dragon right? LASER VINESSSSS

 

[watershed]

Alright, having taken a step back and watched other open world trailers and gameplay demos, MH World looks like a step down from other AAA efforts visually. When I first saw the trailer I was just in awe of a from the ground up HD MH game. But with some distance now, I don't think this game is gonna be a stunner for western audiences.

 

[Rncewind]

that MH5 had started development on Switch.

Also, yes, this is basically the next main series game. It was in fact called MH5 at one point in development.

Though they changed it for a reason. They want to shield the series in case this ends up failing miserably.

 

[Reneledarker]

MH3, 3U, and 4G(U) were serious attempts at making MH succeed in the west.

Capcom also wants it to succeed in the west as much as it succeeds in Japan.

I would assume Capcom is salivating at the idea of having two parallel MH series, both successful. If Worlds succeeds, I bet Switch gets the Portable line, or whatever they end up calling it. If Worlds doesn't succeed, they just call the next Switch game MH5.

I do not see those games as serious attempts because they were limited to one console, and it lacked the online infrastructure needed to make the game big in the West.

MH:W is addressing both factors, so I see it as the first real attempt form Capcom to make MH in the West succeed.

Also, the MH team needs to make better trailers to present the series. MH 4 one was horrible, and this one lacked to show what can make this game big in the West, great combat and online team work.

 

[Slime]

Also, yes, this is basically the next main series game. It was in fact called MH5 at one point in development.

Though they changed it for a reason. They want to shield the series in case this ends up failing miserably.

So it's sort of the anti-Peace Walker.

 

[Qurupeke]

MH3, 3U, and 4G(U) were serious attempts at making MH succeed in the west.

Capcom also wants it to succeed in the west as much as it succeeds in Japan.

I would assume Capcom is salivating at the idea of having two parallel MH series, both successful. If Worlds succeeds, I bet Switch gets the Portable line, or whatever they end up calling it. If Worlds doesn't succeed, they just call the next Switch game MH5.

Yeah, this. The thing is, I'm not sure what Capcom considers a success. I think it's a given that the game will pass 1-2 million sales on all the platforms, unless it's really bad received, but will this be enough for a series that does like 4-5 million? Not to mention they usually have some crazy expectations.

 

[crinale]

I highly doubt Capcom would announce XX for Switch and drop Monster Hunter support after it.

Plus the rumor, though it got a few things wrong, said MHP4 would be a Switch game. With the console games not being named '5' I imagine very much that MH5 will in fact be for Switch.

Would be kinda cool if they went back to MHP branding though.

It may be possible that Capcom have dropped the number, just like Western devs.
MH5P "equivalent" should show up on Switch I guess.

 

[Kyoufu]

Meanwhile, DmC failed like a motherfucker despite high praise from the press because the fanbase didn't like it.

The market is capricious. It can succeed, doesn't mean it will.

A Ni-Oh level success would also be the death of the console series, for the record.

I mean in terms of an ugly looking game selling well. MHW doesn't exactly look like Horizon, but it should have a lot more marketing muscle than Nioh did so hopefully they can translate that into stronger sales.

I've known about this project for 2 years and I've always said to myself that if they can reach Souls level of success globally then they'd be very happy with that.

 

[Renegade Frost]

If Nier can do it, I think a Monster Hunter game can too.

Nier sold less than the 3DS games

 

[yami4ct]

Eh people have wanted HD monhun/

they'll buy it in america.

But I dont think people actually like monster hunter over here as much as they do in japan.

I think it's a small number of people who don't like MonHun and want to come in and port beg for it every time really, and not all of those will buy it. They have a hope to capture a significant portion of the 3DS audience and maybe a bit beyond that, but I don't think it has any hope at all of hitting the sales they want.

 

[ramyeon]

Also, yes, this is basically the next main series game. It was in fact called MH5 at one point in development.

Though they changed it for a reason. They want to shield the series in case this ends up failing miserably.

Or they want it to be inviting to newcomers without the baggage that a numbered title brings?

It honestly doesn't look like as much has changed with the core gameplay as some of you are suggesting.

 

[SporeCrawler]

I highly doubt Capcom would announce XX for Switch and drop Monster Hunter support after it.

Plus the rumor, though it got a few things wrong, said MHP4 would be a Switch game. With the console games not being named '5' I imagine very much that MH5 will in fact be for Switch.

Would be kinda cool if they went back to MHP branding though.

they did it with MH3U who knows its capcom.

Or they want it to be inviting to newcomers without the baggage that a numbered title brings?

It honestly doesn't look like as much has changed with the core gameplay as some of you are suggesting.

then why not call it something alltogether. is monster hunter X (Generations) more or less inviting then Tri or 4?

 

[SolidusDave]

Not calling it MH5 might also be a strategic decision.
They can always release a classic MH game on Switch/3DS/Vita where most of their current jp fanbase is.

Being on PS4/XB allows them to potentially expose more people to MH. It's different demographics, too.
The last time they tried that was with the original MH.

Calling it MH5 might be off putting for anyone in that demographic. People might feel life they have to play the other 4 games and it's not for them. Several modern series have actually stopped the numbering. Especially when they want to emphasize that it's not just an iteration.