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it_wasn't_me
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Again, waisting your time. That proves nothing. My other posts provide greater context. Important word that one, CONTEXT. We were getting closer and closer to reveal and I was dead set on it being what I wanted it to be. And??? Sue me! And that post doesn't look like obvious speculation to you!? And you people say I'm the one with problems!
Time to start padding my ignore list, since you guys obviously can't do the same lol.
It's not a speculation in any way when you literally tried to convince people that X1X will have a ZEN CPU. Acting like people are dumb because you had a close conversation with Xbox people. You're awesome, man.
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LED Guy?
Banned
Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!
TLZ
Banned
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Wasn't the website created on December 19th?
Inflation is not a thing for electronics. 399 gets you whatever 399 is worth on average in the first three years in any generation. Inflation just leads to lower increases in performance if at all - because electronics come down faster in price than their parts would go up because of inflation. The value loss of electronics is closer to 20 % a year, while inflation is 1 to 2 % a year. Inflation will not have any impact on consoles.
bitbydeath
Member
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
One thing id like is being able to co-op from console and xcloud on one account
That's never going to happen for obvious reasons. You can ever only be logged in once. There's "Play as guest". Just use that on the console while you are playing on xCloud. That works today.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Oh, you missed the consensus before Reiner's tweet. It was a blasphemy to even think that PS5 will be more powerful because MS has more money than Sony and 2 SKU's strategy. More mooooooney, dude. Now, bunch of people because github leak with OLD info thinks the same. Even that PS5 won't have a hardware accelerated RT
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TLZ
Banned
But the timing......
Aceofspades
Banned
Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!
Said a guy who changed his prediction one hundred times who happened to claim to be someone important. Colbert is the biggest attention seeker on Era, lowlife.
Koopatrol
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Rim
Member
Isn't this guy 50?Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Well, with two SKUs Microsoft doesn't have to care about price at all for their high end SKU. They could make it 599 easy if they also have a 299 SKU. Sony doesn't do two SKUs as far as we know, so they are way more limited in what kind of performance (and yields) they are willing to accept. It's not hard to beat PS5 in performance. It's hard to beat it in performance at the same price, that's not going to happen. But the statement is: "We will not be out of position regarding price or performance". Doesn't say that the same SKU is matching/beating PS5 in both, one is beating PS5 in price, one in performance.
PropellerEar
Member
With e-arc do you need a hdmi2.1 receiver?
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Aceofspades
Banned
Rim
Member
I'm not knocking someone for his age. But he seems a bit too old for console wars lolYou can be 50 with a child mindset, normal there on Era
Mr. PlayStation
Member
People would be eating crow when the official specs are indeed RTX 2080 equivalent in terms of GPU!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I thought eARC shipped only with HDMI 2.1 gear... puzzled...
Felessan
Member
Inflation of baseline is much higher in electronics than in usual products, where most the process are pretty much set in stone in terms of costs and efficiency. R&D and production cost in electronics ramps-up greatly with each iteration.
Basically the die size that you can get for given total cost (r&d and wafer cost) is shrinking much faster than base inflation imply, due to technology matures and next process nodes are more and more expensive. As a result for "300 usd" you could get near the top chip 20 years ago, strong mid-range 10 years ago, and something close to entry-level now.
Yes, this entry level will be much more powerfull than top chip from 20 years ago, but relatively to current scale it's still entry level, and it's longevelity is very short.
farmerboy
Member
Shu and Boyes Sharing the Soon
Those sweet sweet motherfuckers.
Who new those two would tear MS a new one with a 22 sec video
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CuriousToe
Member
Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!
I haven't seen this before. This is pretty embarrassing.
That's the only thing I can't get my head around. If the ps5 is more powerful, then realistically their should be no lockheart. I can't see that being a very good business decision, having the low and middle spots being overshadowed by PS. It made way more sense having ps5 sandwiched in the middle.
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Deleted member 775630
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Maybe that's why Microsoft is waiting with releasing anything on Lockheart. They first need to know more about PS5 to see if it makes sense for them to even share the existence of it.
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Yeah that's a good point. Doubt we'll hear anything concrete on that till e3. MS have been very secretive with these dev kits.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Sadly all the evidence points towards lockheart being real.
I just wish it was a simple little £80 box with a controller that had a hdmi output and streams 1080p quality SX games to your tv, like a stadia only not wank.
That would be fantastic, and allow entry level people to play their content.
don’t like streaming? Don’t buy it, simple.
I just wish it was a simple little £80 box with a controller that had a hdmi output and streams 1080p quality SX games to your tv, like a stadia only not wank.
That would be fantastic, and allow entry level people to play their content.
don’t like streaming? Don’t buy it, simple.
DrDamn
Member
I think that if Lockhart works as a SKU then it works as a low price alternative to either XSX or PS5, I don't think small performance differences at the top end matter. Assuming XSX and PS5 will be comparable in both price and performance then Lockhart just needs to be a notably cheaper option.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Like Matt said (who we trust is right with PS5 being 10 % more powerful): Lockhart was a thing, until it wasn't, and then it wasn't, and now it is a thing again. So maybe something changed. Maybe they thought PS5 had them beat, so they walked back from Lockhart, then realized they are ahead of Sony and Lockhart came back.
Agnostic2020
Member
Yea but even this scenario tells us they are close gpu wise .
David Ricardo
Member
Matt never said PS5 was 10% more powerful. He said if he had to make an educated guess, he would guess Series X would end up being more powerful.
Agnostic2020
Member
Here is what micheal pachter said about ps5:
” that ps5 target spec looks like it’s gonna be a 1000$ box . God bless them let’s see if the can pull it off for 400$ cause that’s the right price “
Minute 11:30
Now question is that has he really seen the target specs or just basing it on rumors .
he also said Sony is skipping e3, 4 days before Sony confirmed it .
” that ps5 target spec looks like it’s gonna be a 1000$ box . God bless them let’s see if the can pull it off for 400$ cause that’s the right price “
Minute 11:30
Now question is that has he really seen the target specs or just basing it on rumors .
he also said Sony is skipping e3, 4 days before Sony confirmed it .
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Deleted member 775630
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Pachter likes to exaggerate, because that gives him attention. When he says stuff like this he is just comparing PS5 to how much it costs to build a similarly specced PC. RTX 2080, SSD, damn, this thing is expensive. He knows exactly that retail prices have nothing to do with manufacturing cost. When Nvidia puts R&D cost of a new architecture onto the new GPU they will sell maybe 2 million times it's different from Sony using a known architecture and selling it to 150 million people.
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PaintTinJr
Member
If Sony have been able to engineer themselves out of that hole then Microsoft will probably have to delay by 6months for XsX yields, and cancel lockhart/XsS.
Although, given Microsoft’s statement about price and power, they would probably have to acknowledge the mistake and refresh their strategy. Delaying the real XsX by 18months to release as XsX2 , a price cut to the current One X (£150) and a rebadging of lockhart to XsX(without ssd), and sell for £250. Or they'd need to look at something like a free SSD upgrade programme for all One Xs to make the One X, XsX and XsX2 remain a series that could do forward compatibility.
Moses85
Member
Once more, he proofs.... man, this new video make me speechless..
I just don’t get it. Why the hell this guy hasn’t escaped in all these years? He is so outdated and doesn’t have any clue what’s going on.
This part is enough proof: If they launch at a equal price, they have both the chance to win“
NO, if they launch at a equal price, Sony will win without any doubt.
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Agnostic2020
Member
true but this is not a prediction if he has seen the spec sheet. just like he wasnt wrong when he knew sony would skip e3 this year before anyone else and said it and everyone laughed him off saying there is no way sony would skip e3 in the year they launch PS5. and what do we know 5 days later sony announces they are skipping e3Yeah but it's Pachter so...
Agnostic2020
Member
he means in us as he is a US analyst and he is correct .XSX has a chance in US big time . world wide its a different scenario
OrionNebula
Member
bitbydeath
Member
The quote gets misinterpreted a lot. All he was saying is that they won’t repeat the same mistakes of having a weaker yet more expensive console.
OrionNebula
Member
To be fair, Xbox tore themselves a new one with that XBO reveal
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Mobile World Congress. Sony already cancelled their presentation there and will do it online
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Don't Ditch Your DualShock 4; It Will Be PlayStation 5 Compatible
Fresh speculation suggests the PlayStation 4's DualShock 4 will be compatible with Sony's upcoming next-generation PlayStation 5.
www.ccn.com
PaintTinJr
Member
Okay, I didn’t realise that. But even thinking about the quote in that context, what would be their strategy if XsS and XsX is expensive rdna2, and they shockingly don’t come first on performance?
As someone that worries about Sony going the way of Sega against such a financially sound rival, I thought it would be bad for Playstation if Sony don’t come first - nothing against MS or Xbox - but I’m now thinking it would be worse for Xbox, to make a good sales pitch. If they go cheap on rdna2 XsX they can’t meet demand while losing a fortune. Is there a good option for xbox if Sony have worked a small miracle with PS5 hardware?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Funny, from what I've seen it's the other way around
Bo_Hazem
Banned
The analyst noted PSN's $12.5 billion is "higher than Nintendo's total revenue for 2018." Sony's network also beat out Microsoft's gaming division last year, which generated $11.5 billion, according to Ahmad.
Only PSN made $12.5B in 2019, but the Playstation division:
At $18.72 billion overall, 2019 was the second-biggest year in revenue for PlayStation, including hardware, software, and all revenues earned through the division. That was down from 2018's $20.43 billion, but up from $16.77 billion in 2017.
Sony Made over $12 Billion Through PSN in 2019, its Second Biggest Year for Revenue - PlayStation LifeStyle
Sony made more than $12B in PSN revenue in 2019, including from sales of digital games and add-ons, as well as subscription service memberships.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
So Playstation is making around double what Xbox Division making with all its services and sales.
The companies as a whole:
Sony $78B
Microsoft $110B
Microsoft is bigger but less diverse, and benefiting from PC monopoly at the moment until Chrome OS matures + Harmony OS (Huawei) hit the market and share some of that space.
Sony gaming division is not the most profitable branch anyway, but they are top/high-end on most of their branches in terms of quality and seems to be seeking car making in the near future.
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