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[yurinka]

Don’t read too much into the PS4’s million day-one sales

A strong launch is nice, but it doesn’t necessarily imply long-term success.

arstechnica.com

Launch aligned or even in total sales PS4 broke many records for home console history. Selling consoles, selling games. Even with game subscriptions, in users, in revenue, in profit. In mostly everything. And if not it's a close 2nd being PS2 on top of it.

As an example, it had the best launch selling a million consoles on day one, 4.2M in a month and a half and ~7M in the first ~4 months and a half, until the end if their 1st fiscal year. And ~14M on its first full year.

Having Miles Morales, Demon's Souls, Cyberpunk, Sackboy, AC Vallhalla, CoD Cold War, Watchdogs, Godfall, Devil May Cry V Special Edition and so on, in addition to the dozen or so of great PS4 games included in the PS5 PS+ collection at launch and BC with boost mode, plus games coming for its first year like Ratchet & Clank, Horizon 2, Returnal, God of War 2 and maybe Gran Turismo 7 plus timed exclusives in the horizon like Final Fantasy VII Remake episode 2 and Final Fantasy XVI, do you think PS5 is going to outsell these PS4 numbers?

How do you think it compares to the launch lineup of Series X and their announced games or its first year? What big games are going to move Xbox Series X and Game Pass at launch and the during first year?

Do you think PS5 are going to continue their lead of selling the double or more units than Xbox? Do you think Series X or Game Pass is going to block that? If so, since the start or maybe will start to doing it on late 2022 or 2023, once MS starts releasing their non crossgen console exclusives?

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

PS5 will sell more than ps4 and outsell xbox considerably, bookmark it

 

[Captain Hero]

Tbh its like something we knew already but still we ask the same question every gen . I mean i think PS5 will go better than PS4 for sure and with that it will go beyond XSX/S and it will break records , not to mention that the PS5 launch titles is better than what PS4 did .

 

[Portugeezer]

PS4 was the perfect storm. I don't think the PS5 hype is as one sided, but they could still sell more than the PS4 if they ship enough for launch.

Great launch lineup too.

 

[Warnen]

PS4 did so well cause MS shit the bed, don’t expect that this time around. If anything Sony is looking the fool recently.

Lying Ryan is Don Mattrick 2.0

 

[Iced Arcade]

I expect Sony over all to lead WW and Xbox to lead in NA... But not a lead like this gen and wouldn't be shocked if roles completely reversed either.

 

[JLB]

I expect both PS5 AND Xbox to sell much more.

 

[Smoke6]

Man y’all over blow shit too much here man! It may be quite a few suckers out there to jump on MS bandwagon not realizing they’re not gonna see shit from any of these studios that were just acquired until the gen after this new one!

I’d rather “sell” games than rent them out until I can’t do it anymore!

 

[The Pleasure]

Sony is still going to dominate with Microsoft having good sales in the US and UK.

 

[kyoji]

PS4 did so well cause MS shit the bed, don’t expect that this time around. If anything Sony is looking the fool recently.

Lying Ryan is Don Mattrick 2.0

so why did playstation 1 and 2 do so well? what does ms have to do with the success of playstation? please explain this to me. some of you act like ryan is the only one with bull shit as to say stuff other execs have said and or done just has magically disappeared, amazing .

 

[ExKing]

I don't expect any sales records. Too expensive.

 

[Dthomp]

I expect Sony to win out in the end by a decent margin, just not this gens levels. Sony has shown every generation to bring it with it's first party lineup, much like Nintendo, and that's why they have been at the top. Regardless of what happens with 3rd party titles and other out of their hands control they will have the best or 2nd best behind Nintendo 1st party selection.

Hell, with how connected we all are they could bring back both Twisted Metal and Socom/MAG with a heavy online/GaaS model and both would likely be extremely successful in this environment we are in.

 

[Warnen]

so why did playstation 1 and 2 do so well? what does ms have to do with the success of playstation? please explain this to me. some of you act like ryan is the only one with bull shit as to say stuff other execs have said and or done just has magically disappeared, amazing .

 

[The Leaked Truths]

No one should be surprised when Sony sells more PlayStation Consoles than Microsoft sells XBox Consoles.

But everyone seems to forget that Microsoft publishes Game Pass and Games also on PC and Mobile Phones (xCloud) which gives Microsoft right from the start a potential Userbase of 150 Million PC's and 1.500.000 Trillion Mobile Phones Sorry, I don't know how many Android Mobile Phones are on this Planet

While Sony starts with a Userbase of 0 PlayStation 5's

It's not important for Microsoft where you play their games, if it's a PC, an XBox One, an XBox Series X or even on the Nintendo Switch, this doesn't matter as long as you play their games

And therefore Sony will never have the potential Userbase than Microsoft has even if they would sell 150 Million PlayStation 5's.

 

[ComputerBlue]

PS4 sold better than it should have because Microsoft fucked up so hard, they're doing better this go around so I can't see that happening again. They'll still sell more than Xbox, but it's not going to be an obliteration this time.

 

[Unknown?]

PS4 did so well cause MS shit the bed, don’t expect that this time around. If anything Sony is looking the fool recently.

Lying Ryan is Don Mattrick 2.0

You're out of touch. Most people don't even know who Ryan is and even then very few care just a small minority even on a hard-core site.

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

Microsoft not in the console war bs anymore. You have to change your metric

 

[Warnen]

You're out of touch. Most people don't even know who Ryan is and even then very few care just a small minority even on a hard-core site.

Im sure the We believe in Generations then 3 months later make almost everything cross gen thing will around for a long time lol.


I do agree most people don’t know who he is, but this is a video game forum.



if you want reason why MS will do better this gen for the normal folk out there, it’s game pass and a $300 console vs a $400 console and price hiked games.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don't expect any sales records. Too expensive.

November is their first shot at setting one.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Sony will continue their lead if they keep releasing good first party games.

A lot of the moves that MS is making will not benefit them in the short term but it could in the long term.

 

[Atrus]

Aren’t the top 5 consoles sold PS2, PS4, PS1, Wii and PS3?

I’m sure some sort of record or other will be broken as the PS5 joins the other Playstations but maybe not to the level of the PS2 on an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Dr.brain64]

Yes, they will dominate but not more than ps4.

 

[drganon]

I think the ps5 will probably end up selling more than the series x, but it wont be the blow out it was last gen. Microsoft appears to be actually trying this upcoming gen.

 

[Michael Hawk]

Unless the PS5 has some RROD-like design flaw, yes, I expect the console to break a lot of sales records. They've done a great job of not shitting the bed with the PS4's 'final' year, so confidence in the PS5 is extremely high.

 

[bender]

Even when Sony fucked up the most, they still managed 87+ million in sales. We are no where close to that level of dysfunction, yet.

 

[reinking]

Yes PS5 will continue to dominate but Xbox will be closer this gen. I believe many people are going to buy a PS5 and a Series S Game Pass box. Solid back up plan for MS if the Series X struggles against the PS5. MS buying studios helps but that will die down in a month or two until we start seeing actual games from those studios.

 

[ExKing]

November is their first shot at setting one.

Won't happen.

 

[SNG32]

I think Microsoft has a good shot taking them in the North American Market but beyond that no. The Playstation brand is too of a strong worldwide brand compared to Microsoft. I’ll eat my words if Microsoft does over 2 million in Japan this time around.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Won't happen.

I mean they could beat day one sales of the PS4. We just have to wait and see what happens.

 

[anthraticus]

Are consumers of other forms of media so obsessed with sales #s, like gamers seem to be ?

Seems like such an odd phenomenon to me.

 

[Balducci30]

Does anyone have an approximate idea of when ratchet and clank comes out?

 

[Balducci30]

Are consumers of other forms of media so obsessed with sales #s, like gamers seem to be ?

Seems like such an odd phenomenon to me.

You kinda get it with film but not nearly to this degree. I guess because it’s like the product you use to watch/play exclusive things through - I can’t think of an equivalent thing in other entertainment areas

 

[#Phonepunk#]

close competition. i do think most of MS's recent purchase's best days are behind them, Rare style. Sony is still churning out amazing shit. i mean, has anything Bethesda done even touched Bloodborne?

 

[truth411]

Because there's more demand for at home entertainment because of the pandemic. I think Sony will sale more PS5s than PS4, but also this gen will be more competitive, Its a both/and.
Everyone will sale more consoles/services including Nintendo.

 

[Celcius]

With everyone stuck at home due to covid, the thirst is real. At $400 for the digital edition with the ssd and good cpu this time around, it's going to sell gangbusters.

 

[bitbydeath]

The demands already showing with pre-orders. When more people discover games loading instantly I think we’re going to start tapping into new markets.

 

[Jtibh]

Im sure the We believe in Generations then 3 months later make almost everything cross gen thing will around for a long time lol.


I do agree most people don’t know who he is, but this is a video game forum.



if you want reason why MS will do better this gen for the normal folk out there, it’s game pass and a $300 console vs a $400 console and price hiked games.

You and catlady should get married.
Perfect match made in heaven

 

[M16]

by the end of the gen, after microsoft owns alot of the studios, sony will be forced to have gamepass to get these games, or they're done. they'll only have a niche first party console.

 

[Tesseract]

if the vr is good, i think ps5 will probably win

 

[Jtibh]

by the end of the gen, after microsoft owns alot of the studios, sony will be forced to have gamepass to get these games, or they're done. they'll only have a niche first party console.

I stand corrected.

You and catlady should get married.
Thats more like it.

 

[Vroadstar]

so why did playstation 1 and 2 do so well? what does ms have to do with the success of playstation? please explain this to me. some of you act like ryan is the only one with bull shit as to say stuff other execs have said and or done just has magically disappeared, amazing .

He was banned for console warring and just recently returned, change of ways is hard for a fanboy

 

[The_Mike]

I don't expect any sales records. Too expensive.

You do know they eventually gets cheaper right?

 

[apocaliptic]

Microsoft has the money, sony doesn't. I see them in big trouble in the coming years. Zenimax purchase by Microsoft is huge. Next year E3 will be huge for Microsoft with all the studios that they have. Sony need to act and act fast, they need to spend money on new aquisitions. They need to make a big effort to try and buy Square Enix.

 

[Stealth_Cobra]

Sony was an inch away for totally decimating Microsoft this gen, and while the Zenimax acquisition has managed to give potential buyers some possibly exclusive games in a couple of years that might be worth owning the console for, I really don't think it's enough to really make a dent on the PS marketshare. At the end of the day, don't think a timed exclusive fallout 5 and elder scrolls is enough to compete with tons of true exclusives not coming to any other platforms including pc.

There's already 115 Million PS4 users , more than twice as much as Xbox users. These people are invested in the ecosystem, own tons of games, and will probably go to PS5 unless Microsoft can find a way to make them jump ship... And frankly , don't think a subscription model and a couple bethesda games is enough to make people switch sides.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Having Miles Morales, Demon's Souls, Cyberpunk, Sackboy, AC Vallhalla, CoD Cold War, Watchdogs, Godfall, Devil May Cry V Special Edition and so on, in addition to the dozen or so of great PS4 games included in the PS5 PS+ collection at launch and BC with boost mode, plus games coming for its first year like Ratchet & Clank, Horizon 2, Returnal, God of War 2 and maybe Gran Turismo 7 plus timed exclusives in the horizon like Final Fantasy VII Remake episode 2 and Final Fantasy XVI, do you think PS5 is going to outsell these PS4 numbers?

Ah yes, having a list of PS4 games is a massive reason to buy a PS5 lol.

Sony was an inch away for totally decimating Microsoft this gen, and while the Zenimax acquisition has managed to give potential buyers some possibly exclusive games in a couple of years that might be worth owning the console for, I really don't think it's enough to really make a dent on the PS marketshare. At the end of the day, don't think a timed exclusive fallout 5 and elder scrolls is enough to compete with tons of true exclusives not coming to any other platforms including pc.

There's already 115 Million PS4 users , more than twice as much as Xbox users. These people are invested in the ecosystem, own tons of games, and will probably go to PS5 unless Microsoft can find a way to make them jump ship... And frankly , don't think a subscription model and a couple bethesda games is enough to make people switch sides.

You think MS bought Zenimax to still release all their games on playstation in the future? Oh you poor thing.

 

[THEAP99]

The PS-5 will be the worst selling playstation console

Xbox Series will sell less than the Xbox One

This will be the shortest and most forgettable generation

 

[Jtibh]

The PS-5 will be the worst selling playstation console

Xbox Series will sell less than the Xbox One

This will be the shortest and most forgettable generation

Point 3 is bang on

 

[Mhmmm 2077]

In the beginning of the generation - yes. After 1-2 years, the truly better console (hardware and software wise) will start selling more and more.

 

[ExKing]

You do know they eventually gets cheaper right?

That's not the point. The question is will the PS5 keep breaking records. I say no. I don't see a scenario where the PS5 sells more than the Switch or PS4 next gen.

First of all, Microsoft is much more competitive with great consoles from a specs or price prospective and Gamepass. Besides, even if Sony will have the edge early on, I expect the big MS acquisitions to start making an impsct in 2022/23. So sales could be closer than expected.

Secondly, the best seller in town is Nintendo and it's not even close. The Switch will probably sell 26 to 28 millions units this fiscal year. You can expect another 23 to 25 million next year with Breath of the Wild 2 and the Switch Pro. No way Sony can match those numbers.

Thirdly, I doubt Sony will be able to produce enough console to satisfy the hardcore gamers that will rush to the console the first 6 to 9 months. It took 9 months for the PS4 and Switch to reach 10 million units sold. I expect the PS5 in that ball park, but nothing record breaking.

Finally, with the predominance of Crossgen, there is not any urgency to move to next gen for casuals. Not only you can play Miles Morales ou Horizon 2 on PS4, but you don't need to pay the 10$ Next Gen tax.

 

[Bonfires Down]

The PS-5 will be the worst selling playstation console

Xbox Series will sell less than the Xbox One

This will be the shortest and most forgettable generation

This will be the longest generation ever. New SSDs and much more powerful CPUs will keep developers happy for a long time. The only problem might be the Series S holding things back at the tail end of the generation.