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Mat Piscatella: PS5 Pro Has Fallen Behind PS4 Pro Launch Aligned in the US
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bender
What time is it?
I played the Space Marine trial on PS5: Peasant Edition. Really nice looking game...super boring though.
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AGRacing
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I own one. Wouldn’t even be here if not for GTA6.
PSSR needs a system level upgrade override. Should have had it from day 1 since it was half baked to begin with. Tentpole feature. Afterthought implementation.
They should have had 4 or 5 flagship Pro games really pushing the RT for launch. Sony lately just gives the impression they’re firing out hardware to devs to just “do whatever” and hope for the best. Shitty PSSR? Who cares! Passes QA. Half assed Pro patch? Who cares / Pass QA.
More on that lack of direction…. some of the devs have royally screwed up the description of modes. I jumped back into a Demons Souls cloud save and “Pro” mode wasn’t even turned on. They clearly wanted to push the idea of one pro mode trying to give you the best of the usual 2 options. Tentpole feature. Afterthought implementation. Again.
Get someone with a hint of marketing talent into the process sooner. First impressions are important and in the case of both VR2 and the Pro Sony just seems to let the chips fall and hope it all works out them. On premium priced hardware it’s clearly the wrong strategy .
There were some cases at launch where some games got a patch out that looked or performed worse. How the hell does that happen?
The hardware itself fine. Price a little too high. Software and marketing execution…. C-
PSSR needs a system level upgrade override. Should have had it from day 1 since it was half baked to begin with. Tentpole feature. Afterthought implementation.
They should have had 4 or 5 flagship Pro games really pushing the RT for launch. Sony lately just gives the impression they’re firing out hardware to devs to just “do whatever” and hope for the best. Shitty PSSR? Who cares! Passes QA. Half assed Pro patch? Who cares / Pass QA.
More on that lack of direction…. some of the devs have royally screwed up the description of modes. I jumped back into a Demons Souls cloud save and “Pro” mode wasn’t even turned on. They clearly wanted to push the idea of one pro mode trying to give you the best of the usual 2 options. Tentpole feature. Afterthought implementation. Again.
Get someone with a hint of marketing talent into the process sooner. First impressions are important and in the case of both VR2 and the Pro Sony just seems to let the chips fall and hope it all works out them. On premium priced hardware it’s clearly the wrong strategy .
There were some cases at launch where some games got a patch out that looked or performed worse. How the hell does that happen?
The hardware itself fine. Price a little too high. Software and marketing execution…. C-
Topher
Identifies as young
Eh....it was a blurry mess when I played it PS5.
Boss Mog
Member
Don't forget that it won't have an OLED screen at launch either. They're gonna wait a few years and then charge $450 for it.Don't worry the switch 2 will be 400 dollars with an 8nm chip in it and people won't be making a peep about it being overpriced even thought the hardware sucks.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
ps5 way beeehind buuuuut now its more popular in china so they are the same as PS4
Gen.Grievous
Member
Afterthought implementation? Do you have any idea how upscaling like PSSR even works?
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Well shit. Im going to lose soo much sleep after reading this.
Lord Malachite
Member
Nothing unexpexted. The PS4 Pro was a more mass-market product, launching at the same price the vanilla PS4 had three years prior while the regular model fell in price to only $299.99. But it was still ultimately servicing only a niche. The large majority of gamers still elected to either stay with their OG PS4 or to just get the standard model when coming in, saving the $100 and putting it towards wanted games or accessories.
The PS5 Pro, with its much heftier price tag, is not even designed as a mass-market product, and certainly will never be treated as one by consumers. The $699.99 price point is just beyond where the mainstream consumer is at this juncture. And then you have to add at least another $79.99 for the disc drive if you want the option to play any physical PS4 or PS5 games and other optical media. Assuming, of course, you can find one for MSRP. Good luck.
As has been said before, the PS5 Pro is only relevant for professional gamers and streamers, videophiles, and people whose income and FOMO have the magical overlap to prompt a purchase. On the proverbial Venn diagram, there just isn't a large market for it, and Sony knows this. The system exists because given Xbox's all but complete hardware collapse, the high end console market has been completely ceded to PlayStation. There aren't a lot of gamers who want a machine like the PS5 Pro, but generally speaking, those that do have plenty of cash to spend. Getting them to buy a digital only console means Sony can potentially make more income on software. And at the very least, they can sell an add-on to those who want to preserve the physical option.
The PS5 Pro is also an attractive option for those who want a high end gaming platform but can't afford to buy a high end gaming PC. The PS5 Pro will easily give a good four years of being the most powerful console until the inevitable arrival of the PS6. Given the absurd pricing of video cards currently, the PS5 Pro is certainly a viable option if you want to be future proofed for awhile and don't have the thousands to shell out for the latest cards and a beefy PC to make use of them.
For most of the market, there's the regular PS5 and sales of it don't seem to be slowing much at all. We may be about 75 million PS5s in currently, but it still feels like the generaton is only really starting.
The PS5 Pro, with its much heftier price tag, is not even designed as a mass-market product, and certainly will never be treated as one by consumers. The $699.99 price point is just beyond where the mainstream consumer is at this juncture. And then you have to add at least another $79.99 for the disc drive if you want the option to play any physical PS4 or PS5 games and other optical media. Assuming, of course, you can find one for MSRP. Good luck.
As has been said before, the PS5 Pro is only relevant for professional gamers and streamers, videophiles, and people whose income and FOMO have the magical overlap to prompt a purchase. On the proverbial Venn diagram, there just isn't a large market for it, and Sony knows this. The system exists because given Xbox's all but complete hardware collapse, the high end console market has been completely ceded to PlayStation. There aren't a lot of gamers who want a machine like the PS5 Pro, but generally speaking, those that do have plenty of cash to spend. Getting them to buy a digital only console means Sony can potentially make more income on software. And at the very least, they can sell an add-on to those who want to preserve the physical option.
The PS5 Pro is also an attractive option for those who want a high end gaming platform but can't afford to buy a high end gaming PC. The PS5 Pro will easily give a good four years of being the most powerful console until the inevitable arrival of the PS6. Given the absurd pricing of video cards currently, the PS5 Pro is certainly a viable option if you want to be future proofed for awhile and don't have the thousands to shell out for the latest cards and a beefy PC to make use of them.
For most of the market, there's the regular PS5 and sales of it don't seem to be slowing much at all. We may be about 75 million PS5s in currently, but it still feels like the generaton is only really starting.
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Seomel
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Pro is solid piece of hardware, albeit expensive. Also this is just us, its crazy how people are looking for any small chance to shit on it. People forget how pro esentially replaced base model also price wise. PS5 base still holds its own and Pro is just premium model
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
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LavitzSlambert
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I got my PS5 Pro for $50 off (Best Buy price match), and even then I feel I spent too much. I've been hyper critical of the pricing since day 1. The only reason I even have one now is because I made some extra money recently and was going to buy a second PS5 anyway to play MHWilds with my SO. As an enthusiast, I went with the Pro to at least get some kind of benefit over just doubling the amount of PS5s I have in the house.
$100 off or disc drive included would be the point where I'd actually recommend the Pro over the base model.
The initial announcement presentation was a joke. The differences they showed were not well described, and the support has been slow to roll out. However, if they can demonstrate a difference more like FF7 Rebirth and MH Wilds, that will go a long way to justify the console. I also am a believer that all of the first party Sony games this second half of the generation are going to utilize the Pro much better than the first. Just like the PS4 Pro, I would expect a significantly downgraded experience for a lot of these later games on the base PS5.
The real question for most is do they bother with a PS5 Pro this late in the game, or just wait for PS6 which will certainly be another step up. Considering diminishing returns in computing power across the board and Microsoft's huge shift in strategy away from consoles (and Nintendo's refusal to compete directly), I am not hopeful anybody is coming to the rescue - Sony will have a high end console gaming monopoly and I don't think they will be rushing out the PS6. We'll also need to see how well the PS6 plays with PS4 and PS5 games, if BC will be a thing (and how well it's implemented), plus how/will the PS6 support physical discs? Who knows with Sony's PC strategy too. There's enough doubt here that I'm considering a PS5 Pro a potential endgame console for myself.
Topher
Identifies as young
Improved visuals and performance......."pointless"?
Makes sense, its grossly overpriced near double the price of the system while underpowered. Its a 45% compute upgrade for near double the price. Its main selling point pssr is in experimental stage which causes several unexpected iq issues and to top it off the support has been underwhelming to say the least. There hasn't been one real pro showcase so far and its embarrassing that sony didn't even give someone like cdproject or its first party some funding to make a worthwhile showcase to showoff the supposed greatly improved rt architecture to run the path tracing mode at optimized settings. It just feels like an arrogant cashgrab because sony feel like they have no competition in the console market(Nintendo is not competing in dedicated console tech directly).
Also before people go I'm a Sony hater, I own all the consoles since the ps1 and have been enjoying their products since the trinitron. They need to do better and I wish they got a kick up their ass.
Also before people go I'm a Sony hater, I own all the consoles since the ps1 and have been enjoying their products since the trinitron. They need to do better and I wish they got a kick up their ass.
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PeteBull
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I am ready to play my role as a drug dealer
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It’s only okay when PCs do it. And it was only okay when both did it last gen.
Topher
Identifies as young
Considering the state of gaming hardware right now, I'd say PS5 Pro is more on point than most options out there for folks actually wanting to upgrade their experience.
AGRacing
Member
Yes. And they should have allowed you to override an upgrade to the latest version of PSSR in hardware settings. Relying on software developers to patch it in isn’t working. That’s the implementation I’m speaking about. Inevitability some games are just going to be stuck with an early version that’s already been surpassed as of today.
This is happening on PC now for both FSR4 and DLSS.
Donald mac Ronald
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PS4 pro was an easy buy. Barely more expensive than the launch ps4 and was easy to sell the ps4 to buy a pro.
Ps5 pro is double the price and no disk drive. If it had a disk drive then maybe things would be different.
No BOM units for a mass produced unit such as a ps5 should the disk drive be anywhere near 100 dollars
Ps5 pro is double the price and no disk drive. If it had a disk drive then maybe things would be different.
No BOM units for a mass produced unit such as a ps5 should the disk drive be anywhere near 100 dollars
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TheUndeadGamer
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Where did this meme come from? I have always been curious. The girl is pretty
. I’m guessing Pro is not worth it at the asking price.
John Wick
Member
Well duh! The GPU is nearly double the console price. GPU wise it's probably four times the price.
SweetTooth
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Series S thread this way ---------------->
SweetTooth
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Bojji
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MSRP is like 750$ - that's unrealistic but many models are ~900$ vs 700$/800€ for Pro. Biggest problem is availability.
5070ti is 77% faster than 6800 (Pro has raw raster power of this GPU) so it's not exactly 2x pro power but it's close.
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BbMajor7th
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The main focus in the design appears to have been fidelity gains. These are already becoming less and less compelling. Sure, you might see the difference when the stills are blown up to 400% scale on a DF analysis video, but moment-to-moment, it's not enough, especially not at such a premium pricepoint.
Topher
Identifies as young
I don't need DF to tell me the difference. I see it myself. As I've said before, Pro has made console an option for me for a lot of games that I would have just played on PC instead.
BbMajor7th
Member
Sure, there are bound to be applicable use cases and some individuals who value the benefit above others, but I think, by and large, you're looking at a fairly uncompelling proposition for the price point. At the end of the day, DF wouldn't have to blow these things up to such a degree if the difference was immediate and self-evident.
It's just the old diminishing returns issue.
Also, if you've shelled out cash for a half-decent PC, why shell out another $800 just so you don't have to use it?
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EverydayBeast
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Neogaf is legally required to say something positive about the PS5, I say to myself it’s a fine console but doesn’t command a purchase for many.
Topher
Identifies as young
Sure, there are bound to be applicable use cases and some individuals who value the benefit above others, but I think, by and large, you're looking at a fairly uncompelling proposition for the price point. At the end of the day, DF wouldn't have to blow these things up to such a degree if the difference was immediate and self-evident.
It's just the old diminishing returns issue.
I agree on price. I've said from day one this thing should have been $599 with 1 TB. They used that extra SSD space to justify the hike but it doesn't fly especially when I can buy an extra terabyte myself for less. So I look at it both ways. Is it a significant improvement? Yes, I'd say so. Is it overpriced? Yeah....think that's true too. In the end, it is one of those situations where I think I paid too much but I'm cool with it. But that's going to to be different for everyone and I don't blame anyone for skipping Pro entirely.
existensmaximum
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Well the PS5 pro is around 3x the price of what I payed for the PS4 pro at launch in my country, including the disc drive. There were many very noticeable advantages for the PS4 pro compared to the base console but for the PS5..? Ehhh no. Zero urge for me.
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BbMajor7th
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It's a premium product and sure the price is steep. It'd be less of an issue if the gains were night and day though. For learned, long-time gamers who know what they're looking for and have specific expectations about what a game should look and perform like, the gains might be enough, but for most people, they'll be like:
Topher
Identifies as young
It's a premium product and sure the price is steep. It'd be less of an issue if the gains were night and day though. For learned, long-time gamers who know what they're looking for and have specific expectations about what a game should look and perform like, the gains might be enough, but for most people, they'll be like:
Agree there as well. Definitely a premium product for a smaller set of gamers. I know I can see the difference though so that's what matters to me.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
When you’re retired and your grandkids are mowing your lawn and your neighbors do a daily check in to make sure you’re not dead, it might be easy to spend some of that retirement money on a PS5 Pro. For us young folk that stream our games to Portals, it makes way less sense.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sony will NOT be able to afford to sell the PS6 for that much. If they try, it WILL fail! Point blank!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Topher
Identifies as young
Not my problem that you have to use Portal because your wife won't let you use the living room TV.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
That’s not why I use a Portal. Last night I had Battlestar Galactica on the TV and Death Stranding in my hands. And today, I will play more DS at work.
Topher
Identifies as young
FoxMcChief
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
It’s an ADHD thing. I can’t just be doing one thing at any given time, or else I feel like I’m wasting my time. I know, I’m crazy.