64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
We aren't talking about CPUs. That's still incredibly based though
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Then why would you make that kind of statement knowing that Nvidia have had plenty of issues in the past? I went from software rendering, to Voodoo Rush, to Voodoo 2, through a bunch of AMD and Nvidia cards and now have a 6900xt in my desktop and a GTX1650 in my laptop. I buy whatever gives me the best bang for my buck and which is within my price range (well nowadays that Voodoo Rush was my first lesson in doing your homework) if the 3080 had dropped in price like the 6900xt's did I would have one in my computer now. I honestly don't even get this whole team red team green bullshit, but I do know that neither Nvidia or AMD have a spotless track record.
Skifi28
Member
I have had two nvidia GPUs die on me, what do I win?
GHG
Gold Member
The 4080 is on average over 50% faster than the 3080:
https://www.techspot.com/review/2569-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080/
That is not a bad product when historical gen over gen increases in performance have been in the 30's percentage wise. As with the vast majority of their GPU's, it's a very good product, just poorly priced. Literally every reviewer also said this:
https://www.digitalfoundry.net/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-review-great-performance-poor-pricing
In comparison, despite their lofty claims prior to launch, the 7900 XTX is ~35% faster than the 6900 XT:
https://www.techspot.com/review/2588-amd-radeon-7900-xtx/
If Nvidia were producing poor products along with poor prices then they would quickly concede market share to AMD.
So yeh, glad to be be "smocking" something different to whatever you are.
Mirror mirror on the wall.
I'm capable of having this discussion with you and everyone else in this thread without needing to resort to calling anybody a "fanboy" in order to invalidate anyone else's points. It's a shame that you can't do the same. My full GPU history is documented across the time I've been posting on this forum, I'm more than happy to switch vendors when necessary in order to get a better product for my money. That is not the case now and AMD's GPU division is not deserving of any defence. They should do better, we would all benefit, nothing "unfortunate" about it.
SportsFan581
Member
//DEVIL//
Member
When you release a 4070ti card for the same performance of 3080/ 3090 for an official price of 800$ that doesn't exist (900$ cheapest) Which is the same price as 3080 that was released 2 years ago. Yeah that's a bad product and bad pricing.
And when a card that cost 1200 where it's supposed to cost 800/900 as it's a 2 years generational leal, makes the card a bad product because of it's pricing.
Pricing of the product is what makes it good or bad. But I am assuming you don't want to know that so you can type something here.
Even rx 580 priced at 50$ makes it an awesome product. Heh
SportsFan581
Member
I wouldn't blame the user no. It just can be a smart move to not jump on every update unless there is a pressing reason to do so (bad security bug, or a correction for an existing instability problem). If things are stable, I'm not one to jump on every BIOS or Driver update day one unless I need to for an upgrade or something like that.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I used to hate that decision, but I understand it now for space considerations and how many people actually need it.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Actually the moon is just a 3d projection designed to make us feel small.
GHG
Gold Member
Have a look at my comments regarding the 4070 Ti in the review thread here:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rtx-4070-ti-review-thread.1649251/
I have no problem calling the 4070 Ti a bad product, because it is - it does not provide the generation on generation increases we would typically expect from a XX70 ti card (I explained why in that thread). The only thing it's served to do is make another poor product in the 7900 XT look ok.
The rest of the cards you mentioned however are not bad products, they are all just poorly priced.
Pricing does not determine whether a product is good or bad, pricing affects the value of a product. There are plenty of examples across all industries of excellent products that are poorly priced (and thus are poor value). That said, value is still subjective, hence you will still have instances where people purchase products that are widely perceived as "poor value" and they will thoroughly enjoy them for what they are because the underlying product is of a high standard. This scenario is typical of luxury products.
Funny that you've never owned an AMD card but yet you're hellbent on defending them. Maybe your lack of actual hands on or ownership experience with their GPU's is clouding your judgement.
You continuing to make excuses for AMD has no standing. If it did the market would respond appropriately.
As I said in another thread recently, there are some people who are irrationally irate with Nvidia because of their pricing and little else. Meanwhile you have AMD releasing outright broken products and they get all the excuses (and benefit of the doubt) in the world just because of concerns about "but monopoly". It's laughable.
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SportsFan581
Member
I've never even tried to defend them.
I just said I think the recent stumbles (or perceived stumbles in this case since we don't know if this is a widespread issue or what the use case was for the GPU) are unfortunate for AMD since their reputation in GPUs is already poor. It is what it is, that's my opinion on it. LOL
I will defend the basic principle that even poor competition is better than no competition (as evidenced by the $100 price reduction on the AD104) and I guess you could say I defend the fact that the rx6000/7000 series are real products that users can game on and have enjoyable experiences with. I would like AMD and Intel to compete in a meaningful way, at least at the relevant price points, if saying that offends your sensibilities, so be it. Even if AMD and Intel only took 15% of the market each, things would be a lot healthier for consumers.
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Warzone is unoptimized trash so it makes sense.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I don't really care about what their market is. I vote with my wallet at the time of purchase, and the last two times its been AMD with the best value for my money. Whether that will continue will remain to be seen since as you said, Intel is on the come up. I won't be upgrading for another 12-24 months anyway, most likely. That should put all 3 chip makers 1-2 iterations ahead of where they are at now. Ideally prices across the board come down. I don't want to pay $650 for a 77700XT tier card. $350-$400 seems more reasonable for that class of performence.
GHG
Gold Member
So would everyone. But in order for that to happen they need to start adding value to the industry via technological innovation and by providing us with high quality products that at least meet or exceed the benchmarks set by the market leader. Until that happens they will continue to flounder and most people won't give a shit.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
New video update from the repair shop that launched all the panic.
TLDR:
- Drivers are not at fault because they don't act on the affected components
- All the damaged cards originally came from different users, bur had been bought from the internet and had no receipt. They now suspect all the malfunctioning cards came from the same reseller.
- They also suspect this reseller was a miner that didn't store or handle these cards properly, leading to hardware that was barely working when it got resold. Just like some people guessed correctly in this thread.
Now it's necessary to consider this topic's Hall of Fanboy Shame, consisted of the posts that mocked and attempted to generalize all of AMD's hardware and software releases, based on one video from one repair shop about 48 videocards.
TLDR:
- Drivers are not at fault because they don't act on the affected components
- All the damaged cards originally came from different users, bur had been bought from the internet and had no receipt. They now suspect all the malfunctioning cards came from the same reseller.
- They also suspect this reseller was a miner that didn't store or handle these cards properly, leading to hardware that was barely working when it got resold. Just like some people guessed correctly in this thread.
Now it's necessary to consider this topic's Hall of Fanboy Shame, consisted of the posts that mocked and attempted to generalize all of AMD's hardware and software releases, based on one video from one repair shop about 48 videocards.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
We have had this weird flip - for a long time genuine issues affecting thousands if not millions of people would get swept under the rug by tech companies, and now we have things like this or the Nvidia cable thing that get blown up out of all proportion.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Nvidia has had their share of shitty cards dying within weeks. Don't you worry.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I have it and seems like they stopped the updates lately. They used to be too frequent. Mine works fine so far.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Lets hope that it keeps working as long as needed : )
Bo_Hazem
Banned
No fucks given, heading to macOS next.
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Neogaf overreacts about something that really was nothing, based on a single source which was never reliable in the first place...
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I see that we buying oil from you helps
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I see that we buying oil from you helps
More like wishful plans for the future.
The new Mac Mini M2 Pro sounds great.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
True that, hopefully they will serve you well : )More like wishful plans for the future.
The new Mac Mini Pro sounds great.
AGRacing
Member
So that's really going to be it eh? There is also like 200 YouTube videos on the topic as well. So ridiculous.Neogaf overreacts about something that really was nothing, based on a single source which was never reliable in the first place...
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
I had a good experience with the rx 580 except for the occasional "voltage settings have been reset" errors, but there is something that my 23 years of pc experience has taught me; AMD/ATI cards overheat and cause driver problems(crash, freeze, compatibility issues etc). I keep getting AMD cards from time to time as it is usually cheaper but I always have a concern while using it. Intel needs to take this GPU business seriously and give Nvidia the competition it deserves.
1 hour later... Umm... I guess I'm a little late? The truth has finally come out! I knew Amd would not produce faulty cards! I've always liked Amd cards and drivers! Go Red team!
Seriously though, I've had problems with Amd cards in general. This mystery may have been cleared, but my ideas haven't changed that much.
1 hour later... Umm... I guess I'm a little late? The truth has finally come out! I knew Amd would not produce faulty cards! I've always liked Amd cards and drivers! Go Red team!
Seriously though, I've had problems with Amd cards in general. This mystery may have been cleared, but my ideas haven't changed that much.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
well i guess we were dumb for thinking too rashly
if this is the fault of anyone it's miners for fucking us over in 2021.
if this is the fault of anyone it's miners for fucking us over in 2021.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah that's the problem, this stuff generates clicks so everyone makes their own video about the issue and it gets signal boosted to hell and back but they all reference the same singular source.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
And for all those that were praising nvidia:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jacketless-jensen-promised-inexpensive-gpus-back-in-2011
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/jacketless-jensen-promised-inexpensive-gpus-back-in-2011
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Well,
Either you've OCed your cards or installed it incorrectly
OR
You wasted your chance to win the lottery by receiving two faulty nvidia cards.