LectureMaster
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Curious about which TV you bought.
To OLED, or not to OLED
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IlGialloMondadori
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As an lg lover with a c8, and fam have c3, I'm incredibly glad I got the 65 s90c for the second tv. It's just better imo.
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Kamina
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Bogroll
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I was going to get a Sony Bravia 7 so I got no worries of burn in., but the last few years been tempted by Sony A80J and A80K. So I went to local store and my eyes and heart were drawn to the Sony A80L. I thought sod it I'm having what I really want, so I got a A80L with 5 years warranty. I don't like my tv that bright so OLED if great for me.
30fps games look a bit ropey though, but I've only had a quick mess about with it.
30fps games look a bit ropey though, but I've only had a quick mess about with it.
//DEVIL//
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I will stick to getting the Bravia 7. I do not want to worry about OCD kicking in and I do want a bright TV.
hououinkyouma00
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A coworker offered me $700 for my LG C255 which I'm tempted by as I would really like to get a 65 that's brighter. Our living room is quite bright and I like light so I rarely draw the curtains closed during the day. That and the 30fps games I play (I still play a lot of older games including 7th gen) get to me on the OLED.
I know people are iffy on Hisense but my last one was great and the U8N gets great reviews and would only be like $200 more. The 100% sustained window is like 8x as bright.
I know people are iffy on Hisense but my last one was great and the U8N gets great reviews and would only be like $200 more. The 100% sustained window is like 8x as bright.
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Shake Your Rump
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SDR is generally calibrated to around 120 nits. Reference level is 100, but 120-150 is "normal". The LG C1 set to 50% backlight is approximately 120nits. I'm sure most people just leave it at the default of 90 and wonder why they are blinded.
(I calibrate TVs as a hobby)
Shake Your Rump
Banned
I wish manufacturers would actually care about this. Since OLED pixels have almost zero response time and pixel blur, the image is held longer and is sharper than with LCD. This means low frame rates can look very choppy if the game doesn't implement motion blur. 120/40hz modes help quite a bit, but developers seem incredibly hesitant to support this.
I've probably shared this story already, but when I first bought my LG C9, I moved my Sony 900E (LED) to the basement for secondary gaming. Every time I used that TV, it grated on me. Eventually, I couldn't take it anymore and replaced it with an LG C1.
Buying an OLED in 2020 was like a dream come true after them being so expensive for such a long time. I never would have guessed that two years later, I'd be buying a superior OLED for half the price, just as a secondary TV.
Xtib81
Member
Not sure about that. Mini led is catching up and Oled is far from being a perfect tech.
Mercador
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My main gaming TV in the basement is a Vizio from 2018, I almost hope it breaks out so I could get another OLED. Our old Samsung died last winter and went for LG C3. Since then, I moonlight the games to this TV, even it's smaller, the picture quality is just better.
Deputy Moonman
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I have a 75" TCL 6 series from 2018. It's an LED with what I'd consider fantastic image quality for its time. My next tv (if the current tv ever dies) will be a bigger tv and I will be going OLED. OLED image quality is exceptional with brightness levels improving each year. But an even bigger consideration is the weight of the tv. An 85+ inch LED is an extremely heavy tv. I think my current tv wall mount would hold a heavier tv but I want OLED for its lighter weight. An 85 inch OLED would weigh similarly or potentially lighter than my current 75" LED.
EDIT: I will say that whenever I see tv's like the Hisense U8K selling for $2,999 for a 100" screen size, it's certainly tempting to just go with the biggest tv screen. I buy tvs less for gaming and more for movie watching. So, the most important stat for me personally is the tv's HDR ability. The U8K has an HDR score of 8.8 on rtings com, which is insane for an LED tv, let alone a more affordable brand like Hisense.
EDIT: I will say that whenever I see tv's like the Hisense U8K selling for $2,999 for a 100" screen size, it's certainly tempting to just go with the biggest tv screen. I buy tvs less for gaming and more for movie watching. So, the most important stat for me personally is the tv's HDR ability. The U8K has an HDR score of 8.8 on rtings com, which is insane for an LED tv, let alone a more affordable brand like Hisense.
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I've seen the LG G3 go as low as $1850 for the 65in and $2300ish for the the 77in recently. Those are the LG to get IMO.
I got the 77in S90 QD-OLED recently and i love it. The deciding factor for me going for the Samsung is the screen uniformity. It's perfectly clean, no dirty screen effect or vertical lines at all. My last TV had that and i can't stand it.
I got the 77in S90 QD-OLED recently and i love it. The deciding factor for me going for the Samsung is the screen uniformity. It's perfectly clean, no dirty screen effect or vertical lines at all. My last TV had that and i can't stand it.
RCU005
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I got my first OLED today. It's the LG G3 55"
My X950g broke down last week and wasn't able to save it. I didn't have a lot of budget to buy a new TV since it was unplanned. I tried really hard to get the G4 but it was out of my reach.
I was considering between Bravia 8, LG G3 or LG C4. (They were all on discount). I also considered Bravia 7, but it was somehow more expensive.
Since I don't know a lot about OLED TV's and I couldn't do much research, I would love if someone here could be kind to give me some input about my choice. Thanks!
My X950g broke down last week and wasn't able to save it. I didn't have a lot of budget to buy a new TV since it was unplanned. I tried really hard to get the G4 but it was out of my reach.
I was considering between Bravia 8, LG G3 or LG C4. (They were all on discount). I also considered Bravia 7, but it was somehow more expensive.
Since I don't know a lot about OLED TV's and I couldn't do much research, I would love if someone here could be kind to give me some input about my choice. Thanks!
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LavitzSlambert
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I'll validate you, you made a good call. For the price and features, LG is the way to go. A deal on last gen G series is prob the best way to get a brighter panel as well, though I'm sure you would have been happy with the C series either way. Personally, I would love to go with a Sony OLED but they charge waaaay too much. My C1 is fantastic - if it were not for OLED degradation I would plan to enjoy it forever.
RCU005
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Thank you for replying!
This is my first LG ever. I've always had Sony TVs. The only Sony OLED that was in stock was the Bravia 8, but from what I read from my quick, little research I did, was that the G3 was better in some aspects.
I just hope I get a good experience from it. I feel like I'll miss Sony, but it's good to try new things, though.
LavitzSlambert
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No problem. I was in this position a few years ago and it really helped to hear from other gaming enthusiasts rather than just rely on Rtings reviews and rando testimonials.
The only real downsides I've noticed about OLED tech right now is black crush (mostly determined by the HDR implementation of a game or movie), and judder during panning shots at low framerates. Sony does a good job mitigating those downsides with its processing - however that is mostly for movies/TV, since the hit you'd take with input lag is too great. For gaming Sony and LG are very comparable. Supposedly Sony does a much better job upscaling, but I'm not sure to what extent that matters to you unless you are also using this for retro gaming or watching old DVDs.
If all that sounds pretty minor to you, or not worth the difference in the cost, I would say you are going to sleep soundly. There are some strange instances where their Bravia OLEDs are still somehow not as compatible with the PS5 as LG. Baffling I know, but so is Sony's stubbornness with skimping on HDMI 2.1 ports (only 2, the others are 2.0 for no good reason), all while charging hundreds more than LG.
Enjoy your set dude. Hope you christened it with something awesome!
Shake Your Rump
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As someone with both LG and Sony OLED, my take is that LG is overall better for gaming, but Sony's image quality is noticeably superior. Sony's QD-OLED makes games look new with the richness of the colours, and the scaler works wonders for the Nintendo Switch. However, the LG having native g-sync, amd premium, four HDMI ports, and HGIG makes it a gaming powerhouse. In particular, connect your PC, use VRR and DLSS to run your games at 4K, and you have the best PC display for relatively low cost.
IlGialloMondadori
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Mini led has a long way to go to be worth it for me. Ghosting, blooming all rubbish. Lg has a crushing black issue you can compensate for somewhat, Samsung qoled deals with it far better.
I've got an lg, and a Samsung. Haven't used the Sony before. Imo Samsung is quite a bit better than LG as well. Image quality better, brighter, better gaming mode.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Decent TV, was considering one of these myself but I only do 10-15 hours gaming a week these days. I still may get one (or a X90L) next year when they come down in price more as the tv my Son uses is sort on the way out. There is no way I would get my Son a Oled the amount of gaming he does.
Bojji
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I had PS Vita in 2011 and Nokia N86 in 2010. I was blown away (and of course almost all my phones had OLED screens since then). Took me 11 years to get big screen for my home...
Even now going into tech store I know which screens are OLED just by looking at them from the angle, image on VA turns to shit (IPS is not much better) while OLED remains perfect.
Hudo
Member
Also, Switch OLED was unironically a pretty good upgrade, I have to say. And I was initially one of the guys laughing at Nintendo for "just" replacing the screen (and also the battery) and sell it as a new model.
Until I held one in my hands. Sold my OG one and bought an OLED. I do hope the Switch 2 has an OLED by default.
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CherryFalls
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It's crazy that people are still talking about burn in and brightness with OLEDS
Rtings long term torture test showed that LCD panels actually performed WORSE than OLED when it comes to screen degradation., probably due to the many built in protections that OLED comes with.
www.rtings.com
Rtings long term torture test showed that LCD panels actually performed WORSE than OLED when it comes to screen degradation., probably due to the many built in protections that OLED comes with.
Longevity Burn-In Test: Updates And Results From 100 TVs
Our accelerated longevity test has been running for almost two years now, and from full-on panel failures to image retention and LCD degradation, we've already encountered some interesting results.
www.rtings.com
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//DEVIL//
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Yeah if i get my son an oled TV it will die in no time. I do not want to say he is careless but even if i try to explain to a 9 years old what he should do and don't with an oled, i do not think he will care that much lol
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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The television OLED LG C1 and console PS5 Slim:
The television QLED Toshiba 43QA7D63DG 43" and console PS5 Slim:
The television QLED Toshiba 43QA7D63DG 43" and console PS5 Slim:
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rogr rogr
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Bought a Samsung s90c this week and I'm running some "tests" to understand what It can deliver. And WTH!...it's not compatible wth DTS audio If I use a USB external storage as the source.
That's a shame, since USB provided a much better image quality compared to my notebook running the same video (4k remux) through HDMI. I might return It because of this.
That's a shame, since USB provided a much better image quality compared to my notebook running the same video (4k remux) through HDMI. I might return It because of this.
Agnyz
Neo Member
I'm not sure, but I think newer LG OLEDS (C3, G3 and up) support DTS tracks in USB files.
DirtyBast8rd
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Replaced my 55 C1 Oled with the 55 G4. C1 is still a great TV, but the G4 naturally is better. Higher color volume is certainly noticeable with gaming. I do hope in 3 to 4 years time microled or something else in TV tech land is on the market.
You are probably used to over saturated colors. Correct settings are:
color - 50 (55 for game mode)
color space - auto
all color enchantments - off
White Balance - Warm 50
I used my B2 for months with oversaturated colors. When i finally wanted accuracy it took me some time to adjust and now I don't want anything other than that.
You can try to set "native" color space, in non HDR mode it will use full gamut of tv vs correct 8 bit on auto (it will be oversaturated but it may look better to your eyes).
I love how we all used tv and monitors capable of (max) 300 nits for decades and now OLED capable of 1000 or 1500 nits peak brightness is "dim".
Sun didn't become more bright since early 2000 and somehow we were able to use old dim LCDs back then. Weird shit, it's almost like companies selling high nit panels (that use tech sites and youtubers to market them) changed people minds about it...
Something was wrong with the TV. I upgraded to a 77" model and this one looks outstanding. I have been an OLED user for more than 7 years at this point and i knew as soon as i started using the TV that something was wrong with it. Thanks for the replies.
Xtib81
Member
Considering that an inch is still 1000$, we won't see microled anytime soon. I'd even recommend to forget about this tech ^^
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CherryFalls
Banned
G4 is a masterpiece of engineering
MacReady13
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Have had my S90D now for around a month and god damn, it is a looker! Playing Still Wakes The Deep on PS5 and holy SHIT, What a difference on the OLED from my Sony LCD! The dark areas are actually black on this tv! Looks sensational! Highly recommend it to anyone thing about picking one up. Just cannot go back to LCD TV's after this!
Pharaoh 117
Member
Yeah, unless there's a breakthrough in the next few years the MicroLED dream is dead.
Shake Your Rump
Banned
I am not a fan of the G series now being the standard model to get for gaming. The C series used to be top tier, with G having the same panel, but extravagent physical design. Now, the C series feels second class just as it was getting really affordable. LG has us bumped back up to the expensive tier.
Xtib81
Member
Indeed. I have an E9 (the ancestor of the G series) and the only difference is the design and the sound bar built-in. The C series is now more affordable though.
Corporal.Hicks
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I'm planning to upgrade my monitor and there's no way I'll ever buy an LCD again.
I also never want a matte screen again. I was shocked how much worse the picture (colours, blacks, contrast) looked on my 2022 nano-ips matte monitor (gigabyte M27QP) compared to my old 2006 ips glossy monitor (nec 20 WGX2 Pro)
RTIGNS shows how matte screen destroy constrast and desaturate colors and this is exactly what I noticed when I started using my current matte screen monitor.
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I also never want a matte screen again. I was shocked how much worse the picture (colours, blacks, contrast) looked on my 2022 nano-ips matte monitor (gigabyte M27QP) compared to my old 2006 ips glossy monitor (nec 20 WGX2 Pro)
RTIGNS shows how matte screen destroy constrast and desaturate colors and this is exactly what I noticed when I started using my current matte screen monitor.
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Great Auk
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I'm planning to upgrade my monitor and there's no way I'll ever buy an LCD again.
I also never want a matte screen again. I was shocked how much worse the picture (colours, blacks, contrast) looked on my 2022 nano-ips matte monitor (gigabyte M27QP) compared to my old 2006 ips glossy monitor (nec 20 WGX2 Pro)
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The bottom comparison is why I would only buy a Macbook for a laptop going forward (I don't game on laptops for the record.) The difference between matte and glossy is astounding. And there used to be more manufacturers offering glossy but now it's like only Apple offers it. Same with monitors. My holy grail for monitors is a 3:2 glossy panel from a reputable brand. I can't find one!
And there is a reason OLEDs are glossy, matte would kill the contrast. It kills it on LCD and OLED.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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There is not a single Mini LED TV I would consider replacing my OLED with.
MicroLED? Now you may be talking - but we're 10 years away from seeing this in mainstream TVs.
ResilientBanana
Member
eh, I fear burn-in.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
2011 OLED and still no burn-in. Of course this is a professional monitor, so it probably used some better materials etc., but it's still interesting that OLED panels can last that long.
I'm planning to buy a QD-OLED (probably Asus PG27UCDM 4K 240Hz) and I'm not worried at all about burn-in, because even third-generation QD OLEDs were reliable even when only used for editing, and the fourth-generation panel offers twice the durability.
Gen 4 Samsung QD-OLED 2025 Panels and Improvements - TFTCentral
A complete look at Samsung Display’s latest QD-OLED updates and news for 2025 including new technologies, improvements and specs
tftcentral.co.uk
Celcius
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I used to feel the same way but my iPhone 12 Pro is coming up on 5 years old and I use it A LOT and it still doesn't have burn in. Neither does my OLED switch and I've only ever used it in handheld mode with like max brightness.
Toots
Member
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous pricing,
Or to take arms against lazy 4k/60fps remakes of games from yesteryear
And by opposing end them. To play retro video games—to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache of the thousand bad iq frames
That eyes are heirs to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd.
The slings and arrows of outrageous pricing,
Or to take arms against lazy 4k/60fps remakes of games from yesteryear
And by opposing end them. To play retro video games—to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache of the thousand bad iq frames
That eyes are heirs to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd.
Yerd
Member
I have not upgraded my TV to OLED yet. My gaming monitor is OLED, but I have been staying on the LCD tv mostly because I don't want to burn it in. I frequently leave the thing on with a static image for hours at a time. I'm confident my LCD can handle it, and even if it can't, this thing cost me like $900 in 2018. If it dies or finally exhibits some burn-in, I'll finally upgrade it.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
LCD's have their own problems. My old sony bravia 55 X9005B has no longer uniform brightness / colors due to uneven backlight use over the years. What's more LCD's can have image retention problems.
'Image Retention' that looks like burn-in on brand new IPS Monitor
'Image Retention' that looks like burn-in on brand new IPS Monitor
forum.arcadecontrols.com
IPS panel
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Can Static Images Get Burned Into a Computer LCD Display?
This article discusses image persistence or burn-in on LCD monitors and ways to prevent or correct the issue.
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