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[TintoConCasera]

What? What part of the game is woke?

I’m completely lost what “woke” even means anymore.

Game's story seems to be about diversity and tolerance and some people don't gel too well with those concepts.

Calling it woke because of that is going waaaay too far imo, although I guess it can depend on how those themes are handled. Knowing Atlus and coming from SMT V, I bet they'll be handled properly tho.

 

[Topher]

It's behind 10 years old game, some weird flex

 

[Danjin44]

Game's story seems to be about diversity and tolerance and some people don't gel too well with those concepts.

Calling it woke because of that is going waaaay too far imo, although I guess it can depend on how those themes are handled. Knowing Atlus and coming from SMT V, I bet they'll be handled properly tho.

Lot of Japanese media tackle politics.

Have you watched this

This show is tackles issues in Japanese work place and Japanese politics but it doesn't make the show "woke"

I'm not saying "woke" culture doesn't exist, when you watch modern Disney and Marvel movies its pretty obvious but calling every little thing "woke" not helping the cause....in fact it will make it worse.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Lot of Japanese media tackle politics.

Have you watched this

This show is tackles issues in Japanese work place and Japanese politics but it doesn't make the show "woke"

Heh, no I haven't watched it but I've got it recommended a few times. Probably should give it a shot.

I'm not saying "woke" culture doesn't exist, when you modern Disney and Marvel movies its pretty obvious but calling every little thing "woke" not helping the cause....in fact it will make it worse.

Agree 100%.

 

[HRK69]

It will be forgotten in a month with total sales numbering 1 million.

Let’s get serious here.

 

[snapdragon]

What? What part of the game is woke?

I’m completely lost what “woke” even means anymore.

Translators often have an agenda but I highly doubt the game is actually pushing any real political agenda

 

[Topher]

It will be forgotten in a month with total sales numbering 1 million.

Let’s get serious here.

You might be surprised. Persona 5 received similar acclaim and eventually sold around 4 million, iirc. What is it about Metaphor that makes you think that this game is going to be forgotten in a month? More than likely the game will receive a few end of year awards.

 

[Topher]

It's especially funny when a lot of these people are crying on Steam and Twitter about how Metaphor is woke and Atlus fell to the woke agenda lol

I'd love to see folks point to specific examples in the game of what they believe to be "woke".

 

[Muddy]

You might be surprised. Persona 5 received similar acclaim and eventually sold around 4 million, iirc. What is it about Metaphor that makes you think that this game is going to be forgotten in a month? More than likely the game will receive a few end of year awards.

4 million on all platforms?

I was talking about PC only.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

4 million on all platforms?

I was talking about PC only.

PC is going to clear 1 million easily. Cry harder.
It will be hit, but from not being a ML Persona title and being tied to MS Marketing, it won't hinder it too much.

 

[MMaRsu]

Letsgoooo one more fucking day

 

[ap_puff]

Game's story seems to be about diversity and tolerance and some people don't gel too well with those concepts.

Calling it woke because of that is going waaaay too far imo, although I guess it can depend on how those themes are handled. Knowing Atlus and coming from SMT V, I bet they'll be handled properly tho.

To be honest I am glad there's a strong normie filter on these games because I can only imagine the amount of triggered outrage farming videos if this was a more mainstream game. As soon as they started talking about racism I was already seeing the youtube thumbnails in my mind.

 

[ArtHands]

i mean, why buy on consoles when you can buy on PC?

 

[Topher]

i mean, why buy on consoles when you can buy on PC?

I can sell the game when I'm done

 

[Danjin44]

i mean, why buy on consoles when you can buy on PC?

Because I don’t own and not interested in gaming PC?

 

[YeulEmeralda]

It's behind 10 years old game, some weird flex

For a JRPG this is fucking impressive. I remember when Persona was niche.

 

[BehemothBlade]

Im not interested in this game but if this shows turn based is still in demand then this is good.
Square should make XVII turn based.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

It's behind 10 years old game, some weird flex

You constantly have some of the worst takes I've seen on GAF. How is that even possible.

 

[TrebleShot]

Steam deck racking up wins

 

[BehemothBlade]

It's especially funny when a lot of these people are crying on Steam and Twitter about how Metaphor is woke and Atlus fell to the woke agenda lol

Huh.
I havent seen the game, it might be those localizers doing their . . .translations. I need to study the game more to understand what is going on.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

i mean, why buy on consoles when you can buy on PC?

This has been answered many times over the past decade. Let’s put the pc master race comments back where they belong.

 

[Guilty_AI]

What? What part of the game is woke?

I’m completely lost what “woke” even means anymore.

it does have a few localization shenanigans, though not the woke kind but the retarded millennial dialogue one

 

[Guilty_AI]

i mean, why buy on consoles when you can buy on PC?

I ain't buying any atlus game on pc so long as they keep adding denuvo

 

[Topher]

4 million on all platforms?

I was talking about PC only.

Persona 5 still brings in 15k players at its daily peak. That's for a game that has been on Steam for two years. I wouldn't call that "forgotten".

https://steamdb.info/app/1687950/charts/

 

[BehemothBlade]

Persona 5 still brings in 15k players at its daily peak.

How did this get more success than FFXV
Oh wait its at 10 million.
How does Persona get as big as Final Fantasy

 

[Topher]

How did this get more success than FFXV
Oh wait its at 10 million.
How does Persona get as big as Final Fantasy

What does FF have to do with what I said?

 

[Shake Your Rump]

it does have a few localization shenanigans, though not the woke kind but the retarded millennial dialogue one

This is not the place to discuss this, but two quick comments:

First, I can read Japanese, and the English here is much more fun to me. The literal translation is like something a computer would say.

Second, I highly suggest watching/listening to this podcast, especially if you are a "literalist" with an open mind.

Analysis - Localization Controversy | A Discussion With Alexander O. Smith | State of the Arc Podcast

It seems that with every new Japanese game released here in the States, there's another controversy about the translation. Most recently, we saw this with Metaphor: Refantasio, but the same thing happened with Unicorn Overlord and many others. This is true not only for games but also for anime...

www.neogaf.com

 

[ArtHands]

Players buying on PC instead of consoles isn't something shocking.

 

[Guilty_AI]

This is not the place to discuss this, but two quick comments:

First, I can read Japanese, and the English here is much more fun to me. The literal translation is like something a computer would say.

Second, I highly suggest watching/listening to this podcast, especially if you are a "literalist" with an open mind.

Analysis - Localization Controversy | A Discussion With Alexander O. Smith | State of the Arc Podcast

It seems that with every new Japanese game released here in the States, there's another controversy about the translation. Most recently, we saw this with Metaphor: Refantasio, but the same thing happened with Unicorn Overlord and many others. This is true not only for games but also for anime...

www.neogaf.com

Dude i've followed jp-english translations for decades in the LN scene, i know full well you can't always make literal translations. That doesn't mean you can just completely reinterpret a character and its manner of speech because you thought it was 'fun'.

 

[MMaRsu]

it does have a few localization shenanigans, though not the woke kind but the retarded millennial dialogue one

Who cares bro learn japanese if it bothers you so much

 

[MMaRsu]

Huh.
I havent seen the game, it might be those localizers doing their . . .translations. I need to study the game more to understand what is going on.

Grifters need new shit to shit on every fucking week, how are they going to make their trashy YT videos otherwise?

 

[Guilty_AI]

Who cares bro learn japanese if it bothers you so much

would certainly be a very dopey experience

 

[MMaRsu]

would certainly be a very dopey experience

Im not too bothered how a fairy talks to me lol

 

[Shake Your Rump]

That doesn't mean you can just completely reinterpret a character and its manner of speech because you thought it was 'fun'.

Yes. Yes, you can.

Again, I highly recommend that podcast featuring a 30-year veteran video game translator.

PS: There is no “re-interpretation”. Modern games from major publishers have their localizations made in concert with the Japanese team (marketing or otherwise) and are fully sanctioned.

 

[Topher]

Players buying on PC instead of consoles isn't something shocking.

Who said it was?

 

[BehemothBlade]

Yes. Yes, you can.

People should have private translators so that they can have their own versions.

 

[Deerock71]

One more sale this weekend.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Turn based haters haven't even tried the genre to begin with, they will never like it this way.

Nothing worse to me than a turn based hater. There is a level of obtuseness there. Something that screams "I don't read" and "I don't have culture." Something classless and cheap. Low end. We are just different people. Do they also hate chess? I'm sure they don't know how to play, lol. We are dealing with people who hate board games including D&D here. People who hate card games. The only reason they game at all is they invented technology to allow them to compete with fast twitch reaction time. Simple games based on how fast your knee jumps when you tap it with a hammer. Low brow games based on human reaction time rather than strategy. How high should we hold their esteem?

 

[Zacfoldor]

Players buying on PC instead of consoles isn't something shocking.

What, lol?

It's not shocking, it's just something good to see bro. That's why this was posted. Nobody is like shocked something sold well on steam. That's some weird PC defensiveness.

Don't worry, I don't shit on PC on here anymore after The Squad ate me alive last time.

 

[Deerock71]

How did this get more success than FFXV
Oh wait its at 10 million.
How does Persona get as big as Final Fantasy

Talent wins.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

How does Persona get as big as Final Fantasy

Because XIII, XV and XVI were crap?

 

[Guilty_AI]

PS: There is no “re-interpretation”. Modern games from major publishers have their localizations made in concert with the Japanese team (marketing or otherwise) and are fully sanctioned.

yes, i know:
Blue haired localizer: "we should totally remove all pronouns in this sentence because assuming genders is offensive!"
jp marketing team: "uh, ok, i have no clue what you're talking about but if you say its like that."

 

[SHA]

Nothing worse to me than a turn based hater. There is a level of obtuseness there. Something that screams "I don't read" and "I don't have culture." Something classless and cheap. Low end. We are just different people. Do they also hate chess? I'm sure they don't know how to play, lol. We are dealing with people who hate board games including D&D here. People who hate card games. The only reason they game at all is they invented technology to allow them to compete with fast twitch reaction time. Simple games based on how fast your knee jumps when you tap it with a hammer. Low brow games based on human reaction time rather than strategy. How high should we hold their esteem?

They have to admit their limited experience with games and want more from them, there has to be a need for wanting more otherwise they'll keep running in circles.

 

[Arachnid]

It's behind 10 years old game, some weird flex

CS2 came out last year and it's F2P fam

 

[SHA]

Haters

 

[Rising_Hei]

I ended up preordering the game, despite its technical flaws.
A game shouldn't be judged solely on this, if gaming wants to be considered a grown-up medium and a true expression of art, the technical proficiency of games should become less relevant.
I understand that it is somewhat comfortable to talk about these things because they are less subjective than other aspects of the game.
I have to say that I'll welcome an update that removes the AA and fixes the framerate, but these issues won't dictate if I buy a game or not.
P.S Persona got big because they don't care as much as Final Fantasy on graphical fidelity, and focus on other things instead (this doesn't apply to FF7 Rebirth, where they found the perfect balance, IMO).

 

[mckmas8808]

Sadly I agree. It is more of political climate, even if majority does not want twisted woke agenda in the west, but the political climate is still pushing or forcing this agenda, then there is no hope.

There have been no forcing any agenda on Publishers to be "woke".

 

[wvnative]

Im not interested in this game but if this shows turn based is still in demand then this is good.
Square should make XVII turn based.

FTFY

Anyways, I don't care if FF is turn based or action, I enjoy both.

But I am absolutely baffled why they haven't made an attempt at a modern turn based game. Persona, Yakuza and now Metaphor are doing really well. You really can't say it won't sell when you haven't tried it. I'd love to see a modern turn based game with that FF budget.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

yes, i know:
Blue haired localizer: "we should totally remove all pronouns in this sentence because assuming genders is offensive!"
jp marketing team: "uh, ok, i have no clue what you're talking about but if you say its like that."

You couldn’t be farther from the truth. I’m going to leave it at that. If folks like yourself wish to spread misinformation instead of listening to experts in the localization industry, I can do no more.

 

[ap_puff]

FTFY

Anyways, I don't care if FF is turn based or action, I enjoy both.

But I am absolutely baffled why they haven't made an attempt at a modern turn based game. Persona, Yakuza and now Metaphor are doing really well. You really can't say it won't sell when you haven't tried it. I'd love to see a modern turn based game with that FF budget.

They should carry the FF7R combat system forward. It's sublime.