RTTP Dune (Dir. David Lynch)

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I actually liked this movie when it first came around. I decided loan it from a friend who did warn me about the movie and told me not to watch it again. Man! Was he right, what pile crap this movie was. I have read the book and yet I had hard time following the story. They crammed so much into the movie that I simply couldn't follow it all, what a mess. Dune might actually have worked as duology, except it had horrid special effects and art design. I can't believe how movie so expensive could have such lackluster effects not to mention they use same explosions over and over again. Everything in the film looks so god dam bad, from ship desing to costume desing. Especially the costume desings, Harkonnen soldiers and Vladimir Harkonnen looked just ridicilous! I can't understand why they just didn't use desings by moebius. They were bit 70s scifi but they had that flair you could expect from these nobel houses to actually wear. Oh, and the over/bad acting was just unbearable, every time Kenneth McMillan appeared on screen I just wanted to rewind so badly. Only bearable part about the movie was the OST but even it sucked most of the time, not to mention they used that one 80s rock song way too often. How Lynch's career ever recovered from this film is a mystery to me, I'm glad it did but HELL! Dune might be one of the worse big budget films ever made. Why did David even take the project? He had to know early on it wasn't going to work out.

I warned you about the movie bro!!!

I actually wish there would be Dune reboot some time in the future. It's a rich book but it can't be handled by one movie, mini series or duology.
 
I love it. But that's probably because I am so fucking prone to visuals and aesthetics, in which the film totally excells.

Then I couldn't care less about the story. I mean I also loved the book but I don't think the plot is that terrific. It's more about the atmosphere, the decadence and weirdness of the future, where nature's rules dont seem to apply anymore.

Accordingly I hate the mini series. Blurg
 
It's an abomination compared to the written works, although you can apply that to a good portion of movies from books. I believe I still have the film somewhere in my collection, only touched it once.

I do wish someone would attempt it again, only on a smaller scale without trying to jam it all into one disjointed disaster.
 
Book is probably one of my personal favorites and read it once a year.

I also love the film but think it should stand on it's own, it's more of Lynch's interpretation of the material.
 
I had seen this movie a long time ago and only recently read the book. I absolutely love the book, and rewatching the movie just made me ache for a really good 2 or 3 movies that covered everything that happens in the book (and maybe Dune Messiah).
 
theepicoftyler said:
I had seen this movie a long time ago and only recently read the book. I absolutely love the book, and rewatching the movie just made me ache for a really good 2 or 3 movies that covered everything that happens in the book (and maybe Dune Messiah).
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There is the Sci-Fi channel mini-series that came out a couple of years ago that covered a couple of the books. I haven't watched them myself but have them on dvd some place around the house.
 
"He who controls the Spice, controls the universe!"

Absolutely love this movie. Call it a guilty pleasure, outright bad taste or whatever you will, but I enjoyed it.

Would have been interesting to see how Alejandro Jodorowsky would have made it though.
 
Fritz said:
I love it. But that's probably because I am so fucking prone to visuals and aesthetics, in which the film totally excells.

Then I couldn't care less about the story. I mean I also loved the book but I don't think the plot is that terrific. It's more about the atmosphere, the decadence and weirdness of the future, where nature's rules dont seem to apply anymore.

Accordingly I hate the mini series. Blurg
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I loved all the powerplay and scheming inside the houses and that wasn't presented well in the movie at all. It didn't present weirdness of the future all that well either, you saw some random pugs and cats running around but other then that it looked like generic 80s scifi movie. Of course debating over visuals and aesthetics is useless since it's subjective.

They should have gone with Moebius art to set themselfs apart from rest of the 80s scifi.
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The film that sent Lynch back to indie/art house films. Supposedly, the producers fucked with the final cut, which destroyed the film. Still a fun watch, though.
 
I love book Dune and I could only watch the movie once. It looked interesting but it was too bombastic when it should have been subtle and too minimalistic when it should've been big. The straight to tv miniseries were actually better even if they weren't as inventive.
 
AAequal said:
I loved all the powerplay and scheming inside the houses and that wasn't presented well in the movie at all. It didn't present weirdness of the future all that well either, you saw some random pugs and cats running around but other then that it looked like generic 80s scifi movie. Of course debating over visuals and aesthetics is useless since it's subjective.

They should have gone with Moebius art to set themselfs apart from rest of the 80s scifi.
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I suppose they could have, but that art was a result of the Jodorowsky vision of Dune that was in its planning stages years before Lynch took control. Here's a trailer for the cartoon version of the Mobius and Joworowsky collaboration: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/19/the-trailer-for-the.html
 
SalsaShark said:
I love it, but man id kill to see jodorowsky's version
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I'm not sure what to think of a 14 hour Jodorowsky science fiction film, with Salvador Dali and Orson Welles playing marquee characters. I definitely want to see how it'd turn out, but the rug was rightfully pulled from underneath him Lol
 
harSon said:
I suppose they could have, but that art was a result of the Jodorowsky vision of Dune that was in its planning stages years before Lynch took control. Here's a trailer for the cartoon version of the Mobius and Joworowsky collaboration: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/19/the-trailer-for-the.html
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That looks awesome! I would have loved to see Joworowsky's version of the film. I mean Salvador Dali, Orson Welles and Alain Delon in same film?! That would have been amazing. On flip side it had all the chances to be bad as current Dune.
 
harSon said:
Would have been interesting to see how Alejandro Jodorowsky would have made it though.
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There's a doc in the works (or more specifically, looking for distribution) on the Jodorowsky version.

http://youtu.be/dywGFB6-VzY

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/18726/the-fall-and-rise-of-alejandro-jodorowskys-dune
Dune would feature an eclectic star cast, including Orson Welles, David Carradine, Mick Jagger and Salvador Dali. It would feature the designs of the era’s foremost artists, including Jean ‘Moebius’ Giraud, HR Giger and Chris Foss. It would also cost an absolute fortune to make, and would, according to various estimates, clock in at anywhere between three and 14 hours long…

Having secured some funding from European financiers, Jodorowsky began pre-production work in earnest. Overseen by Dan O’Bannon – who was hired because of his work on the cult classic Dark Star – Giger, Foss and Giraud began generating page after page of artwork and concept designs.

Although Jodorowsky’s attempt to cast artist Salvador Dali in the role of Emperor Shaddam IV soon fell apart – Dali demanded the absurd sum of $100,000 per hour, and was later asked to leave the production for making “pro-Franco statements” – the pre-production was wildly productive. Giger was generating some quite remarkable designs, including a huge castle that was simultaneously a stronghold and a hideous replica of its builder, Baron Harkonnen, and some beautifully creepy, skeletal chairs. Foss designed some appropriately fantastical space ships, and Giraud had painstakingly drew storyboards based on the hulking Dune script.

Then, after two years of work and the outlay of about $2 million in pre-production fees, Dune fell apart. Its French financiers grew nervous of its spiralling budget, and when Jodorowsky’s attempts to gain some co-funding in Los Angeles failed, it seemed that the director’s Dune had been thwarted by its soaring ambition.
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AAequal said:
I actually liked this movie when it first came around. I decided loan it from a friend who did warn me about the movie and told me not to watch it again. Man! Was he right, what pile crap this movie was. I have read the book and yet I had hard time following the story. They crammed so much into the movie that I simply couldn't follow it all, what a mess. Dune might actually have worked as duology, except it had horrid special effects and art design. I can't believe how movie so expensive could have such lackluster effects not to mention they use same explosions over and over again. Everything in the film looks so god dam bad, from ship desing to costume desing. Especially the costume desings, Harkonnen soldiers and Vladimir Harkonnen looked just ridicilous! I can't understand why they just didn't use desings by moebius. They were bit 70s scifi but they had that flair you could expect from these nobel houses to actually wear. Oh, and the over/bad acting was just unbearable, every time Kenneth McMillan appeared on screen I just wanted to rewind so badly. Only bearable part about the movie was the OST but even it sucked most of the time, not to mention they used that one 80s rock song way too often. How Lynch's career ever recovered from this film is a mystery to me, I'm glad it did but HELL! Dune might be one of the worse big budget films ever made. Why did David even take the project? He had to know early on it wasn't going to work out.

I warned you about the movie bro!!!

I actually wish there would be Dune reboot some time in the future. It's a rich book but it can't be handled by one movie, mini series or duology.
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I own Dune on DVD, HD DVD and Blu Ray and it has the best casting and costume and set design of any Sci fi movie ever. The soundtrack is amazing, some of the dialog is incredible and the performances, Sting excepted, are magnificent. I even got David Lynch to sign my DVD. Now, does it have flaws? LAWDS YES. But it is more than the sum of the sum of its parts and transcends itself.
 
Stinkles said:
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I own Dune on DVD, HD DVD and Blu Ray and it has the best casting and costume and set design. In any Sci fi movie ever. The soundtrack is amazing, some of the dialog is incredible and the performances, Sting excepted, are magnificent. I even got David Lynch to sign my DVD. Now, does it have flaws? LAWDS YES. But it is more than the sum of the sum of its parts and transcends itself.
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My friend actually has VHS signed by Alan Smithee :D Lynch gave him "are you fucking with me" -look when he had offered the VHS tape for him to sign.
 
AAequal said:
My friend actually has VHS signed by Alan Smithee :D Lynch gave him "are you fucking with me" -look when he had offered the VHS tape for him to sign.
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Trumped! Actually my wife got him to sign it without telling me. I came home and there were scribbles all over the VERY RARE DVD case. I was like, WTF HAPPENED and she says, 'oh I went to David Lynch's house today so I grabbed something for him to sign.' I was ecstatic, but then embarassed because I bet he'd rather have signed anything else. Well except the tape you describe. That's worse.
 
Yep, that movie is pretty awful. Ever see the "Alan Smithee" 3+ hour version?

The Baron is downright disturbing and some reviewers took it as a shot against gay people. 1980s, AIDS scare, etc. I'm not sure if it's intentional but I can see the connections.

The sci-fi mini series isn't bad but the book is definitely the way to go.
 
There's to much information to squeeze into one movie. I felt even with the extended version they were in fast forward mode.

I actually liked the 2 SciFi miniseries more, but the cg is so bad at points I dont think I could actually recommend it to anyone.
 
fart town usa said:
Yep, that movie is pretty awful. Ever see the "Alan Smithee" 3+ hour version?

The Baron is downright disturbing and some reviewers took it as a shot against gay people. 1980s, AIDS scare, etc. I'm not sure if it's intentional but I can see the connections.

The sci-fi mini series isn't bad but the book is definitely the way to go.
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Haven't seen the 3+ hour cut and now that I know such thing exsist I'll give it as christmas present to all the people I secretly hate. I have seen the new mini series not too long ago but can't recall single scene from it :c
 
It's a horrendous adaptation. Anyone going into that movie without having read the book was lost. It's incomprehensible.

Having read the book, the movie is like a fever dream outline of the novel. It's still not a good movie, but you can at least fill in the blanks.
 
AAequal said:
I actually liked this movie when it first came around. I decided loan it from a friend who did warn me about the movie and told me not to watch it again. Man! Was he right, what pile crap this movie was. I have read the book and yet I had hard time following the story. They crammed so much into the movie that I simply couldn't follow it all, what a mess. Dune might actually have worked as duology, except it had horrid special effects and art design.
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You lost me here.

I love the art design of this movie. Every House and power group has a unique style.
I also liked the acting *except* Kylke MacLachlan, which is a damn shame since he's the heart of the movie. The rest of the cast is supurb, though.

Did you watch the extended edition on rewatch, by chance? I found it horrible-- the pacing and editing were so bad I couldn't get through a third of it.

I like Dune the Movie but it's a deeply flawed thing. And yet I find it quite enjoyable despite those flaws. I had read the book so that certainly helped.
 
Stinkles said:
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I own Dune on DVD, HD DVD and Blu Ray and it has the best casting and costume and set design of any Sci fi movie ever. The soundtrack is amazing, some of the dialog is incredible and the performances, Sting excepted, are magnificent. I even got David Lynch to sign my DVD. Now, does it have flaws? LAWDS YES. But it is more than the sum of the sum of its parts and transcends itself.
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Internet fist bump. I've loved Dune since seeing it when it came out, and agree with pretty much everything above.
 
fart town usa said:
Yep, that movie is pretty awful. Ever see the "Alan Smithee" 3+ hour version?

The Baron is downright disturbing and some reviewers took it as a shot against gay people. 1980s, AIDS scare, etc. I'm not sure if it's intentional but I can see the connections.

The sci-fi mini series isn't bad but the book is definitely the way to go.
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AIDS came into the popular consciousness in 85/86 after Rock Hudson died of it. That was long after the movie came out. As well, the virus barely had a name until 84. David Lynch was just being David Lynch and put some body horror in there.
 
The Jodorowsky film sounds awesome I know. And I feel like he never got tired of telling everyone how awesome it would have been. And god damn there were some incredible people involved BUT it's unfair to compare some early sketches to an actual feature imo.
 
Yeah I like this movie despite its faults. Like others I really enjoyed the art direction and it had a mostly solid cast as well. After the fall of the House Atreides the movie sorta loses itself but it's still fun overall.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
You lost me here.

I love the art design of this movie. Every House and power group has a unique style.
I also liked the acting *except* Kylke MacLachlan, which is a damn shame since he's the heart of the movie. The rest of the cast is supurb, though.

Did you watch the extended edition on rewatch, by chance? I found it horrible-- the pacing and editing were so bad I couldn't get through a third of it.

I like Dune the Movie but it's a deeply flawed thing. And yet I find it quite enjoyable despite those flaws. I had read the book so that certainly helped.
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Unique? Bad guys wore mainly dark colored leather/rubber suits and good guys had kind of standard looking military uniform. After first half everybody was mainly seen in those desert suits. Looked like 80s scifi to me. All the other people wore trek like clothing, something straight out the times of Roman. I didn't find the overall style all that interesting. Ship designs especially were so freaking disappointing :(
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Every planet's interiors are different. Industrial for the Harkonen homewolrd, wood for Atredies, Byzantine(?) for the Imperian stuff, middle-eastern for Dune itself (and there a difference between city folk and Fremen). The Atredies are based on what appears to be 19th century Russian.
 
harSon said:
I suppose they could have, but that art was a result of the Jodorowsky vision of Dune that was in its planning stages years before Lynch took control. Here's a trailer for the cartoon version of the Mobius and Joworowsky collaboration: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/19/the-trailer-for-the.html
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That's not Dune, that's Incal.

And well, Jodorowsky can say whatever he wants but Dune and Incal are very different things. Other than being set on a dystopian future with a mega-advanced society.
 
WHAT THE FUCK!

Dune is one of the best movies of all time, and certainly Lynch's best. If you had a hard time following the story, that's your own issue, not the movie's. Sorry bro.
 
This movie also has the WORST narrator ever. He sounded like a drunken confused old man they pulled off the streets, who was paid with a case of thunderbird wine.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
That's not Dune, that's Incal.

And well, Jodorowsky can say whatever he wants but Dune and Incal are very different things. Other than being set on a dystopian future with a mega-advanced society.
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Well, it was born out of their failure to bring Dune to the silver screen, so they are in fact related, and at the very least, it gives us a decent look into the direction their Dune film would have ultimately taken. I'm not exactly sure how you going to disregard the word of the creator Lol.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
That's not Dune, that's Incal.

And well, Jodorowsky can say whatever he wants but Dune and Incal are very different things. Other than being set on a dystopian future with a mega-advanced society.
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Did they film the Incal? That would be awesome.

I love Moebius, but I don't think he's right for Dune designs.
 
harSon said:
Well, it was born out of their failure to bring Dune to the silver screen, so they are in fact related, and at the very least, it gives us a decent look into the direction their Dune film would have ultimately taken. I'm not exactly sure how you going to disregard the word of the creator Lol.
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Creators can be full of shit and they often are.

His Dune dream vanished and he went off to make a sci-fi master opus. If you've read both Incal and Dune, you'd know they're very different things. Dune is about the relationship of people with their environment, Incal is about spiritual enlightment.
 
Timedog said:
WHAT THE FUCK!

Dune is one of the best movies of all time, and certainly Lynch's best. If you had a hard time following the story, that's your own issue, not the movie's. Sorry bro.
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My confusion mainly comes from things that are left out or changed from the book. The movie itself is easy to follow since Lynch had decided to spoon feed many of the things to the viewer unlike in his other movies where he lets the audience figure out what is happening on the screen. Subtlety of Lynch is totally missing here, then again it was meant for big audience so I kinda understand the spoon feeding.
 
Bitmap Frogs said:
Creators can be full of shit and they often are.

His Dune dream vanished and he went off to make a sci-fi master opus. If you've read both Incal and Dune, you'd know they're very different things. Dune is about the relationship of people with their environment, Incal is about spiritual enlightment.
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He didn't say they are exactly the same, simply that the project was born out of the failed attempt at bringing the Dune adaptation to term.
 
AAequal said:
My confusion mainly comes from things that are left out or changed from the book. The movie itself is easy to follow since Lynch had decided to spoon feed many of the things to the viewer unlike in his other movies where he lets the audience figure out what is happening on the screen. Subtlety of Lynch is totally missing here, then again it was meant for big audience so I kinda understand the spoon feeding.
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a movie is different from the book??? this is the first time that's ever happened. how confusing!

the movie is better than the book.

AAequal said:
Wasn't the narrator a women? Princess Irulan to be exact.
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He's talking about the Alan Smithee version.
 
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