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SPOILER Bioshock Infinite SPOILER discussion
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The Everyman
btw this just convinced me to start replaying the game, i glossed over way too much cool stuff.
monocle_wearing_hyrax
Neo Member
Im not even sure when Comstock met Lady Comstock. Is she just a woman he met in Columbia or maybe shortly after his baptism.
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The Everyman
awesome, this ties up a few more things
- who the dead guy in the lighthouse was
- why there was a message on the door
jacksepticeye
Member
You do, it's definitely not just transitioning through fog. There is a distinct sound and Booker seems terribly confused by it.
ThaiGrocer
Member
No more dead cops = I want a puppy!
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The Everyman
i hope not, that's super gross.
I forgot about the 77 thing too, makes sense now.
I was constantly thinking about that during the game waiting on a payoff but then I totally forgot
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The Everyman
Mh, this is weird tho:
as far as we know, no he doesnt. New York burns much later when he's dead and Elizabeth's older. She's the one that burns it.
now it makes me wonder how that image Booker sees is explained..
well you can see tears of a future, right?
Mh, this is weird tho:
as far as we know, no he doesnt. New York burns much later when he's dead and Elizabeth's older. She's the one that burns it.
now it makes me wonder how that image Booker sees is explained..
Comstock does see New York burning through one of the tears, thats where his prophecy came from
I dunno, seeing her in the dress and having the door recognize her as Lady Comstock just made me wonder.
It's always possible but that would mean that Comstock knowingly had sex with his daughter.
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The Everyman
i realized you could chock every odd moment up to the lucetes guiding you in the right direction. i have a hard time believing that that was the most optimal course of action to dewitt blowing up the siphon though. maybe it wasnt though, maybe it was just good enough.
ThaiGrocer
Member
Booker just piles higher and deeper, doesn't he?
They didn't care about optimal, they just cared about results. When something didn't work, they just did something else.
Remember the dead soldiers that can sense being murdered in an alternate universe? In the same way, Comstock's visions have bled over to Booker. He sees the same prophecies.Mh, this is weird tho:
as far as we know, no he doesnt. New York burns much later when he's dead and Elizabeth's older. She's the one that burns it.
now it makes me wonder how that image Booker sees is explained..
"How can I ever make it up to my sweet daughter for selling her off to repay my gambling debt? I believe a hot dicking is in order!"
Except I guess Comstock wouldn't use that logic because he didnt have the gambling problem but whatever.
Soon as he lands his mind starts filling in memories, IE Comstock seeing through the tear into the future. Thats how Booker gets it.
Mannnnnnnnnn.
One thing that kind of surprised me was how much they moved away from "America is better then you so deal with it" to "God or die"
The city itself was full of American valves in 1912 but it honestly didn't seem like what Ken mentioned years back. So I'm wondering how much changed in development.
The city itself was full of American valves in 1912 but it honestly didn't seem like what Ken mentioned years back. So I'm wondering how much changed in development.
monocle_wearing_hyrax
Neo Member
Mh, this is weird tho:
as far as we know, no he doesnt. New York burns much later when he's dead and Elizabeth's older. She's the one that burns it.
now it makes me wonder how that image Booker sees is explained..
But Comstock does see this in the form of a "prophecy" ,aka a tear. Maybe thats how also Booker remembers.
I thought about this too, but then I realized that Elizabeth was supposed to be the new Comstock anyway so it's no wonder she would have access to Comstock house and such.
Just maybe not that early while she was supposed to still be "caged"
could be anything tho
yeah I know that, just totally forgot about Comstock literally seeing that through a tear.
Certainly explains the monotony of their tone; they've done this hundreds of times.
The One Who Knocks
Member
I don't think so. Lady Comstock has no conneciton to Elizabeth at all that isn't propoganda. Elizabeth thought that Lady Comstock was her mother and abandoned her which was why she was so angry at her (but in fact her mother died at child birth as we were led to believe). Lady Comstock thought that Elizabeth was Rosalind Lutece's and Comstock's daugher but this wasn't possible as Comstock was sterile through the use of the tears (ironically though, Comstock actually asked for an affair according to one of her Voxaphones but was declined). The truth was explained to Lady Comstock but knowing of Comstock's murders and his lies she viewed him as a 'monster' and could only offer him forgiveness, not silence as he wanted (at which point he murdered her and Fitzroy was blamed). If you completely remove Lady Comstock, Elizabeth would still exist. If there wasn't always constants it would be possible in a universe but those constants (and we don't actually know what they all are; the coin is one, the rowing, the existence of a lighthouse and founder another, but there could be more. Maybe the baptism isn't even a constant and that explains the ending, it didn't work because they didn't identify the correct constant but personally, I doubt that]).
EDIT: Actually what BlastProcessing said is much better and has a much greater dramatic irony.
That and they are eccentric as all hell.
Nemesis_
Member
It kind of makes sense now why HE DOESN'T ROW?
toastyToast
Member
I kind of want to play the game again to see all the nods, then again, I'm pretty sure I don't want to lol
Movies are easy to re-watch. Games, not so much
They're probably sick of rowing but it's become well established that Booker is a dick and doesn't want to help.
Movies are easy to re-watch. Games, not so much
They're probably sick of rowing but it's become well established that Booker is a dick and doesn't want to help.
Infinite universes, infinite horrible fanfiction possibilities
Nemesis_
Member
They should have slapped Booker and made him row. That Booker would have tore Columbia and songbird out of the sky and drowned himself without Liz's help
this game is so tailored towards experiencing it again with aditional info that not playing it a second time almost seem like a disservice
so glad I didnt went with Hard instead of 1999 mode on my first run. Almost went all in. Leaving another layer of incentive was the thing to do.
Now that's a DLC I'd like to see.
When I do my second play through, I'll go easy just so I can enjoy all the nods.
The One Who Knocks
Member
One hundred and twenty two (previous) times (this is the one hundred and twenty third) according to the chalkboard at the "Heads, or tails?" segment (the coin flip is a constant, each time they add a dash) but I have to think that seems far too low to get everything perfect (unless they aren't counting some events). This also goes back to the bar (presumably). The result of the shield is a variable. Sometimes Booker dies there and sometimes it works. Another NPC mentions that they prefer to not get new Vigors so Fink can remove any errors.
Very good catch. That makes there an even greater irony in her refusal of the miracle birth. That seems very likely I would think.
Nah, the game is very good at stopping with nods to getting into action and vice-versa. When you fight, you only fight. When you walk around, you only walk around.
BlastProcessing
Member
In the Booker-verse his wife dies in childbirth. In the Comstock-verse there is no childbirth to kill her. I assumed that they are the same woman in each verse. This explains why they look alike.
At least 122 times. It is possible that they have been at it much longer until they got bored enough to start tracking coin flips.
Row, Row, Row your boat.
Gently down the stream.
Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily.
Life is but a ... but a ...
Dammit Ken!
Bioshock Infinites crosses over with every fucking work of fiction ever made (slightly modified so that they all have a man, a city and a lighthouse).
D:
Yeah, I assume that's the number of Booker's that even survive their first encounter with Songbird.
I have a lot to say about this game that I'm saving for elsewhere (sorrs), but it's an existential science fiction masterpiece. Having just finished it, I have to scoff at the Inception comparisons -- it's way smarter than that, more Chris Marker than Chris Nolan and what every single person crafting narratively-driven games needs to aspire to.
jacksepticeye
Member
Completely changes the entire game lol
Imagine if there was a DLC that altered small parts here and there throughout the game that ultimately completely changed something at the very end.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Looking at the initial gameplay trailer in 2010 (man that feels like eons ago now), it seems like you were originally going to fight against different sub-leaders of the different wards of Columbia. That Saltonstall guy giving a speech to an audience of nobody was apparently the councilman of Ward 6. The art book goes even further back and it seems like it was basically going to be the original Bioshock in the sky, if the mutated splicer-like enemies and generally 'creepier' looking settings from that period of development are anything to go off. Honestly as much as I liked the horror aspects of Bio1 I'm glad they moved away from that. Despite the literal connections to Rapture Infinite still feels very much like its own game.
Also just a theory but since Songbird seemed so out of place with the rest of Columbia's aesthetics, part of me is wondering due to the obvious Big Daddy parallels if the technology Fink used to create him was literally taken from Rapture.