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“Better Man” bombs at the US box office

I saw this trailer in a showing of Nosferatu and even knowing damn well who he is, this was one of the most mindbogglingly stupid looking trailers I've ever seen.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Anyone want to watch a planet of the apes musical? Didnt think so.

I didnt know Robbie W even did Millennium. And I hadnt heard the song on radio in ages or even remembered it until people brought up this movie.

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DKehoe

Gold Member
Anyone want to watch a planet of the apes musical? Didnt think so.

I didnt know Robbie W even did Millennium. And I hadnt heard the song on radio in ages or even remembered it until people brought up this movie.

The Simpsons Chimpanzee GIF
I was just thinking the other day I would absolutely watch a full adaptation of this. Although it wouldn't be the same without Phil Hartman's Troy McClure and the writing in that minute or so is so good that I can't imagine it could be maintained for a whole show.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
That was a great musical sequence. The choreography and camera work are tremendous here. Based on this excerpt it's a shame that the movie bombed.



 
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kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
What an incredible waste of money. Who greenlit this?

Development​

The project was first announced in February 2021 as co-written and directed by Michael Gracey with Oliver Cole and Simon Gleeson also having co-writing credits, and Gracey also producing alongside Jules Daly for Big Red Films and Craig McMahon for McMahon International.[11] Later that year it was reported that funding also came via the Australian government’s Producer Offset and Film Victoria's incentive programmes.[12] The film is set to be distributed in Australia and New Zealand by Roadshow Films with international sales handled by Rocket Science.[13]

Production
companies
  • Sina Studios
  • Facing East Entertainment
  • Rocket Science
  • Lost Bandits
  • Footloose Productions
Distributed by
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Damn, you would think a Robin Williams biopic would do good in theaters....

Oh that's Robbie Williams....

Seriously though, the only reason I know about this guy is he's into UFO and paranormal stuff and is friends with paranormal investigator George Knapp.
 
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Brian Fellows

Pete Carroll Owns Me
Never heard of this Robbie Williams person, hell I thought it was about Robin Williams the actor that died ten years ago.

I remember his 15 minutes of fame but at the time I remember thinking it was weird that the radio/MTV talked about him like he was an established super star even though nobody had heard of him.
 

tamago84

Member
That was a great musical sequence. The choreography and camera work are tremendous here. Based on this excerpt it's a shame that the movie bombed.




lmao they releasing full scenes trying to salvage this dumpster truck
 
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Jaybe

Member
That was a great musical sequence. The choreography and camera work are tremendous here. Based on this excerpt it's a shame that the movie bombed.



This is the best scene and musical number in the movie, so them posting this to YouTube saves people needing to drop money on a ticket
 
Maybe what people don't realise is.

When they went to Hollywood to green light this, the money people thought they were making a robin williams biopic and was like sure.

Or maybe the plan was to make a robin williams biopic and someone emailed his name wrong.

Enter Robbie williams.
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
We should really stop making biopics about people still living. Are we going to get a Taylor swift movie Taylor played by a cg flamingo.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
The biggest shame seems to be that apparently its a really good movie; I literally could not find a bad review for it!

I really hope people aren't thinking that box-office failure automatically makes a movie a "bad idea", when so many of my favourite movies -and stone cold classics- also tanked in their initial release; Carpenter's The Thing, Blade Runner, Fight Club for example were all bombs and yet...
 

NecrosaroIII

Ultimate DQ Fan
The biggest shame seems to be that apparently its a really good movie; I literally could not find a bad review for it!

I really hope people aren't thinking that box-office failure automatically makes a movie a "bad idea", when so many of my favourite movies -and stone cold classics- also tanked in their initial release; Carpenter's The Thing, Blade Runner, Fight Club for example were all bombs and yet...
The Thing is one of the best movies ever made.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
That was a great musical sequence. The choreography and camera work are tremendous here. Based on this excerpt it's a shame that the movie bombed.




The choreography and camera work are really good but the music is actually not that bad either. Pretty catchy.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Ultra bomb. US sales per theatre down to not even $200. It's dead. Maybe tops out at $2M flat. Not surprising since most people here have no idea who he. Even if they remember Millennium, I bet most people wouldnt know who sings it, so makes sense nobody here would care about the movie. The monkey shit probably turned away potential sales than improve it. Thats my guess at least.

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International sales $10M. Mostly UK and some Australia. Some countries dont release till right now in Europe or even March, so sales will edge up here. But US/Canada is basically done. Who knows how much Brazil, France, Germany, Japan etc... will contribute when they release. But probably this movie in totality tops out around $25M if UK does a bit more and all these other markets contribute a couple million each. If it's pretty big in France and Germany, maybe $30M is a stretch.

Australia at $2.6M is more than US/Canada at $1.8M. Aussie has 26M people. US/Can has 370M.

 
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llien

Banned
I know who he is, I quite enjoy some of his songs, e.g. this one (appreciate the lyrics):



But it is hard for me to imagine why I'd go to a theater to see a documentary about him. (or any other singer)
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
LOL.

Numbers.com has domestic at almost $2M and it's basically dead, so as I suspected it'll top out at 2.1M-ish tops.

International sales are at $11M and change. Still a bunch of countires havent launched yet. Not sure how big Robbie was in France and Germany. If he was maybe a couple mill each. If not, it'll be a lame duck. After all is said and done, the movie is now at $13.5. Maybe this movie tops out at $15-20M pending how big France/Germany are. As a reference, Holland and Italy did about $500,000 each. UK is at $7M and Australia at $2.5M

 
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It's proper embarrassing. Gonna make good for video essay break downs in a year or two explaining how this trash went through production.
 
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DKehoe

Gold Member
It's proper embarrassing. Gonna make good for video essay break downs in a year or two explaining how this trash went through production.
Maybe there’s some questions to be asked about the choices that went into making it with that kind of budget. But it seems that generally those who have seen it have enjoyed it. Having seen it, I wouldn’t say it’s trash.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
It's proper embarrassing. Gonna make good for video essay break downs in a year or two explaining how this trash went through production.

Based on the reviews, this was a good movie that didn't find an audience.

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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Maybe there’s some questions to be asked about the choices that went into making it with that kind of budget. But it seems that generally those who have seen it have enjoyed it. Having seen it, I wouldn’t say it’s trash.
Firstly, why making a movie based on Robbie Williams should be the first question.

But a very low budget documentary released directly on Netflix might be worth doing if it only involved a couple million dollars and Williams being involved with the production.

I think what happened was they had do some crazy cgi monkey shit hoping the whiz bang marvel crowd who loves cgi would flock to the movie. Who knows.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Based on the reviews, this was a good movie that didn't find an audience.

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Robbie Williams, making it a cgi monkey movie based on him in real life being called a monkey or whatever, and being a musical has zero business being a giant budget movie.

Even west side story from Steven Spielberg bombed. If that movies and director can’t drum up big sales it’s a tough slog to expect better man to,

It may actually be a good movie if people give it a chance. To me, so are documentaries like Dawn wall and the heartwarming movie about some Rubik’s cube kids. Great documentary movies. But stupid to change them to monkey cgi with a giant budget. There isn’t an audience that big for these kinds of movies.
 
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Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
So the moral of the story is what ? Hollywood should stick to "safe" product aimed at the PG-13 mass-market ?

Honestly, I don't get why some people are seemingly so gleeful that its bombed.
 

Roufianos

Member
This guy is a proper cunt. My mum always tells the story of how she saw some kids shouting for his attention and he just stuck his fingers up. Music sucks too. Who would wanna see this film.
 
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DKehoe

Gold Member
Firstly, why making a movie based on Robbie Williams should be the first question.

But a very low budget documentary released directly on Netflix might be worth doing if it only involved a couple million dollars and Williams being involved with the production.

I think what happened was they had do some crazy cgi monkey shit hoping the whiz bang marvel crowd who loves cgi would flock to the movie. Who knows.
Like I said, people could ask questions about the choices behind the production. However I don’t think that a films commercial performance is the definitive measurement of its quality. But these days it does seem to be one of the main way a lot of people online interact with films. I guess it could be because it’s something you can talk about without having seen it.

As for making it as a Netflix documentary instead, there already is one. But also, with filmmaking it’s not just about what story you’re telling but how you tell it. If it was just about conveying the facts of his life story then the guy’s Wikipedia page is there for people to skim. But storytelling is about more than that. There are stylistic elements to this that you couldn’t do in a documentary. Not to say one medium is better than the other, but this is the way the people making it wanted to tell it.

My point was more that I don’t think it’s fair to call it trash when it’s been generally well received by those who have watched it. Plenty of good films weren’t hits. Maybe few have ever bombed like this but that doesn’t make it trash.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Like I said, people could ask questions about the choices behind the production. However I don’t think that a films commercial performance is the definitive measurement of its quality. But these days it does seem to be one of the main way a lot of people online interact with films. I guess it could be because it’s something you can talk about without having seen it.

As for making it as a Netflix documentary instead, there already is one. But also, with filmmaking it’s not just about what story you’re telling but how you tell it. If it was just about conveying the facts of his life story then the guy’s Wikipedia page is there for people to skim. But storytelling is about more than that. There are stylistic elements to this that you couldn’t do in a documentary. Not to say one medium is better than the other, but this is the way the people making it wanted to tell it.

My point was more that I don’t think it’s fair to call it trash when it’s been generally well received by those who have watched it. Plenty of good films weren’t hits. Maybe few have ever bombed like this but that doesn’t make it trash.
I get what youre saying, but if people dont want to watch it from the get go, it means something is wrong with it. People shunned it. And I think a lot of people avoided it because most people dont care about Robbie Williams or a cgi monkey musical. I had to google it myself why and it turns out he was called acting like a monkey when he was young. Unless someone is a hardcore Robbie fan I doubt most people knew that. Sometimes a premise is just too weird to be accepted.

It would be like watching one of those mountain climbing flicks like Free Solo or Dawn Wall. Awesome low budget documentaries made on a shoestring budget. Make sense it's low key as the avg person isnt going to spend money watching a movie about free climbers. But if a company wanted to turn it into a glitzy high budget movie where the climbers are replaced by CGI Hercules because they feel like they are gods climbing Mount Olympus, it would be retarded. Just leave it be as themselves.
 
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DKehoe

Gold Member
I get what youre saying, but if people dont want to watch it from the get go, it means something is wrong with it. People shunned it. And I think a lot of people avoided it because most people dont care about Robbie Williams or a cgi monkey musical. I had to google it myself why and it turns out he was called acting like a monkey when he was young. Unless someone is a hardcore Robbie fan I doubt most people knew that. Sometimes a premise is just too weird to be accepted.

It would be like watching one of those mountain climbing flicks like Free Solo or Dawn Wall. Awesome low budget documentaries made on a shoestring budget. Make sense it's low key as the avg person isnt going to spend money watching a movie about free climbers. But if a company wanted to turn it into a glitzy high budget movie where the climbers are replaced by CGI Hercules because they feel like they are gods climbing Mount Olympus, it would be retarded. Just leave it be as themselves.
I don’t think that a low turnout necessarily indicates there's something wrong with the film. If your main interest is box office performance then maybe it’s the case from that angle. But my primary concern is whether or not I like the film. If they want to spend $100 million on a film that I liked and barely anyone else saw then cool. I got to see a film I liked. Maybe we’re just looking at this from different perspectives.

But on the other hand, it could be way better if filmmakers didn’t tell stories in the way they wanted to but instead did so in a way that’s as fiscally responsible as possible. Imagine the return on investments on that shit? Holy fuck, that would get the people going.

Kidding aside, It’s A Wonderful Life bombed badly enough to financially ruin the studio that made it. But I doubt many people would argue that meant there was something wrong with it.
 
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ResurrectedContrarian

Suffers with mild autism
He truly is an obscure name in the US. To the point where I'm confident that his name doesn't even ring a bell to most people; if you surveyed 10 thousand Americans with a list of names -- all randomized names, and Robbie Williams randomly inserted -- and asked "which name on this list is a celebrity?" you would get a result that is indistinguishable from random choice, and no matter which part of the US you surveyed, his bare name recognition would never be statistically significant.
 

pachura

Member
He was a member of Take That. I guess no one remembers them anymore? They were successors of New Kids On The Block and predecessors of N'Sync
 

Phobos Base

Member
Take That were a really big deal in the UK, when they broke up there was a hotline for distraught fans to call in. Robbie Williams also had a lot of solo success, my sister was a mega fan and had her wall plastered in images of him, although I don't think even she is aware this film has come out.
 

ResurrectedContrarian

Suffers with mild autism
He was a member of Take That. I guess no one remembers them anymore? They were successors of New Kids On The Block and predecessors of N'Sync
In the UK it seems, but in the US, there was no impact or awareness at all of this band between New Kids / N'Sync, even among the main teenage girl demographic that could tell you everything about those latter bands but is borderline guaranteed in the US to never once have heard of Take That.

Not that it matters, just underscores how strange it was to make this film on a budget that requires US + world box office sales in order to recoup their loss, but for a film that has no way to succeed in this region since it's a biopic of an unknown.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
In the UK it seems, but in the US, there was no impact or awareness at all of this band between New Kids / N'Sync, even among the main teenage girl demographic that could tell you everything about those latter bands but is borderline guaranteed in the US to never once have heard of Take That.

Not that it matters, just underscores how strange it was to make this film on a budget that requires US + world box office sales in order to recoup their loss, but for a film that has no way to succeed in this region since it's a biopic of an unknown.
$110M production budget. I dont think this movie had a ton of marketing but sake of argument let's just round it all up to $150M total cost.

Since theatres take about 50% of the cut, this movie needed $300M to breakeven.
 

Miyazaki’s Slave

Gold Member
> make biopic about singer who faded out of relevancy 15 years ago
> give them a 110 million dollar budget
> replace singer, literally the only reason people who care would watch the movie, with a CGI chimpanzee

What is this strategy called?
Left over brainstorming session by the folks over at Disney+?
 
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