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[Velius]

Holy fuck

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Holy fuck

It's because all them women are crying over titty pics and sandwich jokes instead of working on expansions, ask my boy Hypno.

 

[Velius]

Never fear. Jim is here!

What the fuck happened to him?

 

[CGiRanger]

Honestly I'm struggling to get past how much cancel culture plays into the way that this law-suit is being handled. I mean if you were looking to hurt Activision, this is how you'd craft a complaint. The coercive power of this becoming a public scandal in today's cultural climate cannot be understated. Its a "me-too" moment on a corporate and state scale, and the consequential threat of "cancellation" is equally huge.

Judging from Hoeg Law's analysis there's a strong suggestion that the complaint, legally-speaking, is quite a stretch. In the sense that the allegation that Activision is knowing and wilful in allowing these things to happen, will be extraordinarily difficult to prove in court. Hence they've juiced up the suit with a lot of salacious detail, knowing that this would leak and cause an unstoppable wave of negative public opinion that would force Activision to the bargaining table.

Its shockingly indefensible outside of full disclosure in open court. Who's going to defend a company over charges like this when similar allegations with no legal investigation whatsoever have been proven sufficient to destroy via cancellation numerous individuals within the games industry already?

Of course certain current employees are going to come out of the woodwork to prove their progressive bona-fides by showing their allyship with the struggle on Twitter! Of course former employees and exec's are going to pick the safe-lane of "believe women" and express how (of course) they'd never, ever be associated with such things... because they are clearly terrified at the prospect of getting drawn into the shit-storm themselves.

I don't like Activision. I really don't. However it feels to me like this whole thing is a circus set up by powerful forces who also really don't like Activision and are looking to shake them down for a huge amount of money.

The best way I can describe it is to say that it seems out of character. Activision are really corporate. If they want to get their way they are going to use the threat of their legal might to cow you into submission. With that sort of mindset it seems improbable to me that they'd not do their utmost to cover their asses legally in this area, especially when its standard practice to do so within corporate culture.

Its not like there's a profit imperative to any of this either. Adequate HR oversight and safeguarding is not especially expensive to implement - its basically insurance against this precise sort of thing. Bottom line being; Activision may be evil, but I've always thought of them being extremely competent in their evil!

Another video from Hoeg Law that goes over the Activision/Blizzard responses in detail:



From what I can tell, there's nothing legally wrong with the original statement, but the aggressive tone backfired in the court of public opinion and internally. The J Allen Brack statement was seemingly more for the internal employees even though it was leaked, and thus it didn't get too much of a backlash, even though the whole "Gloria Steinem is my Idol!" talk is clearly appealing to their internal woke crowd shallowly (maybe some of them did buy it?). But it was clearly a more conciliatory tone to smooth things over internally especially at Blizzard itself.

Then the Townsend statement came out which is just plain bizarre. Again it was meant for the internal people, but clearly this person totally doesn't know her audience and it shows. As someone who's only been there for 4 months, it was utterly foolish to give personal anecdotes. While her wording isn't so dissimilar to the initial statement, again coming from someone who's so new and hasn't actually been around during the events that allegedly transpired, it feels even more hollow than a emotionless corporate PR if you can believe it. This shows a bizarre fumbling/bumbling disconnect between Activision corporate and Blizzard studio heads on their messaging. And she's now unwittingly(?) added herself to the list of people likely to take the fall.

At this point it's hard to say what will happen. The ball is still in ActiBlizz's court as for trying to steer things into a more concrete direction now. The statements so far have been dragged on for being too wishy washy on their course without offering exact or tangible steps forward. Those who know of Blizzards legal team would seem to say that they're going to push back, and they've got massive funds to do so. Of course, the internal upheaval is what they'll need to address first, so I'm going to assume they'll make some initial commitment to DEI or payout or some sort internally. Townsend I'm almost certain is gone, she's a perfect offering given that few in the company probably liked her due to her working for a prior Republican administration, and the position she holds (and how short her tenure has been, though that also means she won't be a significant enough offering). 60/40 on J Allen Brack surviving. He's the one at the top, even though it's tough to say how much responsibility he shared back when things were happening since Morhaime was in charge then, but he's still the prime fall guy. We'll see if anyone from HR or the organization itself getting restructured/reorganized in a public manner. Considering most allegations would in one way or the other involve HR, one would think they'll have to be dealt with somehow.

The statements from the ex-leaders like Morhaime are full blown CYA mode to the max with their "Shocked" commentary. Morhaime left the company officially end of 2018, so he was definitely there for a lot of allegations (a reminder that from early 2000 Blizzard offices were shut down due to COVID). Also a lot of former talent from the company (that were again present during the alleged period in question) have gone to Morhaime's new company, so you can bet there's some sweating going on in those places and likely are dreading the possibility for more details emerging on both the known allegations and anything else that could come up.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Honestly I'm struggling to get past how much cancel culture plays into the way that this law-suit is being handled. I mean if you were looking to hurt Activision, this is how you'd craft a complaint. The coercive power of this becoming a public scandal in today's cultural climate cannot be understated. Its a "me-too" moment on a corporate and state scale, and the consequential threat of "cancellation" is equally huge.

Judging from Hoeg Law's analysis there's a strong suggestion that the complaint, legally-speaking, is quite a stretch. In the sense that the allegation that Activision is knowing and wilful in allowing these things to happen, will be extraordinarily difficult to prove in court. Hence they've juiced up the suit with a lot of salacious detail, knowing that this would leak and cause an unstoppable wave of negative public opinion that would force Activision to the bargaining table.

Its shockingly indefensible outside of full disclosure in open court. Who's going to defend a company over charges like this when similar allegations with no legal investigation whatsoever have been proven sufficient to destroy via cancellation numerous individuals within the games industry already?

Of course certain current employees are going to come out of the woodwork to prove their progressive bona-fides by showing their allyship with the struggle on Twitter! Of course former employees and exec's are going to pick the safe-lane of "believe women" and express how (of course) they'd never, ever be associated with such things... because they are clearly terrified at the prospect of getting drawn into the shit-storm themselves.

I don't like Activision. I really don't. However it feels to me like this whole thing is a circus set up by powerful forces who also really don't like Activision and are looking to shake them down for a huge amount of money.

The best way I can describe it is to say that it seems out of character. Activision are really corporate. If they want to get their way they are going to use the threat of their legal might to cow you into submission. With that sort of mindset it seems improbable to me that they'd not do their utmost to cover their asses legally in this area, especially when its standard practice to do so within corporate culture.

Its not like there's a profit imperative to any of this either. Adequate HR oversight and safeguarding is not especially expensive to implement - its basically insurance against this precise sort of thing. Bottom line being; Activision may be evil, but I've always thought of them being extremely competent in their evil!

Its a social media world. And it's video games. Put those two together and you get the whiniest people in public.

I'm sure every person has either worked at a shitty job, had a shitty boss or know people who experienced that.

I bet the vast majority of people quitting for greener pastures dont go on a social media crusade trying to publicly name or drag their former company and boss through the mud. Now people may think if you drag it out in a public witch hunt it improves your chances of winning thinking judges, lawyers and mediators will go through tweets and compile all the supporters messages - more the better. And if you keep silent, every labour board will throw your complaint in the garbage.

Doesn't work like that.

If anything, it'll hurt your chances. As every lawyer will say, keep it low key and go through the process, especially labour lawyers. There's zero of them who will say "yeah go on Twitter and tell the world".

As I said before, I hope Activision employees are prepared for a fight. Just going on the fact Activision fires lots of people despite being giantly profitable and Bobby Kotick makes $200 million in salary and stock compensation shows already to me they will do anything within their legal power to strive for corporate profits and executive power. The chances of Activision suddenly coming out a week from now and saying they concede, management is fired, and every victim gets compensated is zero chance.

At some point more details will come out in terms of sexual misconduct and frequency of misconduct. Everyone has read in these complaints everything from men trying for hookups to some kind of cube crawl where it sounds like dudes are secretly looking up womens skirts on a regular basis. These are specific accusations. And when grilled will require specific people named and proof (victim and accused and timing).

We'll have to see how true and often all these things happened and how much Activision management an HR have been proved to kick back and do nothing.

 

[Shmunter]

So here’s the risk to all this. Cube Crawls depicted here as sexual harassment against women are now being clarified by insiders to be a silly game partaken by both men and women.

It’s very possible it made some feel uneasy due to the conduct being out of the ordinary. But due to omission and presenting only part of the facts in-proportionally magnifies that one part.

While on balance heads need to roll, always be conscious of waving the torch and pitchfork based on selective glimpses inducing outrage.

 

[Velius]

So here’s the risk to all this. Cube Crawls depicted here as sexual harassment against women are now being clarified by insiders to be a silly game partaken by both men and women.

It’s very possible it made some feel uneasy due to the conduct being out of the ordinary. But due to omission and presenting only part of the facts in-proportionally magnifies that one part.

While on balance heads need to roll, always be conscious of waving the torch and pitchfork based on selective glimpses inducing outrage.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. Exaggerating or being otherwise dishonest in order to obtain an outcome they've determined to be righteous. And maybe the desired outcome is just, but it might not work out if the means are discovered to be warped

 

[ManaByte]

Activision Blizzard employees call leadership response to harassment suit ‘abhorrent and insulting’

More than 800 employees have signed an open letter to leadership

www.polygon.com

 

[Sony]

It's very easy to undermine and minimize all the claims that have been made. From what I've read, I wouldn't want my wife, sister, daughter or mother to work in a place like that. And that reaction from Acti-BLizzard.. yikes.

 

[Kenpachii]

Activision Blizzard employees call leadership response to harassment suit ‘abhorrent and insulting’

More than 800 employees have signed an open letter to leadership

www.polygon.com

I think this is a good example of why bliz needs a reboot.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So the cube crawls were actually a cheesy game by both sexes? LOL. Did the insiders say if it was done once or many times?

If this is true, so much for the oppressive dudebro culture. The early reports made it sound like horny guys rampaging on their knees looking up womens legs when they felt like it.

 

[AJUMP23]

What a dumb reason to commit suicide over. She should have been happy her nudes were passed around by all the dudes in the office.

Sorry but I see nothing "fucked up" here.

I the world of bad takes, this is probably the worst I have seen.

 

[Lupingosei]

What the fuck happened to him?

That is what happens, when you stay within your echo chamber for too long.

 

[Shmunter]

So the cube crawls were actually a cheesy game by both sexes? LOL. Did the insiders say if it was done once or many times?

If this is true, so much for the oppressive dudebro culture. The early reports made it sound like horny guys rampaging on their knees looking up womens legs when they felt like it.

Even looking at some statements about things like men drinking alcohol on the job *gasp*. This would imply that women never drank, and it turns out the alcohol was made available to all employees by the company in a bar.

Dudes playing Call of Duty on the job…hello, the company makes the product, were they evaluating it in some way perhaps as part of their duty?

Sometimes it’s the omission to create a certain impression that gives away the game.

Apart from that, the company has 10,000 employees - that’s more than some towns. It’s literally a society - you are bound to get bad apples and bad situations statistically - does not mean it’s systemic or throughout.

Simply applying logic I don’t think this will go anywhere.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Even looking at some statements about things like men drinking alcohol on the job *gasp*. This would imply that women never drank, and it turns out the alcohol was made available to all employees by the company in a bar.

Dudes playing Call of Duty on the job…hello, the company makes the product, were they evaluating it in some way perhaps as part of their duty?

Sometimes it’s the omission to create a certain impression that gives away the game.

Apart from that, the company has 10,000 employees - that’s more than some towns. It’s literally a society - you are bound to get bad apples and bad situations statistically - does not mean it’s systemic or throughout.

Simply apply logic I don’t think this will go anywhere.

i've been to offsite meetings where after dinner a bunch of us go to a strip joint. And some females come along too. One even got up on a table dancing for laughs (she didnt take her shirt off, but I wish as she had a good bod). There were 3 men and 3 women. We all worked together.

Sounds like if word got out a group of us hit the rippers, some whiner would say 3 men went to a strip joint on company time.

 

[Velius]

That is what happens, when you stay within your echo chamber for too long.

Jesus christ he used to be, if admittedly biased to hell, aware of such partiality and a critical thinker-- he'd try to control for such things and give information, and muse about what was going on and based on musings what might happen.

That was just one long screech-a-thon. Is the wig a joke or is that a gender declaration or what?

 

[Lupingosei]

That was just one long screech-a-thon. Is the wig a joke or is that a gender declaration or what?

No, it is not. It is Jim Stephanie Sterling now.

And as a tip, in most of the internet they would already have you banned for even asking that question. Never ask such a question.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Jesus christ he used to be, if admittedly biased to hell, aware of such partiality and a critical thinker-- he'd try to control for such things and give information, and muse about what was going on and based on musings what might happen.

That was just one long screech-a-thon. Is the wig a joke or is that a gender declaration or what?

Pretty sure he's going by Jim Stephanie Sterling now, no sarcasm.

 

[rkofan87]

i unsub from jaffy after a vid he did on this what a whiner.

 

[Nobody_Important]

So here’s the risk to all this. Cube Crawls depicted here as sexual harassment against women are now being clarified by insiders to be a silly game partaken by both men and women.

It’s very possible it made some feel uneasy due to the conduct being out of the ordinary. But due to omission and presenting only part of the facts in-proportionally magnifies that one part.

While on balance heads need to roll, always be conscious of waving the torch and pitchfork based on selective glimpses inducing outrage.

Women participating in them does not mean there was no harassment going on nor does it excuse the behavior overall. It's not some magical "aha!" like you are pretending it to be.


And the cube crawls are only one small picture in this fucked up collage. Even if they were completely dismissed or had never happened there is still about a dozen other things to "wave the torch and pitchfork" over.

 

[Shmunter]

Women participating in them does not mean there was no harassment going on nor does it excuse the behavior overall. It's not some magical "aha!" like you are pretending it to be.


And the cube crawls are only one small picture in this fucked up collage. Even if they were completely dismissed or had never happened there is still about a dozen other things to "wave the torch and pitchfork" over.

I’m completely against cancel culture and are fully aware of how these things get weaponised…. Society deserves better than to go off the rails just on anecdotes and mare allegations. Simple omission are already red flags in all this.

But you go ahead and wave your torch and pitchfork at the first sign of anything.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I’m completely against cancel culture and are fully aware of how these things get weaponised…. Society deserves better than to go off the rails just on anecdotes and mare allegations. Simple omission are already red flags in all this.

But you go ahead and wave your torch and pitchfork at the first sign of anything.

Oh for the love of God this is not cancel culture.


Blizzard hasn't even denied that any of this has happened you donut. In fact it's the exact opposite they talk about how much they have changed everything and how some of these things happened a long time ago. Alex Afrasiabi who is one of the main names associated with the lawsuit very quietly left the studio after the state of California's investigation began. That's definitely not a coincidence. And then on top of that blizzard talks about how they've recently implemented all of these different things to help report sexual harassment within the workplace. Why would they do any of that if there was no sexual harassment going on?


So it's not just some allegations on Twitter. All of this comes as a result of a 2-year investigation from a state agency. You seriously think the state of California is going to take one of the largest game companies in the world to court over allegations that they can't prove?

 

[Shmunter]

Oh for the love of God this is not cancel culture.


Blizzard hasn't even denied that any of this has happened you donut. In fact it's the exact opposite they talk about how much they have changed everything and how some of these things happened a long time ago.


So it's not just some allegations on Twitter. All of this comes as a result of a 2-year investigation from a state agency. You seriously think the state of California is going to take one of the largest game companies in the world to court over allegations that they can't prove?

Ok, so if Activision is found not guilty of systematic gender inequality you’ll come back and retract your position, or your mind is forever made up no matter how this goes?

 

[Nobody_Important]

Ok, so if Activision is found not guilty of systematic gender inequality you’ll come back and retract your position, or your mind is forever made up no matter how this goes?

That depends. If this is somehow settles out of court before it goes the distance then no my mind will not change because they just money'd their way out of it and that proves nothing.



If the case actually goes the distance and they are able to prove every single allegation false then yes of course I will retract my statement.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Sounds like they watched wolf of wall street one to many times.

 

[Shmunter]

That depends. If this is somehow settles out of court before it goes the distance then no my mind will not change because they just money'd their way out of it and that proves nothing.



If the case actually goes the distance and they are able to prove every single allegation false then yes of course I will retract my statement.

So the literal contents of the suit don't raise any questions in your mind as to the motives here?

Allow me to quote part of the introduction....

"1......Sexism has plagued the male-dominated gaming industry for decades, and increasingly so in recent years. Women and girls now make up almost half of garners in America, but the gaming industry continues to cater to men, even in California."

"3. Unlike its customer-base of increasingly diverse players, Defendants' workforce is only about 20 percent women. Its top leadership is also exclusively male and white. The CEO and President roles are now- and have always been - held by white men."

Oh no, this simply won't stand!

Literally clown world. Tear down the patriarchy, cancel whiteness! I'm doing my part sort of stuff. Sheesh.

Any individuals hurt by other individuals or treated unfairly deserve their justice. But this, this is a different thing altogether. I've seen some publications belittling Activision response making reference to 'no wonder companies are moving out of California'. But I think they are correct in correlating the bigger picture to this situation.

 

[Nobody_Important]

So the literal contents of the suit don't raise any questions in your mind as to the motives here?

Allow me to quote part of the introduction....

"1......Sexism has plagued the male-dominated gaming industry for decades, and increasingly so in recent years. Women and girls now make up almost half of garners in America, but the gaming industry continues to cater to men, even in California."

"3. Unlike its customer-base of increasingly diverse players, Defendants' workforce is only about 20 percent women. Its top leadership is also exclusively male and white. The CEO and President roles are now- and have always been - held by white men."

Oh no, this simply won't stand!

Literally clown world. Tear down the patriarchy, cancel whiteness! I'm doing my part sort of stuff. Sheesh.

Any individuals hurt by other individuals or treated unfairly deserve their justice. But this, this is a different thing altogether.

No I don't care about your bizarre obsession over the language used. I care about the content of the allegations and what happened. I couldn't care less about how it's said. I care about what was done.


The fact you care more about how the lawsuit is worded than the allegations it contains is insane to me.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So the literal contents of the suit don't raise any questions in your mind as to the motives here?

Allow me to quote part of the introduction....

"1......Sexism has plagued the male-dominated gaming industry for decades, and increasingly so in recent years. Women and girls now make up almost half of garners in America, but the gaming industry continues to cater to men, even in California."

"3. Unlike its customer-base of increasingly diverse players, Defendants' workforce is only about 20 percent women. Its top leadership is also exclusively male and white. The CEO and President roles are now- and have always been - held by white men."

Oh no, this simply won't stand!

Literally clown world. Tear down the patriarchy, cancel whiteness! I'm doing my part sort of stuff. Sheesh.

Any individuals hurt by other individuals or treated unfairly deserve their justice. But this, this is a different thing altogether.

I noticed that part too. That introductory is total horse shit trying to equate user base vs employee pool as if a skewed employee pool means discriminatory work practices.

Tons of career fields can skew to either men or women, but the customers are the general public (equal).

Thats like saying every company having to do with construction, engineering, technicians in vans fixing your internet and car makers are total sexist and bigot companies since the employees skew to guys.

And career fields like nursing and teaching and shopping mall clerks lean heavy to women. So every one of those companies are sexist environments against guys since there's more female workers.

In other words, those are false leaning claims trying to sway a decision.

That's like one neighbour accusing the guy beside him he owes him a new fence because he damaged it. Instead of showing facts he ruined it, the victim starts it off saying the neighbour is a rich doctor with lots of money to spare and new fences are pocket change, so he should be more inclined to pay up.

 

[Thesuffering79]

Isnt this just a cash grab by California that AB will not learn from? Why not prosecute?

 

[Nobody_Important]

Isnt this just a cash grab by California that AB will not learn from? Why not prosecute?

Well according to Blizzard they have learned from all the sexual harassment. They have sent out emails and everything. Even set up a hotline.

 

[Shmunter]

No I don't care about your bizarre obsession over the language used. I care about the content of the allegations and what happened. I couldn't care less about how it's said. I care about what was done.


The fact you care more about how the lawsuit is worded than the allegations it contains is insane to me.

???? Obsession over language? It's a legal document, it's contents are the foundation to the entire thing. I'm not quite sure there is anything left to discuss here.

 

[Nobody_Important]

???? Obsession over language? It's a legal document, it's contents are the foundation to the entire thing. I'm not quite sure there is anything left to discuss here.

Yes and you are focusing on the language instead of the allegations. You are making a bigger fuss over the "politics" than you are the potential victims.


And you are right I don't think there is anything to talk about.

 

[Shmunter]

Yes and you are focusing on the language instead of the allegations. You are making a bigger fuss over the "politics" than you are the potential victims.


And you are right I don't think there is anything to talk about.

You do know that the suit is about gender inequality / pay gap, not the 'frat boy culture' right?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You do know that the suit is about gender inequality / pay gap, not the 'frat boy culture' right?

Really? Didnt know that. Didnt read it in depth.

I thought the whole thing was about sexual harassment, horny guys and cube crawl culture.

So the California thing and all the female workers claiming sexual abuse are two separate issues? Or are victims trying to meld it into one giant issue?

 

[PayoLoko]

What the fuck happened to him?

Made myself the same question days ago... I think it's better not to ask

 

[Shmunter]

Really? Didnt know that. Didnt read it in depth.

I thought the whole thing was about sexual harassment, horny guys and cube crawl culture.

So the California thing and all the feel workers claiming sexual abuse are two separate issues? Or are victims trying to meld it into one giant issue?

Those headline grabbing, outrage inducing anecdotes are just there to set the scene. The suit is gender discrimination by a company.

 

[Nobody_Important]

You do know that the suit is about gender inequality / pay gap, not the 'frat boy culture' right?

I do. Does that mean we shouldn't care about the people who have been harassed? Should we not care about their experiences? Does that mean Blizzard shouldn't have any negative repercussions from all of this?



The court case is the smallest part of this. The player base and their own employees are furious over this. They were already mad because Blizzard took 8 months to release 9.1, the Warcraft remastered was shit, StarCraft is dead, and now they find out that while everything was going to shit there have been disgusting things going on behind the scenes. This is a very public black eye for Blizzard no matter how you try and slice it. So even if they somehow wriggle their way out of the court case without having to pay any extremely high fines they will still be dealing with this mess for years to come.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Those headline grabbing, outrage inducing anecdotes are just there to set the scene. The suit is gender discrimination by a company.

Interesting. And thanks for the info.

I got mislead myself.

I thought the two things were part of the same issue.

 

[treemk]

I'd like to see them relocate to Texas after this, pay to move the best employees, fire everyone else and rebuild. Its no wonder they have do many bad releases with the culture in that part of the country. People who were wronged should get justice in court not social media based off rumors and exaggerations. It doesn't matter how much you pander to these types, they will ALWAYS turn on you.

 

[Shmunter]

I do. Does that mean we shouldn't care about the people who have been harassed? Should we not care about their experiences? Does that mean Blizzard shouldn't have any negative repercussions from all of this?



The court case is the smallest part of this. The player base and their own employees are furious over this. They were already mad because Blizzard took 8 months to release 9.1 and now they find out that while the game was going to shit there have been disgusting things going on behind the scenes. This is a very public black eye for Blizzard no matter how you try and slice it.

Of course we should care about people. Part of caring about people is being conscious of the potential collateral damage to those around the matter. Fact finding and due process before pulling the trigger on what may be frivolous till proven otherwise.

That’s the entire point.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Of course we should care about people. Part of caring about people is being conscious of the potential collateral damage to those around the matter. Fact finding and due process before pulling the trigger on what may be frivolous till proven otherwise.

That’s the entire point.

We already know it's not frivolous though. Blizzard has said that many of the cases they are talking about are from years ago and that they have already implemented changes.


That literally means that at least SOME of this is true and that Blizzard has been trying to stamp it all out as quietly as they can. So the anger is completely justified.

 

[CGiRanger]

Really? Didnt know that. Didnt read it in depth.

I thought the whole thing was about sexual harassment, horny guys and cube crawl culture.

So the California thing and all the female workers claiming sexual abuse are two separate issues? Or are victims trying to meld it into one giant issue?

The video I put up earlier showed that the meat of this lawsuit as described on the first page is about pay equity, and the abuse and harassment stuff are added on for effect. None of this means it didn't happen, but the anecdotes in the document are clearly carefully worded.

Also the pay gap page is a joke because they show the Chief People Officer who's a woman makes less than the CEO, CFO and COO. Which is like, yeah, she would make less than them (it's clear it's there to show Bobby Kotick's abnormally large salary).

And yeah, this is not a sexual harassment suit.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

We already know it's not frivolous though. Blizzard has said that many of the cases they are talking about are from years ago and that they have already implemented changes.


That literally means that at least SOME of this is true and that Blizzard has been trying to stamp it all out as quietly as they can. So the anger is completely justified.

No it does not mean it's true, companies react and put these things in all the time, many times proactively. Serious question, Have you ever done jury duty where you've actually been selected - because you seem to lead with complete feelings.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Nobody_Important]

No it does not mean it's true, companies react and put these things in all the time, many times proactively.

You seem to have missed the part where Blizzard said that some of the incidents listed were several years old and didn't even bother denying that they occured. So that means they happened. I'm not sure what is confusing about that for some of you here.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

You seem to have missed the part where Blizzard said that some of the incidents listed were several years old. So that means they happened. I'm not sure what is confusing about that for some of you here.

Did blizzard actually confirm that these implemented changes were a direct result of legal loss or mandate because of these incidents? I'm not defending them, simply stating that anyone can come with allegations and there is simply no way to ensure someone in your workplace won't create an incident at any time - irrespective of the trainings or plans.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Hell yeah. Keep the pressure on. Don't let the story go away. Make them actually do something and not hide behind cruddy public statements.

 

[Tg89]

Even aside from the sexual harassment allegations, all of it just seems like an awful company to work at. Forget where that story came from about the person who had to write an essay as to why they wanted to use their vacation days. What a joke...maybe because it's part of my compensation package? Seems like a classic example of one of those companies that says shit like "we're a family", "we work hard and play harder" and essentially want the to consume as much of your life as possible and be the main part of your identity.

 

[Kusanagi2086]

I gotta say as a 36 year old who remembers Bobby Kotick being on gamers shitlist since the 90's and what a real sack of shit he is, I am not surprised that they have been trying to cover up the shit that has happened at Blizzard.

I feel horrible for the women who have gone through this shit and hope they get some justice.

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

"we're a family", "we work hard and play harder"

Those two phrases are huge red flags when looking for a new employer lol, so cringe that people use those when advertising a job