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[HoosTrax]

Yup (unconfirmed):

I've never really associated "desert area" with inaccessible. Maybe only by land vehicle. You'd think that it'd be easy enough to paradrop some French troops to it or land a helicopter on it.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

I've never really associated "desert area" with inaccessible. Maybe only by land vehicle. You'd think that it'd be easy enough to paradrop some French troops to it or land a helicopter on it.

I think they meant easily accessible to emergency crews. Having to use air transport for everything isn't ideal.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

This is just horrible, 2 accident in two days possibly killing 160+ people, 3 over the last week with a possible combined death toll of 360+. This year has not been good for any one at all.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

What the fuck is happening with planes this week (And month, dammit)



While i'm not disputing that indeed, flying is still the safest way, you need to account for the amount of people-miles (Or perhaps people-hours) that every travel way does. While cars are still the most dangerous transport method, the blowout statistics mainly come out of the fact that most travelling is done on cars.

At least you have a chance of surviving a car crash. You statistically have zero chance of surviving a plane crash unless it's in a jungle or maybe in the ocean.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

At least you have a chance of surviving a car crash. You statistically have zero chance of surviving a plane crash unless it's in a jungle or maybe in the ocean.

...it's like you didn't even read the last page.

 

[RumblingRosco]

At least you have a chance of surviving a car crash. You statistically have zero chance of surviving a plane crash unless it's in a jungle or maybe in the ocean.

Are you just making shit up, or do you have actual facts to support this claim?

EDIT: Get 'em, Crab!

 

[CoolOff]

I get that there haven't been an abnormal amount of incidents this year (apparently the opposite compared to 2010), but the amount of crashes killing 100+ has to be among the highest ever during a single year? 3 so far, with one killing 60 right in between two of them.

2013: 0
2012: 1
2011: 0
2010: 2
2009: 3
2008: 1

Mentally, I think the three-figured numbers are incredibly powerful.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Are you just making shit up, or do you have actual facts to support this claim?

EDIT: Get 'em, Crab!

Yeah thats not true. The plane that landed in the Hudson was technically a crash, and they all survived. It just depends how many engines are blown out and other factors that can soften the landing. If the plane has any power left to pull up just a bit before impact, that could save lives. If its a complete freefall from 30,000 feet, then his claim is probably right. Just depends on the condition of the plane before crash.


edit: That table has factual information and all, but I don't like how they stopped the data just before 2001. Makes it seem like they had an agenda.

 

[laoni]

...it's like you didn't even read the last page.

And in the document itself:

Almost 96% of people survive an incident in the air
For a major crash, 46% of the time, 80%+ survive
Crashes where everyone dies are rare, and the outliers

 

[And_Gignac]

Mariela Castro was a huge LGBT activist

RIP to her and all the other passengers.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

List of Nationals in the plane.

51 French
27 Burkina Faso nationals
8 Lebanese
6 Algerians
5 Canadians
4 Germans
2 Luxemburg nationals
1 Swiss
1 Belgium
1 Egyptian
1 Ukrainian
1 Nigerian
1 Cameroonian
1 Malian

 

[JJDinomite]

How people can ride planes without any fear is beyond me

 

[Ovid]

Most of the time it's not one person though, it's two. Two and an autopilot that is used extensively.

Pretty much the entire flight is on autopilot except takeoff and landing.

 

[PeskyToaster]

How people can ride planes without any fear is beyond me

How can people drive cars without fear? At least trained professionals fly planes. The only thing between you and death in the car is your own dumb ass and the teeming masses of humanity, a majority of which are dumbasses.

 

[WayneMorse]

16:29: Pablo Esparza, BBC Mundo

Sources from the National Center for Sexual Education (CENESEX), where Mariela Castro is the director, said to BBC Mundo that she is taking part in an event in Havana.

So she's not dead.

 

[Shalashaska]

How people can ride planes without any fear is beyond me

I only get bothered flying over water, I don't want to get eaten by sharks if we crash ;_;

 

[Tom Nook]

Really sad this happened.

I have family who rides planes frequently.

 

[Shredderi]

For fucks sake, more of these? Depressing to say the least.

 

[FStop7]

Now this is getting ridiculous, if its an airbus A320 the weather can't bring her down. These are built to handle typhoon type of weather.

Its either a mechanical failure or it was shoot down by someone, the latter is very unlikely since no one in the region have the necessary equipment.

It's never just one thing, it's a chain reaction.

 

[wildfire]

My heart goes out to the families who will be affected by this turn of events.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

So I guess I was wrong, that's on me. My impression's been tainted by the recent crashes I suppose.

Still, if crashes where all the survivors die are outliers, it's just very odd that this year is filled with outliers.

 

[JJDinomite]

How can people drive cars without fear? At least trained professionals fly planes. The only thing between you and death in the car is your own dumb ass and the teeming masses of humanity, a majority of which are dumbasses.

Professionals still make mistakes though

 

[CTLance]

Man, my condolences.

Four Germans, again. We're nothing if not consistent.

There might still be hope that maybe some passengers have survived the crash, depending on the landing. Hope they get emergency services there ASAP.

 

[laoni]

How people can ride planes without any fear is beyond me

I've been flying regularly for 15+ years now, and the worst that's ever happened to me has been I hit my head on the roof when we hit an air pocket once, so it's something I've grown up with since I was a child. Driving scares me more, tbh.

 

[KHarvey16]

It just doesn't make sense. Following the same logic, we could argue that the Apollo missions were safer than driving in a car.

How does using time instead of distance modify that conclusion?

 

[Ahasverus]

Amy data on survivors? Perhaps?

 

[PeskyToaster]

Professionals still make mistakes though

They are better equipped to handle things when they go wrong though. Which is why so few die during plane crashes. Until recently it seems, but that's a psychological bias working against rationality. I think it is this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

 

[Alebrije]

When a plane crash there is some kid of side effect in the pilots so you can expect some planes also crash days after the first crash.

It seems this is happening now.

 

[King_Moc]

When a plane crash there is some kid of side effect in the pilots so you can expect some planes also crash days after the first crash.

It seems this is happening now.

This doesn't explain it crashing in mid flight. That's all automated, it just has to remain at 30,000ft and turn very slightly sometimes.

 

[Respect]

Terrible news for all involved.

I just heard the news from a co-worker and her next line was:

"Can you say, World War 3?"

I think my mind just boggled trying to comprehend that line of reasoning.

 

[MNC]

When a plane crash there is some kid of side effect in the pilots so you can expect some planes also crash days after the first crash.

It seems this is happening now.

This would almost indicate a never ending sequence

 

[JJDinomite]

This would almost indicate a never ending sequence

Maybe it works that way in gaming. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 was so bad, it created an eternal spiral of sequels

 

[Arkanius]

Cuba said Castro was alive.
So there are survivors it seems.

 

[xbhaskarx]

what is with plane crashes nowadays. two days ago a 17 year old and his father died when their plane crashed into the pacific ocean. they were trying to beat a round the globe world record:

Indiana teen pilot dies on around-world flight

If he isn't dead the father should be charged with child endangerment.
Just five seconds in this video his teenage kid sprays gasoline all over a pile of equipment... clearly the kid is ready to fly around the world!

 

[Mac_Lane]

Cuba said Castro was alive.
So there are survivors it seems.

Well, apparently she just was not on the plane.

 

[The Lamonster]

When a plane crash there is some kid of side effect in the pilots so you can expect some planes also crash days after the first crash.

It seems this is happening now.

huh?

 

[Broder Salsa]

Mariela Castro was a huge LGBT activist

RIP to her and all the other passengers.

Cuban TV says she wasn't on it.

 

[Sickboy007]

How does using time instead of distance modify that conclusion?

By using time they'd be statistically far more dangerous (which they are, obviously).

 

[FTF]

This is just horrible, 2 accident in two days possibly killing 160+ people, 3 over the last week with a possible combined death toll of 360+. This year has not been good for any one at all.

Yup, just horrible. RIP to the deceased and condolences to the families.

 

[KHarvey16]

By using time they'd be statistically far more dangerous (which they are, obviously).

Measuring deaths?

 

[Sickboy007]

Measuring deaths?

Deaths and life-threatening accidents, yes.

 

[KHarvey16]

Deaths and life-threatening accidents, yes.

But no one was killed going to the moon. How do you define a life threatening accident in either case?

 

[Sickboy007]

But no one was killed going to the moon. How do you define a life threatening accident in either case?

Apollo 1. As for life threatening accidents, I think a severe failure such as the one on the Apollo 13 would qualify. That's the same metric used on those statistics on plane flights, I imagine.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

This is how the world ends, isn't it? Damn. Not like this, GAF. Not like this.

 

[KHarvey16]

Apollo 1. As for life threatening accidents, I think a severe failure such as the one on the Apollo 13 would qualify. That's the same metric used on those statistics on plane flights, I imagine.

Apollo 1 wasn't transporting anyone anywhere. And how do you quantify life threatening accidents in regards to automobiles? By the definition used to include Apollo 13 you would need to track car problems and near misses that don't result in injury or death.

 

[mckmas8808]

By using time they'd be statistically far more dangerous (which they are, obviously).

You talking about cars right?

 

[Sickboy007]

Apollo 1 wasn't transporting anyone anywhere. And how do you quantify life threatening accidents in regards to automobiles? By the definition used to include Apollo 13 you would need to track car problems and near misses that don't result in injury or death.

Oh vey, Apollo 1 (even that test flight) was part of the Apollo missions, which is what I was talking about. Besides, even if you move the goalpoast, if I start my car and the engine explodes, it's still a vehicular accidental death.

 

[oatmeal]

I'm waiting to board my plane right now.

They say the best time to fly is immediately after a crash, but when there is a crash every day...

 

[marrec]

I'm waiting to board my plane right now.

They say the best time to fly is immediately after a crash, but when there is a crash every day...

It's always the best time to fly!

 

[KHarvey16]

Oh vey, Apollo 1 (even that test flight) was part of the Apollo missions, which is what I was talking about. Besides, even if you move the goalpoast, if I start my car and the engine explodes, it's still a vehicular accidental death.

But at 0 time travelled your chosen metric is rendered useless.