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AMD: Radeon 7900XTX ($999) & 7900XT ($899) Announced | Available December 13th
HeisenbergFX4
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b0uncyfr0
Member
Hmm, it holds up nicely.
HeisenbergFX4
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
Yeah looks fairly impressive actually
TrebleShot
Member
I want it, but I almost definitely won't be able to get one tomorrow, UK will be shafted.
Ill certainly try.
Ill certainly try.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Just posting stuff to watch until official reviews 
Kataploom
Gold Member
Are these official/confirmed/true?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Not official no so grain of salt types of thing here
No. There's a small cottage industry of making these fake YouTube comparison videos. Unless the channel shows they actually physically have the card you should assume it's fake.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Well, even if they were not fake, I wouldn't take them seriously since they're using Intel CPU, so no SAM = -10% to -20% less performance for AMD GPU
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Just posting stuff to watch until official reviews
All with RT on???
//DEVIL//
Member
No they are fake . Just people changing the name in the editor to 7900xtx and calling it a day . Never trust these videos
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I wouldn't put a lot of faith into them since they are not official but hoping these numbers are close to final
20% would be an extreme outliner. TechSpot shows +3% aggregate. And even then Resizable Bar is not an AMD exclusive feature. So Intel or AMD CPU doesn't matter.
Buggy Loop
Member
This. Still not sure why these channels aren’t banned. We had similar fake videos a couple of days ago.
No presentation from someone? No show of the card? Fake
It’s easy to make a video and show estimated figures
Imagine thinking intel doesn't have rebar with how imprtant it is for arc gpus, guess he never bother looking into those.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I've seen benchmarks with some game up to 20% gains, most being ~10% or less, but yeah... Didn't know it could be activated on Intel tho
supernova8
Banned
Same thing with channels posting fake smartphone camera comparisons. I agree and I also think a lot of those comments are fake and/or paid for filler to make the video seem authentic.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Those other channels may have been faked but numbers look really close to what the actual reviews are showing
Dr.D00p
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SportsFan581
Member
Performance seems okay. At least they moved performance forward at the price point, even if only by 20-40% (depending on the game). 3090 levels of RT performance isn't bad for a AMD card either.
SportsFan581
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Kazekage1981
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Kazekage1981
Member
Rumors and my prediction was right. Its a decent card after all
TrebleShot
Member
Where is best to buy this piece of ugly fucking plastic in the UK.
Buggy Loop
Member
This one? : Close to 4090 in rasterization
How far back are we looking here? Rumors were wild and so off. Remember 4GHz? Multi-GCD? I kept expectations in check in EVERY threads and peoples didn't like it. Some prefer to live in lalaland than basing expectations on known semiconductor limits. I only have known team red since ATI Mach series. I know the AMD hype cycle.
I recall sizing the 4080 exactly where it landed with 7900XTX that we see today, before 4080 reviews were out, and got called all sort of names for it. All these "up to" extrapolations that were made on conference day, I said it would bite them on the ass, and it did. Peoples had this thing at spitting distance of a 4090, with AMD strangely omitting the comparison. It didn't happen until later that they lowered expectations with the 4080, but even then, peoples were still putting right in the middle of 4080 and 4090.
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SportsFan581
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On thing is for sure after seeing these numbers, there is no way that Nvidia can realistically launch the 4070ti at $899.
b0uncyfr0
Member
It certainly put's alot of pressure on NV, which is what we need.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
So it is a good card that makes paying another 20% for a 4080 a hard pill to swallow. But then again the 4090 makes paying 1200 for the 4080 just as hard. Fucking Nvidia. If people still buy 4070Tis at 900, things will continue to get worse each gen.
Gen.Grievous
Member
If people don't buy a 4080 at 1200 they for sure aint buying a 4070 Ti for 900. The lower in the stack the more price conscious people get.
Shame only the 7900 XTX matches the 4080 because that means that the price of the 4080 doesn't need to drop as much.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Doesn't need to drop at all as long as the 4080 tops it in RT performance, thats their selling point
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I think that is the big takeaway here. The 4080 and 4090 are kings, but anything lower in the stack is going to look like a bad value.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
2-5% in raster according to HU and Techpowerup.
So very close performance in raster. You also get significantly better RT with the 4080, DLSS which is a bit better than FSR and frame generation in supported games and better drivers. 7900 XTX is $200 cheaper and has 8GB of additional RAM and is a tad faster in rasterization. The 4080 is a slightly better product but not 20% better, more like 10%.
The problem is that it's the same story as before. AMD releases an inferior product and their only saving grace is the lower price point. They need to release something at least as good at a similar or lower price to gain market share.
I'm not expecting the 7900 XTX to sell very well. People aren't keen to shell out $1000 for what is the "budget" brand. The 7900 XT is just bad all around.
The real battle will be in the $200-$500 range aka where most people buy. AMD has a chance to release a better product at a similar or lower price there.
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b0uncyfr0
Member
And there's the problem - the 4080 is 1600 euros ($1700) on the numerous amazons. That's nuts!
It wont be near 1200 anytime soon.
Gen.Grievous
Member
1200 does not include VAT. Which is about 20-25% depending on the country. The 4080 FE is for sale right now for around 1400 euro in plenty of EU countries (Germany, Netherlands, Austria, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy).
Don't get me wrong. It's still a shitty price but it won't be that far off the XTX.
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Sanepar
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4080 is a better deal imo. Because of dlss3 with frame generation.2-5% in raster according to HU and Techpowerup.
The 4080 is 16-17% faster in RT.
So very close performance in raster. You also get significantly better RT with the 4080, DLSS which is a bit better than FSR and frame generation in supported games and better drivers. 7900 XTX is $200 cheaper and has 8GB of additional RAM and is a tad faster in rasterization. The 4080 is a slightly better product but not 20% better, more like 10%.
The problem is that it's the same story as before. AMD releases an inferior product and their only saving grace is the lower price point. They need to release something at least as good at a similar or lower price to gain market share.
I'm not expecting the 7900 XTX to sell very well. People aren't keen to shell out $1000 for what is the "budget" brand. The 7900 XT is just bad all around.
The real battle will be in the $200-$500 range aka where most people buy. AMD has a chance to release a better product at a similar or lower price there.
GreatnessRD
Member
Fake frames? Gross...
Anyhoo, it appears my Microcenter will have 20 7900 XT's and 25+ 7900 XTX. I might check the Microcenter discord to see if they have a line.
Kazekage1981
Member
Have to see how FSR 2.2 and 3.0 do on these new RDNA 3 and old RDNA 2 cards. Will the fine wine mantra hold up for team red?
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This is a hardware problem. It will require a retape, hence RDNA 3+. Those cards are fucked. Watch as N32 chips make the top-tier N31 cards look like garbage.
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Buggy Loop
Member
Holy shit, if it’s hardware related, and I mean it’s most likely, why wouldn’t AMD know about it or inform press before review embargo.. if it’s not fixable until RDNA 3+, yikes, must not be fun to be in the engineering team over there in the past months when they sort of caught on that it’s a problem.
There’s no way AMD doesn’t know this for a long time. We’re fumbling around with 3rd party tools to figure out what’s going on, they don’t, they see everything.
twilo99
Member
That sucks.
twilo99
Member
Holy shit, if it’s hardware related, and I mean it’s most likely, why wouldn’t AMD know about it or inform press before review embargo.. if it’s not fixable until RDNA 3+, yikes, must not be fun to be in the engineering team over there in the past months when they sort of caught on that it’s a problem.
There’s no way AMD doesn’t know this for a long time. We’re fumbling around with 3rd party tools to figure out what’s going on, they don’t, they see everything.
That’s what I was thinking too, no way they didn’t know, so why ship broken hardware