DoubleClutch
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Even in his video the guy turned textures down to Low to avoid VRAM limitations. He’s full of crap.
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AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, available as soon as late January.
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Even in his video the guy turned textures down to Low to avoid VRAM limitations. He’s full of crap.
SonGoku
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Yeah i guess with DLSS set to performance at 1440p it could max out settings at playable framerates as wellNvidia’s own marketing material benchmarks the 4070 against 1440p. It is certainly not a 1080p card.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Family Graphics Cards
GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, RTX 4070 SUPER, RTX 4070 Ti, and RTX 4070www.nvidia.com
SonGoku
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I know because i just played Indy recently at UW1080p and was reaching 12GB utilization with DLSS balanced before i turned down textures 2 notches (supreme, ultra) to high. At 1080p i guess its not much of an issue
But for a 5070 that could easily max this game at 1440p using DLSS Quality you shouldn't have to turn down textures
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
And that’s with 12GB no less! My 8GB 3070 struggled with anything over medium 1080p DLSS, yet could easily have ran more if it had more VRAM.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Agree.
Bry0
Member
Oh duh, I skipped right over the “xfx” like 5 times. So many x’sHe mentioned that already on the previous page
AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, available as soon as late January.
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SonGoku
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Yep at 4k when maxing settings in the latest path traced games with frame gen 16GB is not enough i think i read even 24GB was not enough on wukong or some other game without turning down some setting.
Which is a bit shitty for the 5080 considering its really a nice card for 4k and the price is to performance its decent, hopefully the Super variants use 3GB modules and dont take too long to release
Unknown Soldier
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XFX RadeonX RX X9700XT XXX Edition TurboXOh duh, I skipped right over the “xfx” like 5 times. So many x’s
AMD's GPU division has never found a way to name a product without too many X's and that has gone all way the way back to the ATI days. I remember when I was still able to buy ATI Radeon X1900XTX, those were the days of high adventure. I respect Nvidia for not using X's anymore in any of their naming schemes and they really haven't for more than a decade now
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StereoVsn
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Yeah, we have all been conditioned too well by Nvidia to now consider a $550 card as low end, which is ridiculous.
A card that costs that much in 2025 has no excuse or business to have only 12GB of VRAM.
Rickyiez
Member
Nahh it's not . Why are you guys kept exaggerating VRAM usage, it's not even more than 12GB in Full RT (PT) at 4k and without DLSS . Stop spreading false information and don't mistake VRAM allocation with VRAM usage please
SonGoku
Member
Nahh it's not . Why are you guys kept exaggerating VRAM usage, it's not even more than 12GB in Full RT (PT) at 4k and without DLSS . Stop spreading false information and don't mistake VRAM allocation with VRAM usage please
I was not sure, which is why i prefaced it with "I think I read" and "Wukong or some other game"
BTW from TPU they claim 13.5 GB at 4K with PT + Frame Generation
Maybe its this what i was remembering https://pcoptimizedsettings.com/ind...e-optimization-best-graphics-settings-for-pc/
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Bojji
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You can find benches for every PT game.
Isn't wukong tested in raster here and cyberpunk with hybrid RT (the one it launched with) and not PT?
Hawk The Slayer
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A card with 16GB Vram card at a lower price point than the RTX 5070 and around the same performance would be ideal. After that I just hope I can use the card for many years without it breaking since I'm not the type that upgrades every year or even every few years. Been using my GTX 1070 for 8 years + now.
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llien
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So, that is... nearly 5 games, right? Amazing.
I know that:
1) very very NV sponsored quake RT (and that marbles demo) exist
2) Quake is said to be just RT, but it isn't (a lot of "tricks")
3) With even something as primitive as Q using so many tricks, there is no f*cking way of running anything even remotely complex like that
4) Only one of 4+ steps needed to "RT" is using "RT cores". The rest is good old shaders, a very very vendor specific optimizations are possible
What makeს the handful of games that you have mentioned "PT" and not "RT"?
Do they run on "PT cores"?
Or is it another bunch of "Control" scheisse, just "tessellation incident" levels of "creative"?
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llien
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AMD's market share maxed in Fermi times.
AMD's halo product back then was a mid range card.
It was naïve to think vendors lose technical capability to roll out oversize chips to compete at high end.
It is outright dumb to think so after 6000 series.
It is, thanks.
I'm in "spitzenverdiener" from day 1, and I was very young back then.
I'm sorry for the green butthurt caused.
I hope new, very very improved FG (amazing tech) will help heal it.
That's good to know, dude.
F5 for respect!.
How is "8k gaming with 3090" going, citizen?
Jeez, people... )))))
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SonGoku
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It doesn't say but judging by the RTX 4080S low 32 and 33 fps i assumed it was full path tracing
Would be very disappointing if 9700XT doesn't do RT as good at the 4070Ti
Crayon
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Seems like asking a lot of a card that is way cheaper.
SonGoku
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The RTX 5070 will be roughly on par with the 4070 Ti i think
Crayon
Member
That's a good generational uplift but what I'm thinking about is how far behind amd is/was. RDNA3 actually wasn't doing too bad in the light loads but anything over that it was falling behind nvidia pretty bad. AMD would have to make a huge leap. Maybe they can do it, who knows. But as I've said before, the RDNA3 rumors were getting out of control (too optimistic about almost everything) right up to the announcement.
SonGoku
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Agreed, I was expecting the underwhelming results from AMD before the latest rumor got me hyped.
Radical_3d
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Kinda old games. But that non XT card looks overkill to play Civ VII max.Leaked benchmarks 9070 XT and 9070.
Looks in line with other leaks
SolidQ
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it's december tests, perfomance now better with drivers
Unknown Soldier
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Civ7 is launching day 1 on Switch with other platforms so we know it will run on potatoes
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Radical_3d
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But I want all the sparkles… Might pass on upgrading that old PC and buy it for console (I know, I know…)
SolidQ
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FingerBang
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Both cards should beat their competitors in raster and be behind in RT. It all comes down to pricing.vs RTX 4070ti super and 4080. Final Driver can add 5%.
A 9070xt at $600 would be really good (literally 4080 performance at half the launch price). At $500 it would disrupt the market.
The 9070 should probably be $100 cheaper.
But leave it to AMD to fuck up every chance they get to gain market share.
SolidQ
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I was compare AMD RT result's with 4080. Wukong like 4080 win by 1-2fps, C2077 RT ultra 4080 win by 2 fps
DenchDeckard
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XFX and sapphire
Cards are 100% delayed and AMD doesn't have a release date at present
The 5070 and 5070 ti thing must be true imo
llien
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What thing?
PeteBull
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It all depends on cards pricepoint, for 500$ gpu, or hell even 800$ like 5070ti its plenty, for 5080 that is 1k usd that should be 24gigs assuming that gpu will be used to play at 4k and we wanna keep it minimum 2gens of gpu so 5-6years.
If theoretically 5060 costs 300usd and has 12gigs, its perfectly fine for 1080p gaming, but 12gigs 5070 at 550$ is not enough for 1440p gaming for next 5-6years.
FingerBang
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I watched the video by MLID and he said it's a mixed bag. Some games get closer to a 4080, but it looks like it might be more in the ballpark of the 4070ti, which is still great.
I'm happy to be wrong, but I expect the 2 cards to lose by a decent margin in RT vs 5070 and 5070ti
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SolidQ
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isn't 5070 is like 4070ti lvl in RT?
Based on Hitman 3 and F1 23 vs XTX, seems bandwidth starving.
Wonder if AMD gonna do refresh version with GDDR7 version, and add another 10-12% perf
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winjer
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ASUS confirms Radeon RX 9070 GPUs are 'coming soon', Greek retailer list January 23 availability - VideoCardz.com
AMD Radeon 9070 launch soon? Perhaps there is still an embargo, or there was an embargo. Clearly, something significant is or was planned for January 23/24. We previously reported on this date when XFX teased updates on the Radeon 9070 series shortly after CES 2025, where these cards were first...
videocardz.com
More retailers saying the launch is n the 23rd.
Let's just hope it's a real launch, with good availability, and not a paper launch like it was with the Intel B580.
FingerBang
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I'm not sure about that, but he compares the 9070xt to being around the same performance as 7900xtx in RT in the video. Talking about Nvidia, he says RT is between 4070 Super and 4070 Ti.
If the 5070 is about 4070ti in performance and RT, the 9070xt will probably perform worse in RT than the 5070, with the 5070ti being far ahead.
Timestamp below:
It's still a considerable gain that makes the card competitive with the previous generation, but it's safe to assume Nvidia is still ahead. We don't know by how much.
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SolidQ
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Wukong that same level?
LightRT RDNA3 can be easily with same level as ADA
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Wukong that same level?
Wukong Lumen?
SolidQ
Member
RT high
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
RDNA 3 matching Ada?
Black Myth: Wukong GPU Benchmark
Black Myth: Wukong is a new action RPG that's gained attention for its stunning visuals and intense combat. Today, we'll focus on GPU benchmarking to compare performance...
www.techspot.com
Where? RDNA 3 flagship is not surpassing ampere 3080 at RT medium
SolidQ
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Buggy Loop
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llien
Member
Even current gen doesn't lose "by a decent margin in RT". One needs to pick up that specific green sponsored thing to make a lame point. E.g. 7800XT is between 4060Ti and 4070 (it's the same pic across all resolutions):
And let me dig up the pricing for those at the moment. Germany:
4060Ti- 410 Euro
4070 (12GB, lol) - 550 Euro
7800XT - 490 Euro
So 7800XT wins vs oth even at RT perf/$ , even more so at raster.
PS
Is it claimed in all seriousness that in Jan 2025 we have AAA "fully path traced" games? Like, that BMW thing, for f*cking real? All that right after Quake RT (which resorts to gazillion of tricks). Amazing.
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MarV0
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What makes you think an AMD gpu scaled to 600W and $2000 price point couldn't match the 5090?
AMD isn't behind at all when it comes to hardware only blind fanboys believe that Nvidia is far ahead.
SolidQ
Member
They easily could surpass 5090 with RDNA4, but they calculate in lab, 5090 should be much higher perf, but for now until real test 5090 looks like RDNA3 v2
Bry0
Member
3gb chips too. Call it a 9075xtx or something and tack a few hundo on.
I would buy that coming from a xtx for better rt and full fsr4 even though it would only be slightly faster overall I think. Working on RDNA5 is probably higher priority then spending money refreshing these though.
Maybe if things go well they will se an opportunity though, who knows.
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