Thebonehead
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He's been caught out on fake ones before though
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AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, benchmarks now released (Up: Radeon 9000 series go on sale in late March)
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SolidQ
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it's real
SolidQ
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it's real from AMD slides(December)
NAVI48 XTX was projected to compete with XTX +-5%
NAVI48 XT with XT +-5%
The rest story just driver to take this perf
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Radical_3d
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So. You’re saying that a 650$ card is supposed to compete with what until last week was a 1.000$ card plus having more space taken for AI cores to run an acceptable upscaler…
Does Lisa Su have photos of the TSMC CEO with a horse or something?
Kataploom
Gold Member
I prob will and I don't think 5070 is gonna make it for me... I'd be surprised if they end up being kinda at the same level, AMd has to fuck it up too much for that
SolidQ
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We don't know price. to compete with 5080 they just need slap GDDR7 into NAVI48XTX, but will they do it?
5070 vanilla could be worse, than 4070S or same.
Add lower cache bandwidth and worse cache latency for blackwell
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FingerBang
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This is usually the norm with a node shrink. AMD had one, Nvidia didn't. The die size of the 5080 is 378, Navi 48 is 390 mm².
If something, AMD probably thought the 5080 would be the 5070ti instead (which would have been great), but was blindsided by Nvidia launching basically the same cards as last gen. So their 9070xt is now not a 5070ti competitor, but is close to the 5080.
I think this is the explanation that makes the most sense. I think they fucked themselves over by copying Nvidia's naming. If the rumors are true (and I think they are, we are in this situation).
RTX 5080 close in power to 9070XT
5070TI close in power to 9070
5070 close in power, probably to the 9060XT
5060ti close in power to 9060
Because of Nvidia selling us the same cards, they are now forced to price their products at a much lower price than before. I now understand what their problem is.
SolidQ
Member
sub 350
FingerBang
Member
I could only find about 390 online
AMD Navi 48 RDNA4 GPU for Radeon RX 9070 pictured, may exceed NVIDIA AD103 size - VideoCardz.com
AMD Navi 48 in real flesh The GPU is estimated at 390 mm². Navi 48, Source: Tom’s Hardware Tom’s Hardware captured photos of the tray holding AMD’s latest silicon. While AMD showcased various products during the CES 2025 keynote, the company’s executives decided to exclude any mention of RDNA4...
videocardz.com
Obviously chip size doesn't mean much in itself.
SolidQ
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because it's was calculate from screen. People who know, saying it's sub 350
Here also
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Radical_3d
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Then they’d probably price it around 900$ (10% less price for a 10% less performance).
SolidQ
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zero chance. itr's cheap sku's
FingerBang
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No one would buy that card at that price. Nvidia still has superior upscaling and ray tracing. AMD has now positioned their card as a xx70 competitor, it needs to compete in price as well. I think it will be 499 for the 9070 and 650 for the 9070xt.
They really fucked up with their naming, but that's great news for us
SolidQ
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in 5th series RT have regression, in some games
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FingerBang
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I would be surprised if AMD now matches Lovelace, but you're right that Blackwell doesn't seem to have any significant advantage.
We can only wait and see.
SolidQ
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that because Blackwell caches is meh, despite RT cores is improved, but they can fix caches in 6xxx series
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SolidQ
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Mlid at least give to us different slides, coreteks just pure speculation always
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FingerBang
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I think this guy is full of shit, usually, but this explanation is the one that makes the most sense to me.
Radical_3d
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That price for a 4080 tier card would be bananas. I don’t see it happening just because nothing good ever happens.
Kataploom
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What I'm fearing is that AMD thinks they have way too good of a deal and are discussing whether they should price pair with Nvidia, I can see AMD execs being divided probably due to AI data centers paying whatever anyway
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
haha
Do explain SolidQ the impact of that twitter benchmark for everyone, do so please
New power gating and RISC distribution of tasks in the pipeline
Now read this
Latency Testing is Hard (RDNA 3 Power Saving)
In a previous article, we compared Infinity Cache latency between the RX 7900 XTX, and the smaller RX 7600.
chipsandcheese.com
And come back to us with those huge dealbreaker differences and taking those values as a true benchmark without understanding all the hurdles into microbenching these architectures. I'll grab the popcorn.
BattleScar
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What that should tell you, is that you just like what he's saying.
Having watched this video, this is just pure speculation.
Jensen Huang, rebranded the 5070Ti into the 5080? To force AMD's prices lower? Lmao When the fuck would Nvidia ever sacrifice their 80 class GPU getting embarrassed by a cheaper "70" class GPU? That didn't happen with Ampere, where their costs were significantly smaller so they would have had way more room to clip their own margins, so why the hell would it happen now?
Radical_3d
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It’ll be the logical thing to do from a business perspective. Everything else is distilled hopium.
Kataploom
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FSR4 allegedly being very very good as per media outlet that tried it and also upscalers and other proprietary tech are not in every game, so you have to rely on other upscalers, mods, etc.
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FingerBang
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You're focusing on ONE thing in that video. I agree that Nvidia did not rebrand anything.
Bur I believe AMD expected the performance of the 5070ti to be in line with the 4080