Apple Event 8/7 - New Macs, not iPods
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Christopher
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I gotta order this I've held back my money just for this redesign!
SickBoy said:
Exactly. You might as well argue, why aren't they making them like 5mm thin? Wasted space! Personally, I like the updated design. The black border is a great idea - it masks things like the camera and infrared sensor, while making the whole unit seem a bit 'thinner' by reducing the perceived screen edge to computer edge.
Anyway, it probably I'm not sure about the states, but the equivalent 20" NZ models for the imac are NZ$800 (US$600) cheaper now.
So from what I can tell, to get the new designs, including new keyboard (slightly slower speed), for a lot less. Which is great!
Lord Error
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Some of them do. I know Logitech DiNovo Edge (that I mentioned earlier) does work. Or are you saying Apple's BT keyboards don't work? In that case, I didn't know Apple was making BT keyboards already, and you're probably right then, that would suck :\Dez said:
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
I think...no, I know I'm going to replace my current apfel Bt keyboard with this new one. It's perfect for using on the sofa 
miyamotofreak
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I wish I could just buy the 24 inch model and use that as a HDTV for a PS3.
Mario_Hugo
Lisa Edelstein's dad touched my private parts. True fact.
When the **** is apple going to allow me to attach foreign devices to a monitor. I would buy a new monitor, imac, anything - I can't stand that I can't connect a ****ing console to a monitor. I'd be much more inclined to a.)buy a console, b.)buy another mac.
tedtropy said:
tedtropy said:
You guys are not far off but the fact is that the HD generation was not aimed at our previous generation of games. Let me quote something that is very true.
Edit: Apple want's to make quiet and energy efficient computers that can still be powerful. I think going with the Radeon HD 2600 PRO is a no brainer if you look at those three points.
Chittagong
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They're manufacturing clones now,
v1 - iPhone site dude
v2 - iLife 08 site dude
they're getting closer!
v1 - iPhone site dude
v2 - iLife 08 site dude
they're getting closer!
Christ, the iMac is still a bad deal. Dell just updated their site:
This is what you get for $1299 (Canadian):
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&CS=cadhs1&l=en&OC=92004PD_F_1E
Intel® Core 2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB), english
Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT-DDR3
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
22 inch E228WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
For an extra few hundred bucks you can drop in a 8800GTS/GTX, and then you have a pretty godly quad-core monster machine.
This is what you get for $1299 (Canadian):
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&CS=cadhs1&l=en&OC=92004PD_F_1E
Intel® Core 2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB), english
Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT-DDR3
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
22 inch E228WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
For an extra few hundred bucks you can drop in a 8800GTS/GTX, and then you have a pretty godly quad-core monster machine.
Still don't see any OS X :lolaaaaa0 said:
The iMac is not made for performance freaks, that is the Mac Pro. Also where is the awesome screen? Where is the design? Where is the intergration? Where is my camera? Where is my FrontRow? Where is my IR Sensor? Where is my speakers? Where is my electricity effeciency? WHERE IS THE LOVE? :lol
I was missing some features so I thought let's spice up stuff and compare it with real features.
$2,177 for the Dell compared with $1,799.00 for 24" iMac. However that extra $378 will get you a Quad CPU, Equal graphic card, 2GB RAM, Extra big electricity bill, Lots of cables, Vista, Gaming mouse, Bad design, Bigass remote, Lack of extra fetures and intergration. Hope you enjoy your new Dell.
Edit: If you wonder about the setup it is.
pxleyes said:
That's the whole point of the irony.
They try to "artsied" it by bundle the monitor with the computer.
They should just tape the keyboard to that monitor, get rid of the stand, then they will have something... oh wait, people already thought of laptop.
So now you end up with a immobile desktop computer using laptop component.
That's like the combination of the worst of both world.
Get it ?
fanboy rant. you need more :lol for added effect.rezuth said:
first, it's stupid to compare an AIO to a traditional tower computer - you're trading sleekness for extensibility, efficiency (esp. power-wise) for brute-strength speed. as to the Mac OS X v. Vista difference, i'm not going to wade into that morass, since it's just going to devolve to a troll-fest with people at each other, not with.
onegoodlogan
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NO KIDDING I WISH IT LOOKED LIKE THISsedaku said:
PA-CHEW! PA-CHEW! LAZERS!
Christopher
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if you get the new iMac do you get leopard for free later on?
to be fair, why not likewise upgrade the iMac to its top end specs? and to make a point - there is a noticeable performance difference between a Nvidia 8600GT and a Radeon HD 2600 PRO.rezuth said:
Subtotal $2,199.00
* 2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme
* 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
* 320GB Serial ATA Drive
* SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* Apple Mighty Mouse
* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
* Accessory kit
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory
* 24-inch glossy widescreen LCD
* AirPort Extreme
* Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
spec-for-spec the Dell will always be a better hardware deal, that's not debatable. if you want to argue the merits of OS X or the industrial design of the machine, that's fine. but don't attempt to make the 24" iMacs into some amazing bargain. it isn't, unless you're jonesing for some OSX goodness
rezuth said:
No, that Dell I posted is $1299 (Canadian). Where are you getting $2,177 from?
YOU said:
Why do you need dual drives? The iMac only has a single.
Why do you need Vista Ultimate? Home Premium is fine.
Here's what I got:
$1799 (Canadian)
And the single biggest expense there is the 24" screen. If you can live with a 22" screen, you get a wayyyyy better deal for $1299 than the same priced 20" iMac.
Plus you get a QUAD CORE instead of a dual core on the iMac.
scorcho said:
Yup, in favor of the 8600GT (slightly).
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/24/hd_2600_and_geforce_8600/page4.html#benchmarks_results
Heh!onegoodlogan said:NO KIDDING I WISH IT LOOKED LIKE THIS
PA-CHEW! PA-CHEW! LAZERS!
Seriously, I don't understand the hate people have for Macs. Some people value style as much as functionality. Others don't.
Yes, you can usually get better value out of a PC. Unquestionably. But it's not all about value for all people.
Burger
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aaaaa0 said:
How many USB ports does the keyboard on your dell have ? Bluetooth and 801n ? iSight ?
You can nitpick all the details until the cows come home, but really, the biggest drawback with your Dell is that it runs Windows.
Of course you pay some sort of premium with a Mac, but you are forgetting about the software. Does your Dell come with dvd authoring software ? Garageband and iWeb ?
Seriously, your Dell won't come with software that even approaches the calibre of the stuff in OS X.
Definitely in straight spec-to-spec, you'd be foolish to suggest a Mac has anything on a PC.
The question, and the reason there is even a debate, is what the value of the Mac software, design and form-factor is.
To me, the design is a nice thing I don't place a lot of value in. Form factor, I like... but the software is really where my loyalties lie. A comparable Dell costs about $300 less than the low-end iMac (in Canada). Is the Mac worth $300 more to me?
It probably will be when it comes time to upgrade... especially since I can have the best of both worlds with Boot Camp (I've got a handful of PC programs I'll still want to use). So I can use the Windows stuff I do like, and also the Mac stuff I enjoy -- a lot of it packed in with the system.
The question, and the reason there is even a debate, is what the value of the Mac software, design and form-factor is.
To me, the design is a nice thing I don't place a lot of value in. Form factor, I like... but the software is really where my loyalties lie. A comparable Dell costs about $300 less than the low-end iMac (in Canada). Is the Mac worth $300 more to me?
It probably will be when it comes time to upgrade... especially since I can have the best of both worlds with Boot Camp (I've got a handful of PC programs I'll still want to use). So I can use the Windows stuff I do like, and also the Mac stuff I enjoy -- a lot of it packed in with the system.
Lazy vs Crazy
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GAF I need help.
I may be buying a macbook.
Is the extra $200 worth it for the extra 1.6ghz on the midrange macbook assuming I will never need to burn a DVD or use more than the standard 80 gig hard drive?
I may be buying a macbook.
Is the extra $200 worth it for the extra 1.6ghz on the midrange macbook assuming I will never need to burn a DVD or use more than the standard 80 gig hard drive?
Burger said:
No USB ports on my keyboard (unless I plug in one of my MS Ergo keyboards, in which case I'll have 2). But I don't care about that anyway.
Don't care about bluetooth, but if you really want it, you can get a $20 USB dongle.
Don't care about 802.11n, but if you really want it, you can get a $20 USB dongle.
Don't care about iSight either, but if you really want a webcam, I'm sure Logitech is willing to sell you a very nice one for a reasonable price.
That may be your perspective, but I don't hate Windows.
Sure, Vista has DVD Maker built in.
Don't care about either of those.
None of which I care about, since I'll be wiping the preload and installing clean, then putting my own stuff on it anyway.
Mario_Hugo said:
So don't buy an Apple monitor. It's not like you can't find panels that are just as good without Apple badging.
Also: I'm glad there was little to no focus on the iPod. After the media-fueled iPhone cricle-jerk, Apple will do damn well to just shut the hell up about the iPod for a few months.
onegoodlogan
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So why are you intent on turning this into yet another Mac VS. PC thread?aaaaa0 said:
onegoodlogan said:
I'd wager because ignoring the benefits of MacOS running on hardware it was specifically written for is a lot fun for some people.
Oh, and any company making a profit is evil, computers are only for gaming and those that can't run the bulk of them are useless and Apple's cases have nothing on Dell's Radiator design or whatever the hell Alienware used for their case design inspiration, like a Wurlitzer fucking an Edsel or something.
Just bought one for mum. I had a look a couple of weeks back and being that I'm out of the loop lately in computer things I checked the news and saw a revision was just around the corner. Just ordered the lowest 20" model for less money than the outgoing upper 17" model so I'm really pleased with that.
Wouldn't mind one myself actually - I'm still on a G4/400 AGP Graphics with a 1.2Ghz processor upgrade. But it gets the job done fine and it's full of hard drives so I think I'll hold off for another few years...
Wouldn't mind one myself actually - I'm still on a G4/400 AGP Graphics with a 1.2Ghz processor upgrade. But it gets the job done fine and it's full of hard drives so I think I'll hold off for another few years...
Phoenix
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aaaaa0 said:That's only if you care about OS X, which I don't.
Then you have lost the ability to compare. A computer is more, a LOT more than a collection of components that whirl and buzz when you turn the power on - so if you don't care about OSX, then you shouldn't care how much an OSX machine costs since you have no real basis to compare it to your Windows/Linux/Solaris/DOS rig.
Phoenix said:
Exactly.
Not trying to rag on anything in particular here - but if you care not for OS X, then of course your computer is going to look more attractive to you (aaaa0). For people like me, a streamlined, integrated OS is important - more so than small differences in specs.
Yes, Apple computers can cost a bit more -but it's not that much more, and nearly any difference is offset to many users by the software, useability out-of-the-box, and form factor. Different people value different things in their computers :O.
I value software, design (including low footprint), and use-ability.
You (aaaaO) obviously values specs and price.
(again, not saying that windows is not useable, or that it isn't decent software, just that I prefer to have software like iLife, and Mac OSx - so that overrides many spec differences).
mrkgoo said:
I totally agree. The best reason to use a Mac is OSX.
That doesn't change the fact that if you don't care to run OSX, then the announced iMacs are just objectively a bad deal.
Subjectively, things can be totally different, but then subjective stuff has never moved me to a degree that it does some others. That's fine, different people value different things.
To me, a computer is just a machine. It is not a lifestyle. It does not represent my "tastes", my "philosophy", or my "outlook on life".
Assuming the machine is adequately built, the electrons don't care if the case is made of brushed aluminum. The transistors do not care what logo is on the case. The hard disks do not find the integrated form factor of the machine pleasing.
You use the machine to run programs. Therefore the best computer is the one that runs the programs I want the fastest it can for the least amount of money.
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