Assassin's Creed: Shadows reaches 3 million players

A.Romero

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I really don't get why people want any game to fail. Games failing are bad for everyone because it makes the industry less attractive to investors. You don't like a game for whatever reason? That's fine, just don't play it.

Remember: Games doing well benefit everyone, even if they are not games you like.

Ubisoft is still in deep trouble (well deserved IMO) but a dead company cannot improve and I don't think we want even more consolidation, specially if it involves one of the largest publishers in the world. Ubisoft might live to fight another day.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
It's underperforming in sales based on the player numbers, but don't forget there's also mtx to consider. They could still break even from P2W.
Kinda sad for a SP game, but wouldn't be surprised seeing the shills for this game touting this a good thing.
 

calico

Member
I really don't get why people want any game to fail. Games failing are bad for everyone because it makes the industry less attractive to investors. You don't like a game for whatever reason? That's fine, just don't play it.

Remember: Games doing well benefit everyone, even if they are not games you like.

Ubisoft is still in deep trouble (well deserved IMO) but a dead company cannot improve and I don't think we want even more consolidation, specially if it involves one of the largest publishers in the world. Ubisoft might live to fight another day.

Woke games failing makes woke games less attractive to make and makes non-woke games comparatively more attractive to make. I don't think it's too complicated.
 
I really don't get why people want any game to fail. Games failing are bad for everyone because it makes the industry less attractive to investors. You don't like a game for whatever reason? That's fine, just don't play it.

Remember: Games doing well benefit everyone, even if they are not games you like.

Ubisoft is still in deep trouble (well deserved IMO) but a dead company cannot improve and I don't think we want even more consolidation, specially if it involves one of the largest publishers in the world. Ubisoft might live to fight another day.
Unfortunately in today's world people politicize everything and most of the ones that do are idiots and would laugh at their neighbors house burning down if they didn't agree with their point of view. Until of course it starts to happen to them and then they blame the neighbor for not putting out the fire sooner. You can't reason with individuals like that and they just want everyone but themselves to suffer even if at the end of the day it puts them in a worse position.
 
I really don't get why people want any game to fail. Games failing are bad for everyone because it makes the industry less attractive to investors. You don't like a game for whatever reason? That's fine, just don't play it.

Remember: Games doing well benefit everyone, even if they are not games you like.

Ubisoft is still in deep trouble (well deserved IMO) but a dead company cannot improve and I don't think we want even more consolidation, specially if it involves one of the largest publishers in the world. Ubisoft might live to fight another day.
To be honest I quite enjoyed seeing Concord and Dragon Age Veilguard flop. The less garbage, the better.
 
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DryvBy

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Same could be said for people who want it to fail and sell badly. That was most certainly mood around here before launch.

We know why they wanted it to fail. So why do so many specifically want this one to succeed?

Ubisoft's last few titles have flopped with people hating on them. No one cared about several other junk titles they came out with. So explain why this title is the hill to die on because I've never seen so many overly positive sunshine and roses gamers in my life.
 

JaxarGT

Member
I have little interest in this game (loved previous games except Valhalla) but I hope it does find the success Ubi needs. I have a long history of enjoying their games and don't want to see them fold.
 

yurinka

Member
"Justice is forged in the Shadows." lol

3 million “players” in the first week is a bad pace for a game with the budget of AC Shadows. It puts it on target for 6-7 million lifetime.

Also note that they dropped the language of it outpacing AC Odyssey and Origins, meaning this bloated mess is the slowest selling mainline AC title in recent history. We’re firmly in underperformance territory.
They are telling to you it's 2nd top grossing game on a series that sold over 180M copies and where have like way over half a dozen games that sold over 10 or 15M copies. It's only second against a game that sold more than 20M copies.

It isn't bad at all, it's performing very well.

Ubisoft is still in deep trouble
If they would be in trouble Tencent wouldn't have announced today that invest another billion on them and their yearly revenue wouldn't look like this:
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I hope the game sells well. I don't think it's great that they are using player numbers instead of sales but I don't think Ubisoft plus is that big so I doubt the actual sales are far off.

No one wants Ac to go away, we want it to be in better hands.

I'm personally fine with Ubisoft continuing with AC. They made Mirage which was focused more on stealth and in this one they forced more on stealth for one character. Valhalla had me worried but they came back around. Which they would do more outside\animus stuff like in the old games though.
 
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Nowa

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I really don't get why people want any game to fail. Games failing are bad for everyone because it makes the industry less attractive to investors. You don't like a game for whatever reason? That's fine, just don't play it.

Remember: Games doing well benefit everyone, even if they are not games you like.

Ubisoft is still in deep trouble (well deserved IMO) but a dead company cannot improve and I don't think we want even more consolidation, specially if it involves one of the largest publishers in the world. Ubisoft might live to fight another day.
Ubishit only makes garbage recycled games full of microtransactions. Besides that they force their aggressive political agenda in their games.

How does that help gaming at all? Maybe if it goes bankrupt it'll be a clear message that gamers don't want this trash.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Games doing well benefit everyone
No, not always. It depends on the game.

Games like Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3 doing well is great for everyone, as they set a high quality bar for the industry to follow, which will benefit players in the future because they'll get more of that.

Shit games with half-baked gameplay, full of MTX and with political agenda pushing doing well benefits who? Not me, that's for sure, because I don't want more games that play poorly and are full of MTX and political shit.
 

Rivdoric

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Ubishit only makes garbage recycled games full of microtransactions. Besides that they force their aggressive political agenda in their games.

How does that help gaming at all? Maybe if it goes bankrupt it'll be a clear message that gamers don't want this trash.

Seems like we're living in a time where $4000 gaming GPU and overconsuming micro-transactions for everything is now acceptable.

I concur with you, i find it absolutely dramatic that so many people are now deeming free-to-play kind of economical practices in paid solo player games as acceptable.

Yes woke is awful but still : The woke agenda is so secondary to me compared to how unbearable the first point has become.

They use casino like practices with premium currencies that make people forget they're spending real money, all on that on products played mostly by underage people.
"Owning" (lel) the complete content of a AAA ubisoft game requires you to spend hundreds and hundreds of money now with their premium cosmetics and other shit.

Really, this makes me sad.
 
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calico

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"Justice is forged in the Shadows." lol


They are telling to you it's 2nd top grossing game on a series that sold over 180M copies and where have like way over half a dozen games that sold over 10 or 15M copies. It's only second against a game that sold more than 20M copies.

It isn't bad at all, it's performing very well.


If they would be in trouble Tencent wouldn't have announced today that invest another billion on them and their yearly revenue wouldn't look like this:
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Ubisoft has lost ~80% of its value in the last few years. They have to keep selling chunks of the company to Tencent to keep the lights on.

Their problem is they have (or have had until recently) almost as many employees as EA and Nintendo combined and produce very little worthwhile to show for it.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Thats what yasuke actually failed to do, he surrendered to enemy general when his brothers in arms-japanese samurai were slaughtered in a fight vs overwhelming enemy and they killed themselfs to not lose honor- he surrendered like a lil bitch, no wonder since his whole "samurai life episode" was literally 14 fricken months, specific dates are in the wiki :p
That game really broke your brain.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
How’s Ubi celebrating peasant numbers like this for a marquee franchise when you have games like Palworld selling 7m copies in a week?
Many lack context, they'll see the big number and assume it's good.
 

yurinka

Member
Ubisoft has lost ~80% of its value in the last few years. They have to keep selling chunks of the company to Tencent to keep the lights on.
Their stock price drop is totally injustified and fabricated.

This is part of the reason of why they moved part of the company (and pretty likely will do it later with other parts) private, and at the end pretty likely will make the entire company private.

And no, they don't need to keep selling chunks of the company to keep the lights on when their revenue keeps growing year after year.

Their problem is they have (or have had until recently) almost as many employees as EA and Nintendo combined and produce very little worthwhile to show for it.
This never has been a problem, most years have been profitable despite to keep increasing their revenue. It is also pretty retarded to say that a company have a problem if they don't perform like Nintendo or EA.

Specially regarding a company that is the top grossing European one in their industry and one of the top grossing ones in the world.

How’s Ubi celebrating peasant numbers like this for a marquee franchise when you have games like Palworld selling 7m copies in a week?
Getting better numbers than 99% of the industry and being top 2 in their top selling IP isn't peasant numbers at all.

Palworld is a 1 in a 1000000 extremely rare exception of a one-hit-wonder that won the lottery. That comparision is almost as stupid as to say that Breath of the Wild is a failure because it didn't sell like Minecraft.
 
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Banjo64

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Getting better numbers than 99% of the industry and being top 2 in their top selling IP isn't peasant numbers at all.

Palworld is a 1 in a 1000000 extremely rare exception of a one-hit-wonder that won the lottery. That comparision is almost as stupid as to say that Breath of the Wild is a failure because it didn't sell like Minecraft.
yea nice try but Ubisoft have more funding and projection than 99.9% of the industry so let’s not make excuses for these middling numbers.
 

laynelane

Member
I’m just holding my tongue bc the industry also tried to palm up Veilguard as a success as well and when the actual numbers came out it was a different story.

Same. I figure it's best to wait for more data before drawing a conclusion on the success or failure of this game.
 

yurinka

Member
How much profit/loss has Ubisoft made on all that revenue in each of the last five years, and over that period in total?
With the exception of 2023 (they had the big restructuring cleaning the house there with some cancellations, closures plus important delays) pretty good results, to put these numbers into context they make around 2B€/year in revenue:

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calico

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With the exception of 2023 (they had the big restructuring cleaning the house there with some cancellations, closures plus important delays) pretty good results, to put these numbers into context they make around 2B€/year in revenue:

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So they lost about $270m on ~$10bn in revenue over 5 years? You're right, that's great.
 

Lethal01

Member
I mean....starting to sound like trolls talking about this game non-stop online backfired, they might have marketed this game for free for Ubisoft thinking they'd stop people from buying it or something.

I remember reading some comment where someone made a video about the "outrage" and someone was like "OH shit a new AC is coming out WITH SAMURAI" lol

So...maybe all publicity is good publicity. Let me remind folks, the fake outrage of Far Cry 5, the petitions, the wild amount of videos....resulted in that game becoming the best selling Far Cry in history.

So shit, maybe we need more threads of AC Shadows, more tweets and more videos, doesn't seem to be hurting Ubisoft at the moment as that algorithm is keeping the gaming community in the loop about this game lol .




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I think this game would have been better if it was as woke as people want to claim it is, would make the story not as generic and bland.
 
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A.Romero

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Woke games failing makes woke games less attractive to make and makes non-woke games comparatively more attractive to make. I don't think it's too complicated.
It seems to be complicated because investing works in many ways. For example, a lot of that investment might go to the types of games you don't like and that's OK. However, the impact of that investment also has indirect benefits like providing jobs to people that might do games that you do like in the future. Also, not everyone is investing in Ubisoft but they might be more inclined to invest in other gaming companies by seeing overall success.

Believe me, if the industry stops being attractive the overall output is reduced and if the games you don't like are the ones that are mildly popular, those might be the only games that are made.

Unfortunately in today's world people politicize everything and most of the ones that do are idiots and would laugh at their neighbors house burning down if they didn't agree with their point of view. Until of course it starts to happen to them and then they blame the neighbor for not putting out the fire sooner. You can't reason with individuals like that and they just want everyone but themselves to suffer even if at the end of the day it puts them in a worse position.
Yes, it's a shame :(

To be honest I quite enjoyed seeing Concord and Dragon Age Veilguard flop. The less garbage, the better.
That's fine, to each it's own but the impact in the overall industry might hit affect all regardless of taste.

"Justice is forged in the Shadows." lol


They are telling to you it's 2nd top grossing game on a series that sold over 180M copies and where have like way over half a dozen games that sold over 10 or 15M copies. It's only second against a game that sold more than 20M copies.

It isn't bad at all, it's performing very well.


If they would be in trouble Tencent wouldn't have announced today that invest another billion on them and their yearly revenue wouldn't look like this:
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I think I wrote that before reading about Tencent. But still, if they were doing great I don't know if they would need to have Tencent's investment.

Ubishit only makes garbage recycled games full of microtransactions. Besides that they force their aggressive political agenda in their games.

How does that help gaming at all? Maybe if it goes bankrupt it'll be a clear message that gamers don't want this trash.
It helps in several ways. For example, when investors look at opportunities they look at overall growth or maybe opportunity (like in installed base). It's more attractive to know there is opportunity for a 100 million installed base where a game could be sold than say 50 million. The more gamers there are the better for everyone.


No, not always. It depends on the game.

Games like Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3 doing well is great for everyone, as they set a high quality bar for the industry to follow, which will benefit players in the future because they'll get more of that.

Shit games with half-baked gameplay, full of MTX and with political agenda pushing doing well benefits who? Not me, that's for sure, because I don't want more games that play poorly and are full of MTX and political shit.
It's a numbers game: the more games are being created the better chance there are more games that suit your taste. You don't need to play games you don't like, but it's important that a variety exists so the industry doesn't stop growing and investment stops coming in or is greatly reduced. It's healthier for everyone (not only in gaming but it's a fact for any industry you might think of).
 

NickFire

Member
They pulled off a big win and deserve credit. Also can’t deny the thread about performance on pro has me thinking maybe I don’t need to wait for a sale. Sounds gorgeous.
 
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