MaestroMike
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Maybe South Park will make another James cameron episode
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Avatar 2 officially titled Avatar: The Way Of Water, releasing in NA on December 16
Pagusas
Elden Member
Is there an anime or anything for it?
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
There's a small OVA that covers about the same content as the first movie. It's currently comics only for the rest. It gets very dark. The whole first movie is just set up. Dark sci-fi action and cyborg grotesquery for the rest.
Pagusas
Elden Member
its crazy to me that something so popular hasn't even had a major anime series, given how much I hear about it and how loved it is.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Berserk also barely got past the first chunk of story before the real story starts.
I don't know if it's because of how dark it is. I heard the creator had some mental health issues for a while but I don't know much about his life or why the series never truly took off. The comics are well worth a read though. The art is so detailed. Almost on par with the Akira graphic novels. I read it years ago but I'm pretty dang confident it still holds up. I'll have to re-read it again sometime soon.
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octiny
Banned
Added another 70 million pushing it to 1.1B+.
deadline.com
deadline.com
‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Has Best Wednesday Of 2022 With $20.4M – Domestic Box Office
'Avatar: The Way Of Water' Sees Best Wednesday Of 2022: Box Office
deadline.com
‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Tops $810M Overseas On Way To $1.3B+ Global Through Sunday
James Cameron’s Avatar: The Way of Water continues to splash out at the global box office, reaching $1.169B through Thursday
deadline.com
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bitbydeath
Member
At the end of the day, you know you are just celebrating mediocrity no matter how well it performs. The “haters” were already proven right when everyone praised the graphics over the story.
JimmyRustler
Member
Calling a movie medicre because of it’s story alone is weird. There is much more to it. Many of my favourite movies ever have mediocre stories at best. It’s all about entertainment. Remember watching Avatar the first time and kinda being let down because of the story at first and then it just kinda klicked and I ended up watching it 5 times in cinema. A movie doesn’t need to have a complex story to be entertaining.
bitbydeath
Member
That’s why barely anyone re-watched / talked about the first one after it left the cinemas, there’s nothing to discuss when it’s only liked for its spectacle.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Avatar had record breaking Bluray sales.
The story matters but how a story is told matters as well.
If "spectacle" was so easy to do then all movies would do it and find the same success no? It obviously takes skill to get the spectacle right and entertain a large audience.
bitbydeath
Member
Where you going with them?
bitbydeath
Member
Sure, but it doesn’t make a good movie.
For a lot of people it does.
it clearly doesn’t. But how do you explain the earnings for such a shitty movie
bitbydeath
Member
Spectacle, as stated for what it’s praised for in the reviews.it clearly doesn’t. But how do you explain the earnings for such a shitty movie
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
There's a place for landmark effects films. Used to be common like Clash of the Titans. This is a landmark film for visuals.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Bonkers.
https://deadline.com/2010/05/19-7-million-avatar-blu-ray-dvds-sold-39876/
Something like 450 million in combined DVD and Blu-Ray sales. And I have no idea how up to date that info is.
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There goes the theory it was only the cinema spectacle! Best selling DVD of all time and best selling Bluray of all time!
Spectacle can help a movie but it won't keep people coming back! It has to resonate with the public.
MaestroMike
Gold Member
i'm going to pray every night before bed that avatar 2 will reach the $2 billion milestone until it actually does 
Chiggs
Gold Member
The new critique, courtesy of Deadline’s comments section is: “If Avatar 2 was released this past summer, it wouldn’t have done well.”
I don’t know where these people come from, but their back-pedaling is NFL-caliber. God bless these valiant idiots.
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JimmyRustler
Member
So why didn’t Pacific Rim or Godzilla vs. Kong do as good? You are not making sense.
bitbydeath
Member
Needs to be more colourful and 3D.
nush
Member
This morning I saw the first Avatar merch in China and I've not seen it for years. No bullshit. It was some new old stock of one of the helicopter things from the fist movie. Sitting there all scratched up surrounded by new toys. It wasn't in this toy department last month so somebody had been sitting on that dead stock for a long long time and it finally paid off, maybe.
JimmyRustler
Member
You were talking about spectacle though. And both of those were 3D.
bitbydeath
Member
Do you think the graphics are as good though?
JimmyRustler
Member
I acutally thought that at least Godzilla v.s Kong was much more of a spectacle than Avatar when I saw it. Yet it's boxoffice wasn't even close. Must be more to it.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Is there no other thread where you can do your trolling? It's getting really tiresome.
Ulysses 31
Member
Apparently the movie budget was around 460 million $ and the marketing 200-250 million $.
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HoodWinked
Member
I kinda wanna see it again now that it's been 2 weeks. Lol.
Aggelos
Member
Ya, but Cameron also shot Avatar 3 back-to-back with 2 (and part of 4). That also makes up for the overall bill. Also, post-production for Avatar 3 is well on its way (meaning that money is being spent on Avatar 3 as we speak)
Who's gonna pay for all that? Who's gonna foot the bill for that and garner trust among the stakeholders and producers of this whole Avatar Saga endeavor?
And the answer is -> How Avatar The Way of Water performs at the box office, that will be de deciding factor.
Avatar: Fire and Ash - Wikipedia
Chiggs
Gold Member
Thanks for posting this. I was getting tired of having to critique that argument because all you'd hear back was "BUT CAMERON SAID IT HIMSELF!" even though it's so obviously absurd.
To be fair, Cameron is his own worst enemy these days because he just runs his mouth without thinking.
Bob Iger...because he needs another holiday tentpole to go "year on, year off" with the new Star Wars trilogy...and the recent Marvel movies probably aren't doing a lot to inspire shareholders. Looking at you, Thor: Love and Thunder.
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Surely Avatar 3's release will pay for that? If the majority of production money has already been spent, Avatar 2's numbers would have to be pretty bad for Disney to think it's not worth releasing the 3rd movie.
SirKicksalot
Member
I hate people who want movies to be a vehicle for story above all else. It's contrary to the nature of the medium. Do they also like music based on how the sheet looks?
I believe it's a symptom of something missing deep inside their souls.
Ever notice how this is always about story as pure word content and never about storytelling? Or how they seek to outsmart the movie? Creepy.
I believe it's a symptom of something missing deep inside their souls.
Ever notice how this is always about story as pure word content and never about storytelling? Or how they seek to outsmart the movie? Creepy.
Chiggs
Gold Member
There are three categories of Avatar haters...and I don't mean people who just casually dislike it and then move on with their lives, I mean like some of the folks in this thread.
- Category 1: Mad at Cameron because he abandoned the Terminator franchise and R-rated films.
- I empathize with these people, and I also believe that, in a perfect world, True Lies should have been Terminator 3, which would have prevented that franchise from turning into the dank whorehouse it currently is.
- But, ultimately, Cameron is just going to do what he wants and no amount of rooting for him to fail is going to fix that.
- I empathize with these people, and I also believe that, in a perfect world, True Lies should have been Terminator 3, which would have prevented that franchise from turning into the dank whorehouse it currently is.
- Category 2: Completely dead inside.
- These people have achieved nothing in life, generally resent anything that is successful, and have very little to live for.
- They're also completely lacking in any sort of meaningful relationships, be it friends, family, or romantic.
- The intensity and consistency of lashing out at something they perceive to be stupid and basically "Ferngully Smurfs Fuck Pocahontas in the Year 2154" should tell you all you need to know about these sad SOBs.
- These people have achieved nothing in life, generally resent anything that is successful, and have very little to live for.
- Category 3:Trolls for LOLs.
- Should be pretty obvious what these folks are in it for...and if they can bring some laughs to a thread, I'm all for it.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
10th highest is Furious 7 at $1.5 billion. Top Gun is 11th at $1.4 billion.
Called it.
EDIT: i also read an article on the editing process and basically the movie is edited twice. Once when they edit together scenes from the mocap sessions with the best performances from actors. Then those scenes are sent to James Cameron who shoots them with a virtual camera doing framing and what not. Those are then sent to Weta Digital for CG work and then the editors finally edit the movie again.
Why thats important is that half of that work for Avatar 3 is already done. Scenes have been mocapped, pre-edited, James cameron has shot them with his virtual camera and hes already getting final shots back from his VFX studio. All thats left is editing and scoring along with CG work. I bet the budget for Avatar 3 is $150-200 million max.
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Chiggs
Gold Member
Worldwide Grosses Chart:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area=XWW
Just in case anyone wants to watch Avatar: TWoW move up the ranks.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area=XWW
Just in case anyone wants to watch Avatar: TWoW move up the ranks.
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Category 1 here. I suppose you're right he's going to do what he wants to do much to the dismay of some fans.There are three categories of Avatar haters...and I don't mean people who just casually dislike it and then move on with their lives, I mean like some of the folks in this thread.
- Category 1: Mad at Cameron because he abandoned the Terminator franchise and R-rated films.
- I empathize with these people, and I also believe that, in a perfect world, True Lies should have been Terminator 3, which would have prevented that franchise from turning into the dank whorehouse it currently is.
- But, ultimately, Cameron is just going to do what he wants and no amount of rooting for him to fail is going to fix that.
- Category 2: Completely dead inside.
- These people have achieved nothing in life, generally resent anything that is successful, and have very little to live for.
- They're also completely lacking in any sort of meaningful relationships, be it friends, family, or romantic.
- The intensity and consistency of lashing out at something they perceive to be stupid and basically "Ferngully Smurfs Fuck Pocahontas in the Year 2154" should tell you all you need to know about these sad SOBs.
- Category 3:Trolls for LOLs.
- Should be pretty obvious what these folks are in it for...and if they can bring some laughs to a thread, I'm all for it.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Deadline projecting 1.3 billion+ through Sunday.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-1-billlion-1235207219/
And don't forget that Monday is an observed holiday for lots of folks.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-1-billlion-1235207219/
And don't forget that Monday is an observed holiday for lots of folks.
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Robot Carnival
Member
I watched it in IMAX 3D the other day, and after watching it and remembering he also did Titanic, Abyss and that underwater documentary, I'm convinced that James Cameron has an ocean festish. as in he would get a hard on just thinking about the ocean, and he jizz himself whenever he goes swimming. nothing wrong with that mind you, just my speculation that's all.
as for the movie itself, I think I enjoyed it more than the first one, though that's not saying much in my case. I like how well the CGI is for both movies and that's about it. the story of the first one was pretty trash for me and I did not care about it at all. while the story for the sequel is slightly better, I still have plenty of issues with it, and it's still just something to watch the CGI for to me. I will say that at least it's an enjoyable 3 hours and that's all you can ask for in terms of blockbuster movies really.
indeed, both Alita (Gunnm) and Berserk remain somewhat of a cult hit due to the mature subjects these series dive into and the violence and gore that appear in them. hell, despite what's shown in the movie, just the original Alita manga series of has tons more to offer up to the point of the story where the movie ends. and there are so much more gore and stuff that the movie had cut out. it's simply not possible to make these into a movie for the general public without watering them down. but that would just destory what these stories are about, so I would rather that action doesn't happen.
as for the movie itself, I think I enjoyed it more than the first one, though that's not saying much in my case. I like how well the CGI is for both movies and that's about it. the story of the first one was pretty trash for me and I did not care about it at all. while the story for the sequel is slightly better, I still have plenty of issues with it, and it's still just something to watch the CGI for to me. I will say that at least it's an enjoyable 3 hours and that's all you can ask for in terms of blockbuster movies really.
Berserk also barely got past the first chunk of story before the real story starts.
I don't know if it's because of how dark it is. I heard the creator had some mental health issues for a while but I don't know much about his life or why the series never truly took off. The comics are well worth a read though. The art is so detailed. Almost on par with the Akira graphic novels. I read it years ago but I'm pretty dang confident it still holds up. I'll have to re-read it again sometime soon.
indeed, both Alita (Gunnm) and Berserk remain somewhat of a cult hit due to the mature subjects these series dive into and the violence and gore that appear in them. hell, despite what's shown in the movie, just the original Alita manga series of has tons more to offer up to the point of the story where the movie ends. and there are so much more gore and stuff that the movie had cut out. it's simply not possible to make these into a movie for the general public without watering them down. but that would just destory what these stories are about, so I would rather that action doesn't happen.
McCarth
Member
Well, just got back from seeing it and I don’t think I’m in the same boat as most here; that was tough to watch.
One question as I haven’t heard this complaint yet and it totally stuck out to me: what’s the deal with this film completely rendering the first pointless and obsolete?
One question as I haven’t heard this complaint yet and it totally stuck out to me: what’s the deal with this film completely rendering the first pointless and obsolete?
It's very obvious from the begining that it serves as a kind of sotf reboot of the story, but by the end, it also succedes in pushing the story forward, and this is kinda where the slight out-of-focus feel comes from, which has been pointed out by pretty much everyone, from day 1.
Imo, it's not a big deal honestly, buy i'd agree that if it were to be released just a few years after the first, a few narrative choices would have been different.. maybe.
Chiggs
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Salz01
Member
Though the movie was pretty good, and made the rest of the movies I’ve seen the past few years look like little kids made them. I think they need more human scenes though. Also think they need another human bad guy. The general and overall military just seem as an after thought. It’s like vendetta the movie with family themes in it.
3liteDragon
Member
This is insane, this weekend’s projected to be a +6% increase over last weekend’s domestic. Undisputed box office king, $2-2.3B’s doable for sure.Deadline projecting 1.3 billion+ through Sunday.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-1-billlion-1235207219/
And don't forget that Monday is an observed holiday for lots of folks.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Movie is doing better than it did last week. I guess the blizzard did impact last week's numbers, but to top your 2nd week in your third week is unheard of.
China box office up 40% from last week even though they played on 6k fewer screens. the lockdown impacted numbers there as well.
Japan is way down. $10 million compared to $34 million the first had made by the third week. They really got butthurt over whaling didnt they?
China box office up 40% from last week even though they played on 6k fewer screens. the lockdown impacted numbers there as well.
Japan is way down. $10 million compared to $34 million the first had made by the third week. They really got butthurt over whaling didnt they?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Totally. I forgot who mentioned it, but apparently Cameron had Kanji placed on the harpoon gun, plus the Asian woman in the sub.
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SirKicksalot
Member
The China increase is crazy, even more so than Italy.
They should probably look into delaying Titanic lol. It might affect Avatar's run like Alice did in 2010.
They should probably look into delaying Titanic lol. It might affect Avatar's run like Alice did in 2010.
ZehDon
Member
I can't remember the original Avatar's trajectory, but I think Titanic did that as well.
Chiggs
Gold Member
https://deadline.com/2023/01/avatar-the-way-of-water-box-office-new-years-2023-1235208802/
A 1.37 billion haul would move Avatar: The Way of Water into the 15th highest grossing movie of all time, beating out Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, and put it just shy of Black Panther, which it could best by end of day Monday.
Now, the question becomes...how high can this film go?
A 1.37 billion haul would move Avatar: The Way of Water into the 15th highest grossing movie of all time, beating out Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, and put it just shy of Black Panther, which it could best by end of day Monday.
Now, the question becomes...how high can this film go?
- I personally think 1.7 or 1.8 billion is where it lands, making it the #7 grossing movie of all time.
- Not bad for a sequel that's over a decade late and allegedly has no cultural footprint.
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