Better Call Saul S4 — |OT| — A Show About Brothers

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Jimmy's gone dark side since his brother screwed with his mind and then burned his house, and himself, down.

The Chicken Brothers laid the smack down on Nacho, then told Nacho, "You are mine!"

The twins find Nacho, then shoot Nacho some more.

I can't get enough of this. What's your favorite scene so far?
 
I'm loving the new season, as usual, but damn I wish I had waited until it was over so I could binge it. There's just not enough meat for a full week of waiting.
 
The latest episode was great. They dragged on the Jimmy/Chuck thing for 1-2 seasons too long though.

This season feels more like what the show should be about, less filler and more story.
 
I picked up on a Breaking Bad reference when the salesman ordered a pizza. He was on the phone with them and said something like, "Yes I'll have it cut."

It's a reference to the pizza Walt threw on top of his roof that fans made fun of because it was a whole pizza that wasn't cut. Jesse's friend later remarked when they got the same pizza that the pizza place saves money by not cutting it and passes the savings onto the customers. It was a bit of an inside joke with the fans and the show that they brought back in Saul.
 
I dropped this mid way through season 2, is this a The Wire type situation where season 2 is the weakest?

It has been a slow burn (much like Breaking Bad) but it is starting to pick up now. I would recommend waiting for all the episodes of this season to be out then have a binge.
 
The thing we all know is coming, the thing I dread the most, is that something happens that drives Kim Wexler away, and when that happens I'm going to be crushed.

Yeah, I'm guessing that is the final straw for Jimmy. The moment he becomes Saul Goodman.

I hope they don't stop the show there though. When we meet him in BB he is practically a celebrity, not someone who just started, hopefully they focus a lot of time of those years.
 
This is the best show currently ongoing.
Everything is top notch.
Too bad Mike is way too old now. He's an amazing actor, but he clearly can't take it anymore.
 
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Yeah im one of those guys

I love the wire but season 2 i usually skip on rewatches
Yeah... idk what to say but a lot of people agree with you. It's my favorite season and one which I feel has the most sympathetic character, even though he's an idiot. Ziggy

Youre a sobotka...
Fucked is what I am!
 
I'm loving this show, its quality is top notch

I didn't really feel Season 1, but the following seasons were great

The only thing that botters me is that we are obviously getting to the end of the show (don't really think that they'll do more than 5 seasons) and we still haven't seen Saul at his best (you know, criminal lawyer), and I was really hoping to see at least a whole season during BB's timeline + post BB
 
I assumed that this current con would be what did Kim in. I assumed she'd get disbarred and it would be the reason she and Jimmy broke up.

But that ending made me think it's gonna get way darker. I didn't know who "Lalo" was so I looked it up. When Walt and Jesse drive Saul out into the desert and threaten his life Saul assumes it's Nacho and asks if they're doing this for Lalo.

Obviously, Saul gets into some kind of cartel business and thought they were going to kill him. So now I'm assuming that he gets Kim wrapped up in it somehow. Maybe she even has to use the disappearing vacuum salesman with the Hoovers.
 
Things definitely didn't go the way I imagined with the storyline that's for sure. I'm not necessarily keen on the route they're sending Kim here.
 
I loved the ending. Kim finally sees what a sociopath Jimmy is. But they also still kept it as somewhat of a grey area by showing the scholarship process earlier in. Jimmy was absolutely convinced that they were the enemy to him for the rest of his life no matter what he did right, so he might as well cut corners and claw his way out of it too.

So you can see why he went so over the top, but at the same time, he's still a guy who never mourned the loss of his brother, and a year later, when it looks like he's finally breaking down over it, it was all an act to use the brother's death to get what he wants. Kim looked sickened by him.
 
Felt like they tied a lot off that seemed to be coming so no real shockers or anything like the end of season 3. But still a very enjoyable season of characters changing.
 
Such a good show but I feel it is a bit weaker than Season 3, but also sort of helplessly because has the bridge between BCS and BB becomes shorter and shorter, it will unavoidable lose some of the earlier characters or plots that made the first 3 seasons so good. In particular, I miss Charles and Howard. And other than a few earlier scenes, the lack of Nacho has also been missed. Mostly because I've mostly felt Nacho's drama is somewhat believable in the context of BB (e.g. even the appearance of Krazy-8 as a meek underling), whereas the new Gus and Mike drama feels some manufactured -- few times I felt things were, one, become a little too grandiose considering the scale of such things in BB (feeding the mythology of Gus a little too much), and, two, a little manufactured, as if afterwards I kept puzzling over whether or not the actions were even believable.

All that said, I'm of the opinion that BCS is still superior to BB, maybe not always in terms of acting (e.g. Walter certainly is on the same level as anything anywhere) but in terms of overall plot, theme, even presumption -- BB often tried too hard, I felt, believed it's own hype. BCS is really wonderfully grounded in that regard. And, even more broadly, the more I re-watch BB but also drama like The Sopranos, the more I feel I always overrated BB except for the acting. I really appreciate The Sopranos more every time I watch it, but for the same reason I really think BCS is the superior overall drama.

In some ways, maybe Vince Gilligan is somewhat liberated in BCS... BB became so big that there was this likely captive direction it had to taken on to constantly hype the mythology of Heisenberg, more than it likely deserved considering how often shit was actually a mess. With Jimmy/Saul, and also less hype toward BCS in general, I think maybe his vision with the directors has been liberated a bit, and they're able to 'check their own bullshit' a little more often. BCS reminds me most maybe of the original pilot, maybe much of season one, and being able to keep it a little more humble and vulnerable the entire ride.

Just my two cents haha I still love both either way. And I don't do much other than watch organized crime drama or narco novelas lol ain't not broadly informed critic by any stretch and biased to the genre.
 
I think season 4 has been the weakest so far, but damn, that ending with Jimmys speech and his descent to Saul Goodman was fucking good. It went full circle with episode 1 and practically redeemed all my negative feelings for the season and put the hype for season 5 in to full motion. And Kims disgusted look for what she felt was a genuine and touching moment from her boyfriend, wow, shit is gonna get real sour real soon. I bet 99% of all viewers most asked question is: What happens to Kim Wexler? Also pleased with Vince & co at introducing Lalo as a main villain, I felt the show was sorely lacking in that department. Can´t wait to see what Vince and his crew is cooking up for season 5. Stoked!
 
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Probably the only groan-worthy moment of the entire series was when Lalo leapt up into the ceiling to go in and kill the worker....

The way the music played, and the Batman disappearing act, and the realization that he leaped up into the ceiling was just a real immersion killer.
 
robably the only groan-worthy moment of the entire series was when Lalo leapt up into the ceiling to go in and kill the worker....

Yeah, I wasn´t particularly impressed with that either. He could´ve just jumped behind the desk and kill him quickly, would´ve been more believable. But I guess they wanted to show the audience what he is capable of now that he´s gonna go up against Gus and Mike.
 
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I thought it was a pretty decent season finale. I wasn't entirely sold on the Werner plotline, but it is what it is and it sets up nicely Lalo as the antagonist to Mike and Gus given he now has some sense that he is onto something with the two of them. I do wonder whether we'll see the rest of the Germans next season or whether Gus will dispatch them and just get in a new crew to finish the work.

Thank fuck they finally got to Saul Goodman. I guess now Jimmy has finally reached his final form we might begin to see some reunification between Saul and Mike in terms of crossover. Mikes on too big of a retainer with Gus that it never made sense for him to moonlight with Jimmy, but I guess there are options to explore in that going forward now Saul is in full effect.

I did particularly like it that the thing that broke him was where having made a good case for the former pickpocket scholarship to be given another chance HHM still turned her down, and albeit I suspect Jimmy's speech was likely lost on her, I actually thought it was a case of Jimmy at his most honest.

Also loved it how at the end Kim suddenly realised that she was as much a gullible mark as the appeals judges when Jimmy was in full effect. Curious to see how they are going to play her and Jimmy's relationship going forward or whether they'll do a time jump and we'll just experience the fallout.
 
I liked this season but then I'm pretty much a Mike mark at this point (still think that monolog "I broke my boy" should have been nominated for an Emmy).
I'm not convinced that Kim would actually devolve into a scam artist, certainly there always felt like some sense of correctness with her character that wouldn't have her cross such lines with Huell. Personally I think they should have had an episode with Jimmy explaining to her his final discussion with Chuck, to reinforce why in the end Chuck is of no consequence to Jimmy.
Certainly I would expect a real person in that sort of relationship to have that discussion, but maybe that's how they'll play off their breakup. If so that will feel pretty weak to me.

Still BCS is still one of the best shows on TV now.
 
Was a pretty good season overall (probably their best to date) and they've set the next season up to be what I (and I'm sure most) have been really waiting for. They didn't really do well with Nacho this season though, it started with a lot of him at the beginning and then he kind of just vanished for the last half which was a bit disappointing. I like Mike but I'd rather they focus on him less since we already know his outcome :(
 
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Yeah, I wasn´t particularly impressed with that either. He could´ve just jumped behind the desk and kill him quickly, would´ve been more believable. But I guess they wanted to show the audience what he is capable of now that he´s gonna go up against Gus and Mike.

How he could he have jumped behind the desk? The guy was standing behind bullet proof glass, that's why he went into the ceiling. It was the only way in.
 
How he could he have jumped behind the desk? The guy was standing behind bullet proof glass, that's why he went into the ceiling. It was the only way in.

What? I never noticed it was glass between them. It looked just like a ordinary desk. Then the ceiling trick does make more sense, even it was pretty unbelievable. Gotta fix my glasses.
 
What? I never noticed it was glass between them. It looked just like a ordinary desk. Then the ceiling trick does make more sense, even it was pretty unbelievable. Gotta fix my glasses.

Yeah he was standing behind glass. It was pretty unbelievable but I think they want to build the new guy up as much as possible.
 
http://en.businesstimes.cn/articles...uck-mcgill-might-return.htm#.XG4C-JS3BY8.link

It expected that the forthcoming Better Call Saul Season 5 would pick up where the fourth installment left off. Aside from Jimmy living his life as Saul, the upcoming new season is also rumored to reveal the fate of the romance between Jimmy and Kim Wexler (Rhea Seehorn). It can be recalled that the lovebirds' relationship did not end well in the Season 4 finale.

It was also in the fourth installment when Kim, finally, had a chance to face Saul. Rhea Seehorn's character realized that she might have been dealing with a sociopath. Speculations are rife that Better Call Saul Season 5 will unveil the occurrences after Jimmy and Kim's infamous split.

INTERESTING. Saul IS a sociopath. He casually suggested to his client Walt to use murder as a means to solve legal issues. Once for Badger and once again for Hank.

I like where this is going. I hope that there is a season 6, and that the entirety of season 6 is a 'Gene' season. I have this bizarre scenario in my head where the final moments of the show come down to a SWAT team surrounding Gene's house and Gene is ready with a machine gun.
 
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I actually hope season 5 is last because things are falling into pieces and the show finally connects with BB. That should be the last episode. I dont want them to drag the show on endlessly.
 
I actually hope season 5 is last because things are falling into pieces and the show finally connects with BB. That should be the last episode. I dont want them to drag the show on endlessly.
That wouldn't be enough for me at all lol. It would bridge the shows together. There is still the Gene story which very seemingly is the last chapter of Saul's story.

Don't you wanna know where Genes story goes? The black/white scenes seem to be a prelude for the last chapter in Jimmy's story. It would be a shame if it turns out to be a one or two episode thing. A full season of a final Gene chapter could have plenty to say. It would be a fantastic conclusion character study of a man whose entire life we've already learned about.
 
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They said that Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad should be the same length so roughly 60 episodes. So we might get 2 more season. Or one long season.
They should definitely hurry up because Mike's getting too old for this shit.
 
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