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Can Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart on PC match - and exceed - the PS5 experience?
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bender
What time is it?
No, I actually read the entire quote you provided instead of selecting a portion of the quote to bolster a flawed narrative.
lmimmfn
Member
I doubt this, those cards shouldn't reach the maximum bandwidth of PCIE 3 x16.
I could be wrong though I'll admit it as havn't checked max mem bw on PCIE 3 x16 vs the different nvidia 30 series cards as I lost interest as you couldn't get one due to miners.
Just checked this and its the 3080 that is tested(capable of much higher bandwidth than a 3070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/25.html
I call BS on that twitter tweet.
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And yet he said you can't run the game on old hardware(HDD) period and never said you could but it would load slower, lol. I think it's you who added interpretation to fit your narrative.
bender
What time is it?
Link?
sendit
Member
Max settings is vague. What are your PC specs so I can judge?
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Your must have been missing in 2020 cause this was all over internet, but here it is:
"Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is a game that utilises dimensions and dimensional rifts, and that would not have been possible without the solid state drive of the PlayStation 5," explains Smith.
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart's Dimensional Rifts Only Possible With PS5's SSD | PlayStationTrophies.org
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart's gameplay reveal was stunning, wasn't it? Especially impressive was seeing the dynamic duo j...www.playstationtrophies.org
They also doubled down on that rhetoric on social media and other quotes prior to release.
He was clearly talking about near-instantaneous speeds, not that it couldn't run on other hardware.
When people in the real world say, "I couldn't do this without you" they're not saying they're the only ones in the world that could help them.
The dev is saying they couldn't do near-instantaneous speed without the SSD. They never said it wasn't possible only on the PS5. That's just a false narrative you're trying to push.
But if you still want to stick to this narrative, then you could easily say this was before DirectStorage was even a factor on PC, even before the 3000 and 4000 series NVIDA GPUs with tons of video memory.
If using this hardware proves they're liars, then that would make Microsoft liars when they called Xbox Series X the most powerful console in the world when the PlayStation 5 Pro comes out.
It's in the same article, lol. He said the game mechanics can only run on SSD, which is indirectly saying it wouldn't run on HDDs.
It's funny to me how you claim that it's the "PS fanboys" who interpreted those worlds to mean that the game would only run on PS5 SSD when in 2020 everyone understood those words to mean exactly that. Not that it would run exclusively on PS5 SSD, but that the game would only work on SSD. This was the consensus back then and everyone's interpretation of those words, but now in 2023 when the game comes out and works on HDDs people are trying to put "context" to those words, lol. I remember DF, NX Gamer and everyone claiming that the game wouldn't run on HDD and that's how everyone understood what Insomniac said.
Look, you can try to interpret things differently now in hindsight if you wish, but that won't change how things went down back when the whole debacle was taking place.
So instead of assuming stuff, lets get some data. Using the BulkLoadDemo i got:
NO GPU:
8.68gb Data in 0.68 seconds
6.22% CPU
12.84GB/S
WITH GPU
8.63gb Data in 0.50 seconds
1.85% CPU
21.62GB/S
That should be enough for this game, no?
SAUCE:
github.com
COMPILED SAUCE:
1.2 WITH GPU:
1.1 WITHOUT GPU DECOMPRESSION:
forums.guru3d.com
NO GPU:
8.68gb Data in 0.68 seconds
6.22% CPU
12.84GB/S
WITH GPU
8.63gb Data in 0.50 seconds
1.85% CPU
21.62GB/S
That should be enough for this game, no?
SAUCE:
DirectStorage/Samples/BulkLoadDemo/README.md at main · microsoft/DirectStorage
DirectStorage for Windows is an API that allows game developers to unlock the full potential of high speed NVMe drives for loading game assets. - microsoft/DirectStorage
github.com
COMPILED SAUCE:
1.2 WITH GPU:
1.1 WITHOUT GPU DECOMPRESSION:
DirectStorage 1.1 benchmark
DirectStorage Demo 1.1 with GPU Decompression This is a compiled version of Microsoft's Bulk Load Demo. Download it and see what your system can do....
forums.guru3d.com
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Optimus Lime
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I imagine that the number of PCMR neverconsole weirdos is actually quite small, and most people who want to play Ratchet have bought it on the PS5. I know that I'm not going to double dip on something like that when I can just hit the button on the remote and be playing it there.
Your must have been missing in 2020 cause this was all over internet, but here it is:
"Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is a game that utilises dimensions and dimensional rifts, and that would not have been possible without the solid state drive of the PlayStation 5," explains Smith.
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart's Dimensional Rifts Only Possible With PS5's SSD | PlayStationTrophies.org
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart's gameplay reveal was stunning, wasn't it? Especially impressive was seeing the dynamic duo j...
They also doubled down on that rhetoric on social media and other quotes prior to release.
Why not watch the video where the quote is taken from and watch where he says what they wanted to create would not have been done on previous gen (basically naming PS4). People are taking the quote of the article and making their own spin when in reality watching the video is where you get the whole context of him talking about the PS4 and PS5 and not anything else.
bender
What time is it?
No he didn't. For someone who like to throw out accusation of lies, you sure do lie a lot. The alternative is you have really poor reading comprehension.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Alright, so this game is fascinating in terms of what it does. Some really strong texture streaming that stresses the 4090 even. Although I'd wager, the slowdowns aren't caused by the card itself but another part of the PC I/O pipeline which isn't all that efficient and hasn't changed since forever. I think Alex from DF also theorized back then that moving to PCIE Gen 5 wouldn't make a difference.
I'm also assuming texture quality on PS5 is always set to the highest no matter what. I really wish more developers pushed entire systems like R&C does. I don't wanna get ahead of myself, but it looks like a technological marvel.
I'm also assuming texture quality on PS5 is always set to the highest no matter what. I really wish more developers pushed entire systems like R&C does. I don't wanna get ahead of myself, but it looks like a technological marvel.
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bender
What time is it?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This game flopping seems more important than running it off a zip drive IMO. It’s not even in the top 100 most played games on launch day.
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TheRedRiders
Member
You're saying the bottleneck is in the I/O pipeline on the software side, but wasn't DirectStorage meant to address that exact problem?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Depends what the expectations were. It's a 2-year old mascot platformer/shooter. Not much of an audience for these games anymore.This game flopping seems more important than running it off a zip drive IMO. It’s not even in the top 100 most played games on launch day.
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Might end up selling 200-300K copies which could be enough for Sony.
At least part of it but this entirely depends where the bottleneck lies. In the GPU decompression test of DirectStorage 1.3, some drives blow past 30GB/s but in the game, people report R/W speeds no higher than 1.2GB/s. Also, this is me just speculating based on the data I have. I could be completely off the mark.
twilo99
Member
This game flopping seems more important than running it off a zip drive IMO. It’s not even in the top 100 most played games on launch day.
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CSGO just marching on... incredible
lmimmfn
Member
To illustrate his point that there's a massive difference between a 3070 running on PCIE4 vs 3( there isn't) he's illustrating the difference between a GPU on PCIE2(which is PCIE3 x8) vs PCIE3(x16).
He makes no sense.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
How about 17 year old TF2 with more players than GTA, CoD, Destiny, and Apex? Defies logic
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Hopefully Sony gets the memo.This game flopping seems more important than running it off a zip drive IMO. It’s not even in the top 100 most played games on launch day.
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Buggy Loop
Member
To be honest, I'm really interested in Ratchet and Clank but i'm already deeeeeep in backlog and crazy months coming up with BG3, AC6 & Starfield. On top of that i bought Days Gone, Spiderman remastered and Returnal and i barely scratched Returnal and haven't even installed the others.
I don't have enough time
I don't have enough time
If they bring Bloodborne, i would be there day 0 and MARATHON it
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
As in everything as high as it can go. I only turn off raytracing. It seems you’re already judging plenty.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
No, he's comparing the performance profile of PCIE boards and using MM game and 3070 as the independent dependent variables. He's trying to extrapolate to get to an educated guess for impact on Ratchet since he doesn't have Gen4 board
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I know you’re very upset about PC ports but more are coming obviously
lmimmfn
Member
But he said there's a huge difference in PCIE4 with a 3070 vs PCIE3 which is not the case and how can he say that if he doesn't have a Gen4 mobo?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Yeah that it’s number 6 on the most popular game bought at the moment….you are salty
ChiefDada
Gold Member
No, he didn't. He said they will LIKELY see a difference because he noticed the saturation difference between Gen2 and Gen3 for the same game. He then compared the limited difference of MM between Gen2 and Gen 3.
Hoddi
Member
I'm pretty sure the guy is just wrong and running out VRAM from having RT enabled. The smoking bullet is that he's using Medium settings which barely streams any data from disk.
I already ran some tests comparing disk reads during the intro sequence and here's how they stack up.
PS5: ~16GB
PC Very High: ~19GB
PC High: ~5GB
PC Medium: ~1.8GB
I'm running the game on Very High settings without RT and it barely makes a blip on the bus load. He's running on Medium settings with RT and it's completely thrashing his bus. Both of us are on PCIe 3.0 so it's clearly not because of DirectStorage when my game is pushing 10x more disk data through.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
But his GPU remains at full utilization.
Its why i dont think they will patch or fix this.This game flopping seems more important than running it off a zip drive IMO. It’s not even in the top 100 most played games on launch day.
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Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Running everything on Ultra(that you can run) with DLSS Quality. While streaming on Twitch at 1080p/60fps. Rock solid 60 fps at 4k.
My machine doing what it was intended to do. Also, I just want to say this game is fucking silly-fun! I like the humor and the overall aesthetic. It's refreshing.
I don't have RT on in any capacity, btw. I would if I had an 4090.
My machine doing what it was intended to do. Also, I just want to say this game is fucking silly-fun! I like the humor and the overall aesthetic. It's refreshing.
I don't have RT on in any capacity, btw. I would if I had an 4090.
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AutumnLeaves
Member
Look good but played like a slideshow compared to my pc
I don't think I've heard a more asinine statement today...or this week actually.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I had zero loading and everything was/has been seamless. I would say identical to PS5.Look good but played like a slideshow compared to my pc
That... it is cost effective to port their successful games to PC for more profit?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
The ends aren't justifying the means.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
That's not good for a new title.
Especially one with much press right now.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I thought it was an epic exclusive when I checked steam…
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Limited hand me downs that trickle down at a snails pace.
The lack of success in comparison to the console versions should lesson this.
Only note worthy money made was from Destiny 2 on PC....
Hoddi
Member
Look at his power usage. The 3070 is a 220w card but it's only using 120-150w in his screenshots. That strongly suggests that it's underutilized.
'GPU utilization' is just a measure of work scheduled by Windows and doesn't really say anything about how busy the physical chip is. Encoding a video with NVENC will show the GPU being fully utilized, for example, but it only uses a tiny part of the chip. For all we know, it's just Windows issuing copy commands because he's running out of VRAM.
Hard to say obviously. But I really doubt it's anything else since my own PCIe load is nothing remotely like his in this game.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Ok perhaps. I appreciate you providing stats as always.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Larxia
Member
I don't find it very surprising, it's a very short game, sold at full price, 2 years after its console release. It will sell better during sales but right now it's too much for what it is I think.This game flopping seems more important than running it off a zip drive IMO. It’s not even in the top 100 most played games on launch day.
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It was the same for Uncharted for example, all time peak 10k, Ratchet is at 8,7k, that's just slightly lower.
twilo99
Member
True..even more impressive. I've never played it, maybe 17 years later, the time has come...
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I think they are/will. This was never a huge system seller to begin with. I am just happy they are successful enough to warrant sequels. These games are surprisingly fun and game-play heavy. Something that is missing in a lot of the triple A releases that are like visual bimbos without the substance(gameplay).
This game is a complete package. I was missing out, but being patient has paid off.
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